Suggest the PSC US-5

PSC US-5: 120.00
20oz CO2: 15.00
VL Revolution: 40.00-50.00/ Evolution II: 60.00

right around your friends price range, and if he wants to upgrade it to an electro sear trigger frame, unlike the tippmanns its a 70 dollar clip that slides into the grip.

I would tell him to get the 98 for sure. IMO It is a far better marker.

Tell him to go with the 98 and if he wants to fire at a fast rate to get the e trigger up grade for it ya ita a hundred bucks but its worth the money and the gun take's a lot of abuse for sure i play woods ball and i have dove in to the dirt with it and it's still shooting around 18 bps on target.

fsbcutter wrote: Tell him to go with the 98 and if he wants to fire at a fast rate to get the e trigger up grade for it ya ita a hundred bucks but its worth the money and the gun take's a lot of abuse for sure i play woods ball and i have dove in to the dirt with it and it's still shooting around 18 bps on target.

Now I go on to fight against the ignorant in the mechanical vs electro flame war...

tallen702 wrote: Black_Shadow wrote: in woodsballmech > electro Put down the crack pipe and back away slowly.... Seriously, I applaud your desire to help out, but that statement just makes you looks entirely foolish. How can you even attempt to justify a blanket statement that says a mechanical marker is superior to an electro-mechanical or electro-pneumatic marker? Seriously, how? Tell you what, I hate to derail this thread and start the potential for a flame war, but let's meet up sometime and go at it in the woods. I'll bring my DMLCD and you can bring ANY mechanical marker there is, and we'll see who comes out on top. I won't even be using the top electropneumatic marker out there and I'll still take you to town based on fire-power alone! There is far less to go wrong with an electropneumatical marker, far less maintenance, and usually, a lot better consistency. Electro sear-trippers (such as the VL he's looking at) are just as reliable as well. 90% of all issues with Electro-markers are user-related. If you get someone who knows what they're doing to set it up, and then you don't go screwing around with it, you'll have flawless operation with minimal maintenance. I just pull my bolt every 10,000 shots and throw a new battery in every 6,000 or so and that's it! Try getting even the most advanced mechanical to be that easy, go ahead, try!

I digress, and will give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not mean a high ROF is bad, since it is obviously good, given the fact that it increases the possibility of eliminating another player; but rather shots in general should not be wasted. In which its not the number of shots fired, or the gun being used that must be brought into question, it is the utilization of said shots.

People that try to shoot across the field at players they cannot reach fall into this category (or worse yet at trees and structures). Since they are wasting paintballs without increasing the chances of an elimination (the chance of an elimination are zero), this is negative.

in general a high ROF is preferable, but knowing how to use your marker, and the range as well as accuracy of a paintball marker (in general) are needed.

Commander_Cool wrote: tallen702 wrote: Black_Shadow wrote: in woodsballmech > electro Put down the crack pipe and back away slowly.... Seriously, I applaud your desire to help out, but that statement just makes you looks entirely foolish. How can you even attempt to justify a blanket statement that says a mechanical marker is superior to an electro-mechanical or electro-pneumatic marker? Seriously, how? Tell you what, I hate to derail this thread and start the potential for a flame war, but let's meet up sometime and go at it in the woods. I'll bring my DMLCD and you can bring ANY mechanical marker there is, and we'll see who comes out on top. I won't even be using the top electropneumatic marker out there and I'll still take you to town based on fire-power alone! There is far less to go wrong with an electropneumatical marker, far less maintenance, and usually, a lot better consistency. Electro sear-trippers (such as the VL he's looking at) are just as reliable as well. 90% of all issues with Electro-markers are user-related. If you get someone who knows what they're doing to set it up, and then you don't go screwing around with it, you'll have flawless operation with minimal maintenance. I just pull my bolt every 10,000 shots and throw a new battery in every 6,000 or so and that's it! Try getting even the most advanced mechanical to be that easy, go ahead, try! I agree with Tallen, there is nothing wrong with having an electro of any sort used in woodsball, its in actuality beneficial since you are able to lay down additional fire. Electro guns aren't any worse at handling conditions in the woods than mechanical guns. For some odd reason people who play in the woods think that since they play in the woods they need a big, bulky, rugged marker, with poor performance. I am here to say there is nothing wrong with having performance, expecially when you do not have to sacrifice maintenance or reliability. I am sure my 2002 Angel LCD will outperform his mechanical gun anyday, I use it in the woods, in the rain, in the mud, basically where ever and whenever I play. If I use my SP-8 I use the LCD as a loaner since unless you start adjusting things that arent easily accesable while playing, the gun is simply idiot proof, and then cleanup afterwards is a breeze. [QUOTE-UF #1] It only takes one shot to get out.

