shocker nxt
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Topic: shocker nxt
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Subject: shocker nxt
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:00am
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is a shocker nxt good for woodsball? |
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Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:04am
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Well its not the equipement its the player, but because its an electro, i wouldnt take it in the woods, IMO its too much money for something that you might screw up out there. If you want to play woods, look into a different gun, If your going to play speedball, the shocker would be awesome, but for woods, its iffy. ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:14am
| i would play mostly speedball, but once in a while i play woodsball |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:23am
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have you already bought the gun? ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:49am
| no, thats why i want to know |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:50am
| or what about an tippmann A-5. Is that one a speedball or woodsball gun? |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 10:53am
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Then why are you trying to buy a 800 dollar or more gun... if your playing speedball start with one of the e-spyders or a tippmann 98 or a5, they wil be great on both the woods and speedball field and wont cost you a billion dollars ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:12am
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Shockers will work fine in the woods. Some people tend to have this stigma about speedball markers only being good for speedball. It simply isn't true. I use a DMLCD in the woods all the time and don't have any issues what-so-ever. The shocker is a fine marker for any type of play. Now, I PERSONALLY wouldn't buy one, but that's just my moral standards coming into play since I don't like litigious companies on a general basis. But yes, any kind of electro-pneumatic marker is fine for woods-play, be it a smart-parts, DYE, Eclipse, etc. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:21am
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tallen, i would like to point out that chances are el-loco has more that likely never played paintball, or has barely played, for him to invest money in a shocker would most likely be a waste. I greatly suggest you get either the A5, an E-Spyder, or an Ion they all work great in both the woods and on the speedball field, and cost less than half of the cost of a shocker. the spyder and a5 can also be run off co2, if i even see anyone trying to use co2 on a shocker i will hurt them severely... to get started with a shocker will cost you about 1000 bucks, an e-spyder, ion or a5 will cost you 200 to 400 bucks. i suggest you check those guns out. ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:21am
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so i should buy an A-5 and start there. |
Black_Shadow wrote:Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:24am
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i would advise that, a spyder works too, you said you would play speedball more than woods, so a spyder will work just as well as the a5. its your choice. ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:27am
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but the A-5 is really custumizable, so i might go with that. |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:39am
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If you can, go to your local paintball pro shop and see what you like. ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:52am
| i looked at spyder vs3 and it said that it was designed fo HPA only. |
Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 12:21pm
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Alright, I would advise you to pick 2-3 guns that really spark your interest and are in your price range. I would advise against a Shocker for right now, seeing as you're new to the sport. If I were in your position, I would check out the A5 and Ion. Both are great guns and highly customizable for both woodsball and speedball. The A5 runs off CO2 or HPA while the Ion runs on HPA only. The A5 comes standard with the cyclone while the Ion requires you to buy a faster hopper. The Ion comes standard with an electronic board while the A5 requires you to purchase the Egrip. You need to decide what you're looking for out of the gun and what your price range is. Figure those few things out and get back to us. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: eL-LoCo
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 12:24pm
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what if i buy the anti-siphon tube. will the ion be able to use co2 with that? |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 12:24pm
| Eh, if you're gonna destroy a high end electro it may as well be a Shocker. |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 1:01pm
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no, you shouldnt use co2 with an ion. if you going to get co2, you best buy the a5, or a spyder, there are lots of spyder that run on co2, just look for them. some i suggest: a5 spyder E99 avanti (i think thats the name) spyder mr2 ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 1:20pm
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^ I LAWLED
Anywho, sorry, I was under the impression he had played a bit before. That said, get your hands on a few different markers and see how they shoot. I've gotten away from blow-back operated markers (with the exception of repairing them) over the past year or so. I'm a performance oriented player, and while you CAN make any tippmann perform rather well, for me, It's like buying a Porsche with everything you want already on it, or buying a Lexus and taking it to a customization shop to build it up piece by piece. While the piece by piece method may work for those that don't have the start-up capital, if I had the money, I'd go buy a Porsche. That said though, you can't just buy a marker by looking at a catalog or some youtube footage. You need to get your hands on the sucker and at least fire it with some air through it. Go to a pro-shop, ask a TON of questions (don't worry most techs are bored out of their wits 80% of the time and are more than happy to just have someone to talk to) and try out a few different markers even if it's just with some air or reballs. Here are my personal entry-level to mid-range suggestions:
Those are all in the $200-600 range NEW. Another thing to look into are used markers. You can get a heck of a deal on a used high-end marker and equipment if you know where to look. If you are seriously interested in high-end electro-pneumatic markers and have the patience to learn how to properly use them and care for them then look into the following:
