Freak Kit for PMR
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Topic: Freak Kit for PMR
Posted By: phil_stl
Subject: Freak Kit for PMR
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 1:25pm
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What threads are PMR's? Don't PM markers and Dye markers have the same threads. I still can't find any freak kits for a Proto or Dye gun!? Can someone help? |
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 1:32pm
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They all use 'cocker threads. ------------- 
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 1:37pm
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k thanks |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 6:45pm
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You really know a lot about that PMR, don't you? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 8:46pm
Give the boy a break, he's branching out! Let him ease into it!  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
hybrid-sniper wrote:Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 9:15pm
| There are just some things that are common sense that he doesn't know. Especially for someone either almost in college or is in college. |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 10:10pm
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Robocop I don't understand how knowing what threads the PMRs have, has anything to do with getting my University degree or is "common sense" as you say. Most people I know that are in University don't even know what PMR stands for let alone what threads it has. So the idea that it is common sense doesn't make any sense. So far nearly done my second year and the profs have not spoken a word about paintball. So please explain your theory smart guy. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 10:16pm
Yeah, true, (and no phil he's not talking about the threads) but still, you gotta give the boy some credit for trying. This experience of using and learning about a Matrix should help him expand his horizons a bit and make him into a better technically minded individual. That said, I didn't know what threads my DMLCD took until I screwed one of my 'cocker barrels into it (praying that it fit until it nestled right in). ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 10:18pm
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I wasn't talking about the barrel threads, just the previous forum threads you have made. |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 11:10pm
| Like... |
Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 11:25pm
Stop jumping on phil....i mean unless you want to be a hipocrite I say this because you probably asked some pretty stupid questions your self. ------------- 
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 11:34pm
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Who gave you an invitation to speak? (or breathe)? How about you shut your hole (all of them) and let Robo respond! |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 11:43pm
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NOW this thread is interesting! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 12:24am
lol, Kickinwing takes your side and you still try to beat him down Phil.....  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Langside
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 6:16am
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Why air bottles have regs on them... |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 7:04am
I chuckled. -------------
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 7:35am
| Well it was better asked here than PBN. |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 8:54am
I rofl'ed Phil, it sounds like you need to relax, i believe robo was saying its commonsense to forumers not people in the real world... your question was answered and your mad because you didn't know the answer Please just take a chill pill... ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 11:25am
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True, I took two chill pills, a sleep and a shot of whisky so I'm plenty relaxed and you know what I just realized... I was being a jerk. I'm pretty used to being the one help others and gives them advice on but it seems everytime I ask a question of my own people jump all over me and use it to make me look like an idiot. So ya I know nothing about speedball guns, I've never owned one, I've never owned HPA. And I probably shouldn't be spending $1000 total on more paintball gear if I don't know much about it. Anyway I owe kinkinwing2010 an apology I was a prick and shouldn't have said that to you. Sometimes I get out of hand so, I apologize. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 11:29am
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Heh, $1k is nothing, just wait until you get the "fever" like DeTrevni and I have. We can't keep our noses out of auctions and B/S/T threads long enough to sleep. I'd hate to actually compound what all I've spent over the years.
That said, my Autococker (just to give you an idea of how cheap a deal you're getting at $1,000) cost me slightly over $2,500 over 2 years to build including air and hopper. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 11:45am
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That must be one nice autococker! Ya that's another reason I don't want one. They are a money pit like my 98 Custom, so many upgrades to choose from. So anyway, what does everyone think about the freak kit? I was thinking of getting the stainless steel inserts and a Freak barrel. The freak back will probably be used because the ball doesn't really go through that part right (as in touch the inside of that part of the barrel - it's used to hold the insert) - am I correct. Should I get an all american front, a freak front, stiffi or does it really matter much? |
Posted By: Langside
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 12:12pm
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I have a AA front tis good. Yah the back bit holds the insert... and you screw the front bit into it.
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 12:20pm
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So you're saying I'm basically screwing the back!?
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:13pm
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Hey guys just wondering if I should get some virtue eyes for the PMR that I'm getting they are $30 CDN free shipping!? Is it worth the money or is it just waste of money cause the PMR already has eyes in it right!? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:24pm
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I've never noticed a difference between the stock eyes and aftermarket ones. They're kinda like a beaver-tail on an autococker. Functional, but they don't do much to enhance performance.
As for the freak, go for it! They're a great kit if you can afford it. As is, I can't, so I'm probably going to pick up a CP kit myself (esp since CP barrels are supposedly manufactured by a really good barrel maker that starts with an L, and ends in APCO.) ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 3:20pm
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the freak is a great barrel, im not sure if u can still get freak jr.'s i havent seen them in a which, they were awesome barrels as well..