I digress, and will give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not mean a high ROF is bad, since it is obviously good, given the fact that it increases the possibility of eliminating another player; but rather shots in general should not be wasted. In which its not the number of shots fired, or the gun being used that must be brought into question, it is the utilization of said shots.

People that try to shoot across the field at players they cannot reach fall into this category (or worse yet at trees and structures). Since they are wasting paintballs without increasing the chances of an elimination (the chance of an elimination are zero), this is negative.

in general a high ROF is preferable, but knowing how to use your marker, and the range as well as accuracy of a paintball marker (in general) are needed.

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Acuracy by Volume ??

Accuracy by volume?

Obviously you missed he entire point.

It has nothing to do with accuracy, that comment was simply assinine.

It has to do w/ increasing the likelyhood of getting an elimination through increasing your ROF. You should not give up perfomance simply because you play in the woods. That does not mean you should be innaccurate when firing, or waste rounds. It just means that choosing an inferior marker due to the "one shot, one kill mentality" is stupid.

As for my comments about paintball guns being inaccruate by nature are also true.

So I  at your amazing contribution to the discussion.

Black_Shadow wrote: Sorry for what you call a dumb comment, but every time ive played in the woods with an electro, i end up dealing with a busted marker by the end of the day... First -> electros may have become more reliable in the past 3 years while i was away from the sport... also i never said an electro was any less reliable then a mech, i said a VL electro is less reliable than a 98c mech. Second -> Its not the marker, its the user who is in control... i believe someone has a quote in their sig thats states something like:   "pumpker'ed: when a pump player runs up to you and shoots you point blank because you thought 20bps made you good" Third -> I don't know how many times i've messed up my electro by playing in the rain, mud, snow etc. I've never had a serious issue with a mech in the woods, im not saying i haven't had issues, but their much less severe than those involving electros Fourth -> As a side note last time i checked, you can only fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, and semi for semi, its not mech or electro that makes the difference, its the user...

If you put two equally skilled players together, gave one a pump, and the other one a Naughty Dog Freestyle, the Freestyle owner would have the advantage, since all else is equal except ROF. ROF does not make a player good, a person's skills do, but ROF is an added tool/ advantage for a player to be able to utilize.

3) I can't see how you possibly messed up your electro unless you literally submerged it in water. On that point in severe weather conditions it might be better to lay with a mechanical gun. It of course depends on the Electro you have, some are better at dealing with the elements. Old sear trip spyders, and I am sure the VL in question will get water logged and damage the electronics ASAP if you arent careful. Newer electros/ higher end ones I wouldnt imagine it being as abig a problem with, unless of course you submerge them in water.

4) It is true that you can only fire a gun in semi as fast as you can pull the trigger. After that the entire point is BS.

Electro triggers have less resistance, thereby allowing you to pull the trigger faster, which in turn then allows you to fire faster... since you can only fire as fast as you pull the trigger, and any additional resistance./ stronger trigger pull will slow down your ability to fire quickly.

Ever seen someone walk a gun? You cannot walk a stock 98c, but you can walk a stock electro gun. Which will then in turn increase your ROF.

 see to the left, thats applause for you getting owned, since your most recent post was almost as stupid as the previous one. Don't worry I am sure if you try really hard...you can write a post that is so fallicious, that I start to wonder, is this guy simply uninformed, or does he sit at home, in his room, wearing a football helmet, smashing his head against the wall, while drool runs down his face...retarded. I sad to say that the next post you write on here, will probably be the post in question.