Now, most of these are older, chunkier looking, and heavier than the newer markers out there. They have the advantage of being less complicated though. LED angels will run forever, they're like the tippmann pro-lites of the Electro-pneumatic world. Impulses (again, I'd never buy one since it's smart parts, but that is a moral issue) are a good intro-to-electro marker and are basically the granddaddies of the ion. Eyes are a must in almost any electro-pneumatic marker, otherwise you'll be shooting soup (with the exception of the older angels). 'Cockers are wonderful markers, but unless you like to fiddle with your marker and are very mechanically inclined, stay away, it's too easy to get curious and mess something up. Older Matrixes (DMLCD/DM3, Gen E, and DM4) are getting really cheap now. I picked up my DMLCD for under $200 with a better board, bolt, reg, drop w/ on/off, snatch-grip, and empire reloader hopper. All it needed was a good barrel and an hpa tank which I already had. Older Timmies are great, just need a fast hopper and HPA. Finally, "shoebox" (due to the bulky shape) Shockers are pretty darn decent and the older max-flow regs let you run them on CO2. A fast hopper is very necessary. Also, anti-siphon is necessary for them even though the Max-flow did a good job. Seriously, get out there, try out some different markers. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 3:09pm
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Well, the post above me pretty much solved the question for you. I had an impulse for a while, and i liked it. They are very cheap lately, and upgrades are VERY easy to get a hold of. Plus, with the older(big) maxflos, people have ran the impulses off of anti-siphon co2 without any problems. Even though they prefer HPA. ------------- 
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: nathanours
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:02pm
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do not get one of these, my brothers friend has one and it has no end of problems, and it is a pain to mess with and not worth the money they cost ------------- 
sorry if this offends any one but it is funny Tippman 98c w/ J&J ceramic barrel polished internals expansion chamber |
Posted By: tonton
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 9:41pm
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i would get a custom pro. that's what i have. i used to have a spyder pilot. its electonic. i loved it until it started to blend. i would stay away from that gun because in only 500 balls i had to take the whole gun apart, clean it out, and put it back together twice. but my new tippy is perfect for me. what im gonna do is wait like five years and use my pro. then ill look into something like a dye dm7. ------------- custom pro e-trigger ---------------------- we are the gwagalagas!!! ya we're nerds, get over it. owned to the dome! socom clan: COG |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 9:21am
By then the DM7 will be around $200, or they may not be around at all. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 9:17pm
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in five years? yeah, DM7 will be worth around $175 stock. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 1:37am
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Don't waste your money on a tippmann. Your going to spend the same money upgrading it in the end anyway. If you have the money buy the best gear. Cheaper in the long run. It won't make you the best player but it doesnt hurt. ------------- 
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Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 4:23pm
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So narrow minded. If you want a Mil-Sim type marker get an A-5. If you want a decent marker with good speed and light weight get an Ion. If you like speedball get the ion or Dye Rail. ------------- 
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 5:50pm
Fixed! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 8:57pm
Narrow minded my butt, but would you want to take your brand new 1200 dollar shocker into the woods??? i know i certainly wouldnt... but the A5 is an awesome woods gun, and still great in speedball. ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 9:37pm
Seriously, it's a freaking marker! It isn't the hope diamond, it isn't a new car that you don't want to scratch the paint on, it's a tool. You buy the tool to do the job you need it to do. Some tools do the job better because they're built better, so they cost more. But a hammer is a freakin' hammer and a marker is a marker. You hit nails with a hammer and wouldn't keep it out of the tool-box for beauty's sake and you don't worry about about taking a marker onto the field, regardless of what kind of field it is, for the sake of an anno-job that probably isn't going to come off unless you're pretending that rock you're hiding behind is a flexible airball bunker. If anything, speedball markers are subjected to far more harsh conditions than the average woodsball marker. I DIVE head-first behind snakes all the freaking time and I'll tell you that my marker hits the ground HARD. If speedball markers were as fragile as you make them out to be, they wouldn't last through 1 round of X-ball, let alone a full tournament regardless of the rules or conditions. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 9:46pm
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i never said it was fragile...heck im willing to bet your marker has seen more abuse than anything most people can imagine. but the point of my argument here is to prevent a newbie from buying a gun that is just going to burn a hole is his wallet.
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 7:51am
You paid too much for the shocker... And yes, I would. If it can take dives, turf soaked in paint, and slams into bunkers from over sliding, then I think I will feel okay taking it into the woods. |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 7:33pm
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i never bought a shocker... and thats CND bucks, i was also including the price of an hpa tank and hopper in that price. ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 3:39pm
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I am also trying to save him money too. Stock A-5: $250, Fire up (RT or E-grip): $90-120, New barrel: $40-100, HPA tank: $95-200, regulator: $40-90 Ion: $300, New barrel: $40-100, HPA Tank: $95-200 See my point? You know as well as I people donot keep there A-5's stock, they throw all this money in fire power ups to have "fun" I went the A-5 route when I first started. Put a ton of money to make it less quiet (I like stealth in the woods) and shoot fast. I prob spent nearly $1,000 in all. Ions werent out back then but if they were I would of got the ion instead and saved money. Mind you, you will want to add an on/off and feed neck to the ion not mentioned above, but thats about it. -------------
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 9:30am
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you do have point, but co2 with an x-chamber is only about 60 bucks, so A5 ($250), RT or Egrip ($90-$120), Barrel ($40-$100), co2 ($35), x chamber ($25) = $440-$530 Ion ($250), Barrel ($40-$100), Low end Electronic Hopper ($60-$90), Locking Feed Neck ($30), Hpa with On/Off ($110-$200) = $490-$610 ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: Snake_98
Date Posted: 02 April 2007 at 6:13pm
| I have to go with Black_Shadow I'm not sayin speedball markers arnt durible but tippmanns can still fire with mud buit up around it and plus tippmanns have infinite possibilities for upgrades while i know may burn a hole in your pocket, but it will be just the way u like it, plus it doesnt sound like money is a huge issue considering he was thinking about a shocker... |