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 4:16pm
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The freak jr. is the same thing as a freak barrel except it only comes with one insert (usually blue one bore .689). The freak jr. kit is the barrel and three inserts. Then there is the full set of inserts (regular or stainless) that you put in the freak barrel. They still have the freak jr. some places online. |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 4:31pm
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i thought the freak jr. was just a less expensive version of the freak???
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 5:38pm
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Geez this is common sense man!!! lol. jk. From all my research on the barrel the above post is what I found. Yes and by the way there is a front and a back to the barrel; the inserts fit in the back piece. Also the stainless steel inserts are supposed to have a slightly better finish and be stronger/more durable. |
Posted By: Jon.
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 5:42pm
| Freak Jr. is fugly blocky and suprisingly heavy for a barrel. You'd be wise to not buy one. |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 5:57pm
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It is not fugly, nor blocky. You come around here just to talk down about good barrels and you don't give any suggestions for which one would be better. By the way if the barrel is too heavy for you, I suggest lifting some weights. |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 6:11pm
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Phil, you just killed your "nice" streak. I would go for the freak kit. Can't go wrong with one. -------------
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Posted By: Jon.
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 7:34pm
Alright man, what do I know, I've only owned a freak kit with both freak and AA tips, and I've directly compared the two in my hands. I said "suprisingly heavy for a barrel", dimwit. I didn't say it was too heavy to carry, I'm saying you'd certainly notice a difference in balance especially with such a light gun as a PMR. It IS blocky especially comared to the regular freak kit. The Jr. is not an attractive barrel, neither the tip nor the back are milled or styled in any sort of attractive fashion. I liked my freak, but it was sold off with the rest of my gear when I sold my A5 and semi gear. Go ahead, buy the freak jr, then you'll figure out on your own how awful it'll look on the nicely milled styled body. I thought my suggestion didn't need to be said, but here goes, BUY THE REGULAR FREAK NOT THE JUNIOR. A freak junior isn't just a freak kit with fewer inserts, it's a budget freak at the expense of weight and style. And I do lift weights, big heavy ones. |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 8:32pm
And in response to kickinwing's post, no I didn't have stupid question threads. Mainly because I had a couple of years under my belt before coming to the forum. Also the search button is an amazing feature on the forum. Before I even registered to the forum I just read posts that helped improve my knowledge on Tippmanns. In my first years of playing, people came to me to fix there Tippmanns. So at just looking at paintball guns and using common sense, I figured a lot of things out for myself. |
Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 8:24pm
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I use an ultralite on mine, shoots very straight and is well ultralite. Someone else i know uses a stifi on his and said it quiets the gun down alot and shoots very smoothly. The virtue eyes do nothing, as far as lasers, wait until someone comes out with wired eyes, the rail uses an eye wribben(thin tape like wire system, about the with of the tape on a caset tape but stiffer). Anyone else have predictions on how long before phil makes a post in the maintance section asking how to fix this thing if he ever gets. MY money is within one hour of getting the gun. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 1:13am
Alright man, this is when I get to start deconstructing your post. Just because you say you've owned something doesn't make you an expert on it.
Seriously, if you're concerned with looks, switch from paintball to ricers, they cost about the same in the long run.  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Jon.
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 7:03am
Never claimed I was.
What part of "for a barrel" is so difficult to understand? Yeah it's made from aluminum, but like I've already said there's MORE of it on the barrel, since it's not machined down like the regular freaks. It's a noticible difference not too heavy to hold or whatever you'd like to accuse me of.
I have an autospirit for my phantom and had a bigshot for my A5, I don't know how you can call them big and bulky in comparison. I had my freak, both tips, and I loved it, I thought it was a damn great barrel, I had a an bigshot, I loved that and only got rid of it to help pay for my freak kit. I did give up, semi, I only own 3 pumps now. And call me silly but why buy such a nice looking really light gun like a PMR and stick on an ugly barrel when for a few bucks more you can get a regular freak. Asthetics aren't my goal for paintball (I play in cargo pants and sweaters from my garden center work days, trust me I don't care much about looking great), but they have to be taken into account at some point. Unless you're a rainmaker fan.
When you're holding them in either hand it's very easy to feel the difference. Sure if you just buy the junior you'd probably never know, but a 1/4 to a 1/2 pound isn't exactly nothing on a gun that only weighs 2 lbs.
So I'm not allowed to tell someone a barrel looks like a viewloader orion barrel and they'd probably be a lot happier to pay the small difference and get a full on freak? Budget barrels are great, but people on that much of a budget don't buy the newest gun model and buy 100$ (I don't know how much they are american) barrels. I'm sure he can scrounge up another 40 for a real freak. And guys like me? You've read possibly 2 of my posts and already I'm on that list? Maybe you should give up if it bothers you that much.I don't wipe, cheat, whine, pay 200$ for a proflex strap, I've never uttered the word "agg" without adding -tard on the end, I don't even own any colourful clown gear, I play at a feild that's made of hay bales, but I'm driving you from the sport. That's kinda silly. Don't go to pbnation then, you'll probably end up even more depressed with that gaggle of children.
