Redoing the Original Matrix 98C
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Topic: Redoing the Original Matrix 98C
Posted By: karll
Subject: Redoing the Original Matrix 98C
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 3:30pm
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Original Matrix'd E98. Bought this from PCF awhile back. You all know the story behind it. Starting to repair the grip frames. Tried using alumaloy but it kept spallin off. Plus, the torch was melting the grip panels. Switched to JB Weld. Added some metal as filler to help strengthen it. It's looking good so far. One joint is set and I am filling in where other larger pieces have been cut out. Pics. First patch. Just trying to make it into one piece again.  Area where I replaced metal.  Sheet metal filler.  Epoxy setting.  You all may frown on using JB weld for something like this, but it's really the only thing that is going to work. Once it sets it will be plenty hard and should work just as well as anything. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist." 
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Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 3:38pm
| Cool, but is all the paint flaking off like that? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 3:40pm
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No. I sanded that off to start with. When using a torch to melt the alumaloy it scorches the paint. I just took it off beforehand so I wouldn't have to deal with it. The whole grip frame will be stripped and repainted. Everything else stays the same.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 3:46pm
| But what about the sigs? |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 5:26pm
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good luck with that. It always bothered me that it was so beat. ------------- 
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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 6:27pm
| Is there really a whole lot of custom milling and stuff done to the original halves? If not, or if you could also do that, I don't see why you might as well go and buy two new halves and put all the internals in them. But that could "ruin" the original matrix'd E98 so I can see why you wouldn't want to. |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 9:33pm
All of the sigs are on the sides and top of the body. There are safe and unsanded, although some of them are starting to fade. There is a lot of millwork done to the inside of the grip frames. Even if there wasn't, I still wouldn't want to swap out internals. Rebuilding it because of what it is. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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QcXf wrote:Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 9:49pm
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Karl, let me know how it goes. I've got a guy here that wants to throw a matrix board in an e-bolt that he's got coming. I'll need you and bruce to lend me your expertise! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 10:15pm
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Is he looking to use a Gen E matrix board or something like a DM4/5/C?
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 10:19pm
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Nice work so far. Do keep us updated. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 10:23pm
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DM LCD He's currently using a worr-blade board I think ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 10:30pm
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I was talking with the original maker and he said he might have the original machine paths he used to mill the marker. Should I see if I can get them? ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:19am
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If I were you, I would probably keep the reciever halves as is, and make an exact copy using the internals but with new recievers.
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:35am
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I have thought that over many times. I came to the conclusion that I would rather repair the grip frames, put in a new board and noid, and leave everything else as is. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 9:27pm
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if you fix it, i will have more respect for you. good luck. keep us posted. ------------- X |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:17pm
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JB weld is about the only thing you can use. It kinda sucks, I know. But if you use it right, you can sand it real nice. Noone will even know after a good paintjob. |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:37pm
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I am on the filing part right now. It sucks. I wish I had a DA sander. That would make this project a lot faster. I am probably going to add a coat of JB weld to the entire outsid of the grip panel. That way I can achieve a uniform surface and add strength.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:59pm
| nice, it's good to see someone fixing it up instead of just staring at it sitting on my shelf |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 11:03pm
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Little more work done. Nothing major. Slowly but surely. Little sanding/filing/dremeling.  Messing with some paint that didn't stick well at all. Just trying to get a feel of what it will look like in the end.  ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:15pm
| What kind of grips you going to put back on it? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:35pm
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I was talking to a guy about buying some lcd sticky grips, but he never contacted me back. So right now, I don't know. These are for the Matrix LCD, but I don't believe they will work will they...  ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:42pm
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Sure won't. Tippies use .45 grips. However, if you get Stickies, they will have an unsightly "tail." You can leave it or cut it off as you please. Edit: Wait, was it drilled for LCD grips? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:52pm
Don't believe so. I don't think it would be to hard to do though. I remember there being grips in the video, but they looked all hacked up. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 7:12am
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Doesnt look to bad at all. JB Weld did a decent job. Have you though about panel grips at all? ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 1:10am
BALLS ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 2:09am
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oh man, that totally sucks.
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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 2:14am
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jb weld and fiberglass bondo kinda work but are brittle when really thin. try useing "loctite"...the stuff is like metal when it dry's, put one pice of metal on one side and glue it on, metal has to be thin so it wont make it thick looking. ------------- 
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 2:33am
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Hmm...loctite.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: weekendballer
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 3:04pm
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green loctite
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 3:49pm
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Never heard of it. Anybody know about the number coding for loctite? Lower the number the stronger? Or higher the stronger? Green loctite is 290. Red 270 sounds like it might be stronger. I still don't know if this is even a viable option. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:29pm
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If there were no signatures I would say fix the stupid thing and make it look pretty. OH! I KNOW! Fix everything, sand it all down, re paint it, get them to sign it again with their phone numbers in case it gets wrecked again! -------------
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Posted By: PaulJ69
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:37pm
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blue is 242 so im guessing green is stronger
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 5:14pm
If only it were that easy. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 7:32pm
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guerrilla glue should work.
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 7:37pm
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Definitely not using gorilla glue. That was the last thing that was on here. Looks terrible.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 7:54pm
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Plus, gorilla bonds wood well, but plastic and metal.... not so good. Karll, try this, get two thin-but-sturdy support struts. Green loc-tite the grip together and clamp the bastard and let it cure for 72 hours unmoved. (Green, btw, is permanent and gap-seeking, it's made to slide into things that are already put together) Then, once it is set, brace the frame from the INSIDE with those thin-yet-strong rods/struts using a bead of JB-weld down the length of them so that you have full-contact against the frame all the way down. They don't need to be super long, just long enough to lend support to the frame. Good luck! Oh, and did you try that solenoid hold-off thing yet for debounce? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 8:03pm
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What do you suggest for said supports? Out of air, so debounce has to wait. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: mamasboi
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 9:15pm
| well sounds like you have a lot of work but i really dont know the story behind this marker. if you dont mind could u tell. |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 1:06am
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One of the very first, if not the first Matrix'd E98. Milled and assembled by TE back in the day. Has traded hands several times and gotten pretty beat up on the way. Now I am trying to restore and I'm failing miserably. It also has signatures from team members of Lockout, TE, and some other team that slips my mind at the moment.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 12:22pm
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Honestly, just some good old flat aircraft-grade aluminum strips. Either that or some stainless steel strips or rods. I'll see if I can't punch something up for you. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 12:56pm
hey... it's all i had... |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 7:39pm
Ah, I didn't realize that was your doing. It took my so long to get all that crap off. No worries. It's in a better place now,  .
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 7:40pm
Double post because I am lazy. All I have is sheet metal roof flashing. I will pay if you can come up with something better. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 3:20am
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=set21101fb6.jpg"> http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=set21102gg5.jpg"> Mmm, fiberglass. Some chop mat and resin go a long way. Not much now, but it's a start. And boy oh boy is it strong. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 12:07pm
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 1:25pm
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I didn't think of fiberglass, probably better than the aluminum strips due to the load-sharing qualities. Nice thinking! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |