Grade Inflation
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Topic: Grade Inflation
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Subject: Grade Inflation
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 12:26pm
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http://www.amny.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-liread0223,0,5893949.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire - Is a bad thing. Summation of the story: Average GPA's in schools go up, but average knowledge goes down. I've been calling this one for a long time now. Schools are fluffing the grades so bad now-a-days. Even from where I went to high-school, a select cult of kids pretty much did nothing but make sure they had a 4.5 or higher, an ungodly high amount. It was just downright silly. When you have 10 people in a class of 40 (I went to a small school) with a 4.0 or higher, some into the 4.5 range, your scale is off. Make the work harder, or make it count for less. Whenever I would bring this up around them, and some of them even still to this day, they get super defensive about it. They insist they "earned" that 4.3 GPA. It is nothing but a title game. "Honors" and AP classes are no more challenging than standard classes, but you can get a ton more weight from it. The whole grading/GPA system is borked, and we are continuing to raise a generation who thinks that because of the number they earned in high-school they are actually intelligent. I see it here all the time. People that claim they graduated with a high 3 GPA, yet seem to be academic probation after the first semester and flunking out of everything. Now, class, discuss this amongst yourselves... ------------- 
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Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 12:33pm
| graduated with a 2.68, it shows. |
Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 12:55pm
| I graduated high school with a 3 because I got really lazy after freshman year. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 1:02pm
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I think the system of grading we currently use in high school is inherently lame in and of itself. For the most part, it measures a student's willingness to work hard rather than true intelligence. But whatever, I agree with Whale. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 2:59pm
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The point is to get a high gpa and get into a good college. Who the hell cares what you learn or not. If you don't get a high gpa, you are just an idiot or blatently don't care because it is not really a challenge.. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 3:09pm
In the end, that's all that matters. Would you hire a smart guy that is not willing to work hard? I sure wouldn't. But a guy that is not as smart can still put out a good product and if he is willing to put the effort in. I would rather have the not-so-smart person than a genius working for me. Intelligence is also important, but that should show after you're hired. The will to work is why we have progress, not just smart people. ------------- 
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Gatyr wrote:Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 3:24pm
| AP's aren't more difficult than regular classes? You're right... it only means taking college courses in high school... |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 3:38pm
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High school classes are easy, i (somehow), just do the homework, pay a bit of attention in class and get a 4.0, but when people dont try, like, for instance, to do a report, you had to do everything in steps, this kid was too lazy to get a paper signed, just signed, so he failed the quarter because he wasnt allowed to move onto the next thing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 3:48pm
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I get decent grades. I'm in a few honors classes that I get A's in, but it doesn't affect my GPA that much. I got a 3.37 last quarter with minimal effort on my part. I think that's about right.
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 4:43pm
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i think i have around a B with an honours course. i don't try my hardest, but i do homework, and if there is project that is worth like half my grade, i usually try and do it...i don't understand why kids just blow that off, as long as you do it, and follow the instructions, you are pretty much garenteed at least a 70..which is a lott better than a 0. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 5:28pm
In theory yes, but how often is that ever the case? -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 5:32pm
I tend to agree. But as it ties into the topic, people are having to put less and less effort in, and are getting more and more back grade wise. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 6:51pm
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It's all part of the era of entitlement. I'm sure everyone here knows the fellow student/coworker who feels that they should get top grades/pay just for showing up without actually having to put forth any effort. After all, we wouldn't want to hurt little Jonny's feelings by telling him that his complete lack of a work ethic resulted in poor performance would we? Edited Note: Those of us who badmouth these folks should stop and appreciate them for the wonderous beings they truly are: Our future competition in the job market. ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 7:25pm
If it's that easy to get great grades, think of how easy it is to just get by. If you just plain dont give a crap but are relativly intelligent you can not do homework ever and pass on tests alone. I'd be willing to bet more than half of the NHS overachieving cult turds have dropped out when faced with actual work. Our salutorian's new plan in life is to stop takin her pill so she can force he woman-beating boyfriend to marry her because having kids soves relatinship problems.
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Posted By: Farcry0092
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 9:16pm
| in my school, the GPA system isnt too messed up. im in 3 honors classes out of a possible four and taking spanish band an PE and have A's in 4 out of 7 classes. one problem is that i have to actually study now. the honors classes are actually different from the regular classes so us smart people are actually learning something. |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 9:43pm
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I disagree with the statement that honors and AP aren't more challenging. At least in my school, they are MUCH more challenging. My AP US History class is the toughest I have EVER taken. It has so much work to it, and we get overloaded with so much information. Everyone in my class is in the top 40 out of almost a class of 500, and ever WITH the AP weight the average GPA in the class is a 3.9. Now for honors, I think it depends on the teacher. I've had honors classes easier than regular classes, and honors classes almost as hard as my AP classes. It really depends on the school, making a generalization doesn't do anything. |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 10:34pm
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yea, last year my honors werent too much harder than a normal class. THIS year, the teacher is a real <meanie>. -------------
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Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 11:07pm
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in my schools they will jump their grades for no reason just to make them look like they are a good school. it ticks me off because i really try hard and everyone else doesnt give a crud, but they still get b's and a's ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 11:32pm
In both of my Ap courses? |
Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 11:42pm
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 11:44pm
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Highschool is so easy. I wish I put half the effort I'm putting in now just to pass classes in college back in highschool. I had a 3.2 for most of HS, I think the highest I every got was around a 3.7. What I hated was that the kids in all the AP classes that had 4.0+ GPA's thought I wasn't as smart as they were. I remember talking about history with one of them once, and he said something like "How do you know about that, I thought you were an idiot." I'm nowhere close to being an idiot, I'm fairly intelligent, I just chose to play Halo2 and CS more in HS than actually study. A high GPA does not equate to high intelligence. There are a million people out there that are complete airheads, yet have a 4.0. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:05am
I am pretty much the same. The reason for GPA inflation is because these days everyone is afraid to hurt anyone's feelings. May God help us if we do anything that may jeopardize a kid's self-esteem. |
Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:23am
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I'd hate to hop on the bandwagon, but...
I happen to vehemently agree with the previously elucidated point. I cannot tell you how many times I have spoken to one of the NHS turd-wagons, expecting a clairvoyant, articulate conversation; but only to find that I am speaking to the human equivalent of my hound dog. Honestly, half of these kids wouldn't know Machiavelli from their boot. I have often found, in my "investigations" that it is nothing more than a mere number game (as has been elucidated previously, on numerous occasions). Think about it: the school gets more and more funding for producing higher GPAs, and standardized test scores; and the honors kids get to fellate their own egos in a public forum. It's a win-win situation. The state, on the other hand, is looking for a number, a one-dimensional figure, in order to compare the multi-dimensional facets of education, education techniques, and general intelligence on a school to school basis; in order to determine..... who gets the dollar... (Is it any suprise that the school districts will do what ever they can to ensure that the students go as unchallenged as possible, inorder to inflate the average GPA?)
I don't know, I never got it either. I suppose maybe I'm not the cynic I think I am? Maybe it really does come down to money?
Just so you know where I am coming from: I am the definition of a bad student, inside and out. Although I have historically scored very high on standardized tests and exams (usually in the "proficient or advanced" category), my grades maintain a very low average. If I am not mistaken, my class rank hovers around 260-something out of 300-something. Although my grades may resemble the backside of Margaret Thatcher, I continue to self educate at my own pace. Unlike many of my peers, I realised early on that the topics and methods used by my previous, present, and possibly future teachers are (in my book) fundamentally flawed. As far as I could ever concern myself, you might as well pack mud in your ears than listen to half of the crap they try to force feed me.
(orry, I do need to apologize for my little meandering, wanton diatribe I just put you through. It was on my mind at the time, so I posted it. If you have a problem, don't respond. I probably don't care what you have to say anyway.)
Oh, one other thing: The next person (HOLLISTA!@@#!!!! clad) who gives me an ear full of elephant dung for reading Beowulf out of personal interest (not the required criterion) gets an electrified catheter. I'll do it, too. ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:29am
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:31am
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I am. I'll never deny that. How could I, anyway? ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:32am
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understand. You sound like the backside of Margaret Thatcher -------------
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:35am
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You are the back side of margaret thatcher. loler-skates pwn ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:37am
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:40am
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eclipsed the sun, in my case, and I fear that I hear the sun knocking not far from here. The moon shines brightly and the sun does blind my eyes for morning soon comes -------------
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:40am
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Just go in your room, shut the door, turn out the lights, and listen to Anemia by Tool as you slowly cry your self to sleep.
.... I'd do it. ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:42am
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I agree with Belt. I am not going to lie. I graduated high school with a 4.0. Did I think I was any better than anyone? Hell no. Know how you get a 4.0? Learn to take tests well. Think I actually cared about what I was learning about in any of my classes? No, I just got good at memorizing for tests. I didn't think a GPA was a good measure in intelligence, I just wanted a high one so it would look good to a college. In turn, my school wanted me to get a 4.0 too, because it looked better for them. That is what it comes down to. Looking better, not actually being better. I didn't like the people who felt like they were superior because of their GPA, nor did I like the little tricks they pulled. They would get classes like PE and art classes, where they only got 100% (because a 100% actually dropped their GPA) stricken from their records to squeak that extra .003 in. It was all just very sad. What it comes down to is we have made a system where it pays for both the student and the school to look good rather than be good. -------------
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:42am
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and self-fornicate to vulgar images of Edgar Allen Poe? -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:45am
Poe, the original emo. -------------
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:51am
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Prodigy: I personally fornicate to vulgar images of H.P. Lovecraft. Much more sinister in apperance.
But, yeah, reguardless of.. well, really anything, I can honestly say that I never really cared about college. I never was sucked into that whole endless void of "you can't get a job if you don't go to a good COLLAGE!" Well, assuming you aren't persuing academia (or something of that nature) as a career. I don't need an English Lit. class to put down a slick weld, enlist, or wire a pannel. I excell where I choose to, as does every one else. But, however, if my future career did require a college degree I would pursue it whole-heartedly.
Bottom line: why care if you don't have to?
Angst: http://www.vintagelibrary.com/pulp/hpl/art/lovecraft2.jpg - http://www.vintagelibrary.com/pulp/hpl/art/lovecraft2.jpg ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:19pm
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:27pm
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I just looked at my seventh grade report card. .00 GPA
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:29pm
Fixed. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:32pm
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 10:49pm
at my school, gpa is a measure of ones desire to take the easiest possible classes to insure a 4.0 gpa. We dont weight grades, which means someone with a 3.9 and all AP/Honors classes is ranked worse than someone with a 4.0 in all basic/retard classes. I have a 3.5 right now, and am ranked worse than a girl that sits behind me in one of my classes with a 3.7. the only problem with this is that she doesn't even know what the Holocaust was, or how to find the mean of a set of data. Last year, my school had 26 valedictorians |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:59pm
At least colleges are not that stupid and will take out worthless classes when measuring GPA's. They also look at the level of difficulty of the classes, so even if you are not a valedictorian, they will know that you worked hard. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 4:06am
| Anyone who thinks AP Classes are harder than mainstream classes doesn't belong in them. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 5:18pm
thats true, but they also give out most of their scholarships based on "top 10% of graduating class" or "top 15%...". so theres more scholarships im not eligible for, just because i chose to challenge myself. |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 5:31pm
| Anyone who thinks AP classes are the same level of difficulty as mainstream classes never took AP Chemistry. |
Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 6:22pm
I help my girlfriend with her AP chem. Even though I failed 2nd semester biology last year they stuck me in Prep physical science. ------------- Gamertag: Kataklysm999
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