I'm willing to bet we never step on the same field, but don't worry I'm impressed with the size of your e-penis anyway. 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 8:40am
Come on.... seriously, how do you even say that the freak JR is any less bulky than a big shot, JJ&J Ceramic, etc? Seriously man, you concentrated so much on it's looks and the fact that it wasn't a curvacious as the actual Freak barrel in your original post that that truly seems like it was all you were concerned about. As for the Autospirit and Bigshots, from a milling standpoint, they're extremely bulky. Especially if you use an older 'cocker threaded version with the big hump in the center for the shroud. Not to mention the fact that you could seriously injure someone if you tapped them on the heat with my A.S. As for the weight and the "As a barrel" part. As far as barrels are concerned, only recently has lightness become such a selling factor. Even then, it's mainly been to appeal to front players in tournament ball. Sure, the average player and scenario guys don't necessarily want to lug around an eight-pound marker so they like them too, but compare the JR to the vast majority of barrels available out there and it is significantly lighter! Go weigh them! Seriously! You know what, I'm going to go to the shop tonight and weigh the various available barrels out there so you can see exactly what I'm talking about. Also, I don't care if you play on hay-bales or sup-air fields, the attitude you put forth in your post of being holier-than-thou is just as bad as those kids on pbn. The only people who come close to annoying me as much as the "agg" kids are the self-righteous stock-class/pump guys who think that somehow, by playing pump, they're so much better on every level than everyone else in the sport. I'm not saying that pump isn't a great game to play. I know and enjoy the company of many pump players. I play pump myself part of the time (with an un-modified 1975 007 at that) but still use my 'cocker and love to shut down lanes in tournaments with my matrix. Everything said and done, if you need a new barrel for your marker, and you want to have the ability to use inserts to adapt to various paint types but don't have the money to spend on a full-fledged freak-kit, the Jr isn't a bad way to go. You still get the versatility of the freak kit with a system that you can build upon. Sure, you can save up more for the full Freak, but if instant gratification is your thing, then go for it. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:03pm
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For some reason i didnt like my freak. But, my friends thought it was nice. I just never like the insert idea, i like the solid backs. But, i think im the only one on here that doesnt like them. I liked the AA front a lot better than the freak, it makes it look better. ------------- 
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:34pm
| I don't like the freak kit. Too expensive for a kit. The only thing I like is that buying a different back for it will allow it to be used on different guns. I like my Evil Pipe kit because I don't have to worry about messing the inserts up. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:59pm
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Ugh, I can't stand the evil pipe that came on my 'trix. The seams are so mis-matched it's not even funny. Thank god I pretty much use 'cocker-threaded markers. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 6:23pm
| I can stand mine. In fact I love it and so do 5 other friends I have that have pipe kits too. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:50pm
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It might have something to do with the fact that the guy who bought it
before selling the whole package to me, bought a 16" pipe kit front and back combo. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: 3442
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 5:39pm
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have you thougth of waiting before upgrading hte barrel because i would. I tested ou the stock pmr barrell and an ul, and shot a bit with the freak today and found the stock to be better than all the other two when using draxxus whitebox i bought on boxing day. the bore was about .687-.689 ish. at 75 feet, shooting at a 2' by 3' board, i shot one off target, 6in 12", and 5 in 8", and at 50 7 in 8", 5 in 4" using the pmr barrel Using the 14" ul .688 at 75 feet, two were off board, 5 in 11" i was using the pm5 for hte test, not the pmr. more can be seen here ------------- Frank |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 11:02pm
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1. It says in your
link/other post that you only tested the UL barrel and the stock PMR barrel. – There is no indication of you testing the
freak barrel. 2. Yes I know you said you tested the freak later
but you don't mention that you did it like the other tests... in a no wind
situation and measuring the shot groupings. 3. I still don’t believe
your tests could have been done properly and not only because you did it by
sight and not by measuring the shot groupings but also because imo the best way
to measure accuracy of a barrel is with the gun clamped down. That way you are not accidentally aiming it
off target (neither is the kick of the marker). 4. Different paint to
bore matches provides different results -- obviously. *Therefore
your tests are flawed. -------- Oh and in your test (of the UL and PMR
stock barrel, you even mention the fact that the UL barrel has very tight fit (you
say “but in my opinion it wasn’t deforming the ball”). Well I’m slowly losing faith in your judgment
and your opinion because there is such a thing as the ball being too big for
the barrel. 5. Also you speak
nothing of the freak kit, but you say the freak barrel. That doesn’t tell me anything about what
insert you were using. So therefore once
again if you were using the wrong insert and the bore size of the paint could
have been too big or too small than it’s obvious that a barrel with a better
paint to bore match will be more accurate (in almost all cases). 6. Finally you write with
a pretty poor French and this lack of intelligence of that language combined
with your poor explanation, and your tests of only one type of paint with no
indication of what size insert you were using in the freak and all the other
reasons that make your tests of poor quality not only does it not prove
anything but it makes me not want to believe anything that you ever post again. So advice for the
future… revise the above six points, see where you went wrong when doing your tests
and try to make your tests more accurate. Because most will tell you the freak kit is an
excellent barrel set. |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 3:41pm
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Wow, he just owned you. Saying the same stuff numerous times too. -------------
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Posted By: 3442
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 7:14pm
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Phil, i hope your clever enought to realize the freak will not be as good as your super chromium Now, if your so intellegent why post noob topics like is the pmr cocker threaded? or stupid things about hpa( and many other stupid topics)? Maybe you should get a super chromium, have you thought of that? As for the freak, listen boy, have you shot it? I know i have and yes, its an excelent barrel kit, so is the ul i wont argue that. The rounds i were using were .687- .689 and i used both a .687 and .689 insert when i joked around at the end and found the stock barrel (.690) to be plenty good. Now i did not talk much about the freak because i didnt record any data since i only tested it at 75 feet, but i was hopeing my results could encourage you to perhaps try the stock barrel out first especialy if you play .689- .687 bored paint. I guess that was to hard for you to understand right? Now comes my lack of intelegance. Iam as french as they get. unfortunatly my education is limited to the poor french given by english schools around here and indeed, spelling isnt my strongpoint yet id like to have a history debate or talk economics or even business to show you my skills in these domains certainly make up for my poor grammar. But then again, iam guessing you've studied psycologie also and can understand a smart brain can understand a lot of things even if letters in a word are changed around, so you not understanding my poor grammer in french can be caused by A) low IQ, or B) by the fact its a french site and most of what is written has no accents because most people have english keyboards and that they write in the spoken way. Now instead of being such an arogant wasp, how about taking a few more chill pills you took before and ask some POLITE questions so i can help you out best i can... P.S, to my knowledge your in college so you must have learned by now that most experiments are alwyas revised and touched upon, and this was only the begining and yes, i do realize i need to fix some things. Now if you didnt know thats how knowledge is built upon... you might want to sharpen up what you kno before you start to give me advice. Sorry if i was rude, but i truly believe your in no position to rant my inteligance, and that if i missed out something, you can simply ask and il be happy to help you out, at least try. Maybe i would have even been willing to test it you with the pmr instead of the pm5, but dont worry, that simply wont happen now. Frank *yes, this has been revised to make sure you didnt have to bash my grammer skills to much as this is, according to you, clearly more important than any facts i pointed out. i mean, you couldn't have simply looked at the test and sayed, wow, at 75 feet with this bad paint and this velocity, the stock barell gave me X as a grouping which is realy good, Hey maybe i wont cought another 150$ after all! ------------- Frank |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 7:19pm
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Phil, cool it. I'm gonna have to side with Frank on this one, and I too recommend you use the stock barrel before you upgrade. Kit accuracy comparison tests have limited merit anyways, because they (kits) will all shoot more or less the same. |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 4:05pm
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Posted By: 3442
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 5:14pm
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sorry if i didnt bother to find any stupid comments besides the hpa, cocker thread, and supercromium, i just felt these were plenty enought to show you might want to do a little litterature review before getting into some topics. And why in the world would you go for a business major in french? Also, if you want to insult my sister go ahead, i couldn't care less when the cops arrest you for abuse on a minor, and i hope you realize such things on the internet can be taken very seriously. Just look at how many kids were arrested after september 13. Finally, if you want to argue or debate pm me and il give you my msn, but id rather we leave the insults aside on the forums and do something constructive. If your not clear about what the purpose is, you do realize you can ask. And if you have a major in business, i doubt i realy do have to go so much into details. Frank ------------- Frank |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 6:51pm
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Hey, Phil got rid of his "cyanide" title.
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Posted By: GoTsKiLLz
Date Posted: 03 March 2007 at 9:02am
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Why is everyone always arguing on a computer? anyways i have a Freak on my PM6 and an Ultralight on my DM7...and the UL is awesome man...if u have the cash go for the UL it has less bore sizes but even using the biggest one (.695) gives u great accuracy on balls that should used with an .689 bore size. -------------  
My DM7 and PM6. :) |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 03 March 2007 at 11:34pm
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 03 March 2007 at 11:59pm
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Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 04 March 2007 at 9:46am
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