Wah wah wah. Change fields.

If that's not an option, bonus ball a little bit.

hybrid-sniper wrote: Wah wah wah. Change fields. If that's not an option, bonus ball a little bit.

^Exactally. Dont get mad, get even.

I can imagine that it would be frustrating to have players wiping, and refs not noticing it ... the best I can say is ... well, what everybody else is saying. Keep hitting the turd until he calls himself out. Bunkered people generally don't wipe too ... not with several stinging messy hits on their back or rear.

newzealand kiwi wrote: no firing squad's in the usa for cheat's??... dude, on the  main field i play if you get caught cheating no matter what(and as long as a reff or reff's see  it happen) all the other team get to blast you hard man till all hoppers are empty,nothing they can  do they signed consent everyone does and its all explained before both teams play,i seen one guy try and run from the death squad he never got far and ,we  never saw that guy again, his team bummed out but  2 feild marshell's(reff's)  were on the spot,what was that idiot thinking??.. Zero tolorence for cheats if ya lite up an ya try that ''wipe it off'' crap down these ways god help the poor sucka that get's busted..  But i must say We made that Law up for teams we play ,not for every tom dick and harry that wants to come and try paintball out for the 1st time although everyone is warned. trust me it may sound cruel but it really work's we dont see many if any cheats these days at all . the down side is i cant think of one

Also not legal and could get everyone arrested for assault and turn into a nasty lawsuit for the owner of the field, signed waivers or not. Court/lawyer fees would most certainly ruin the owner.

It's simple, ref catches you wipe your banned.

Well, the "speedball kids" usually just don't care to go out because it is just woodsball. Everyone is there for fun, and isn't playing a little longer fun?

I'm not saying it is good to cheat, just shoot me more I don't care. Shoot me alot, I'll live. If I ever play you call me on it and I'll let you unload on me to take away some anger.

I don't like dead men talking though(I don't do it), I had the problem against a team I hate. I was posted up on a kid and his teammate kept telling him.

As far as the raising their hands and then shooting people there is an easy solution. Shoot everyone dead or alive. A good dead man's walk is always good, so just shoot everyone.

Oh, and you should just change fields if you care that much.

If everybody doesnt want to go out on the first hit , call a "Two hit elimination" where once a player is hit , he/she goes back to the start point for his team (or other agreed upon spot) , and has another go at it ! We do this commonly at the recball/renegade field I play at , and as long as everybody plays by the same rules , Its All Good !

Deliberate , consistent , and flagrant cheaters on the other hand , should be shown no mercy .

My .02C

newzealand kiwi wrote: no firing squad's in the usa for cheat's??... dude, on the  main field i play if you get caught cheating no matter what(and as long as a reff or reff's see  it happen) all the other team get to blast you hard man till all hoppers are empty,nothing they can  do they signed consent everyone does and its all explained before both teams play,i seen one guy try and run from the death squad he never got far and ,we  never saw that guy again, his team bummed out but  2 feild marshell's(reff's)  were on the spot,what was that idiot thinking??.. Zero tolorence for cheats if ya lite up an ya try that ''wipe it off'' crap down these ways god help the poor sucka that get's busted..  But i must say We made that Law up for teams we play ,not for every tom dick and harry that wants to come and try paintball out for the 1st time although everyone is warned. trust me it may sound cruel but it really work's we dont see many if any cheats these days at all . the down side is i cant think of one

I doubt it. If a real field did that I would either A) Scream at the Owner or B) Get another field.

I dont cheat either before you think that.

dude u need an autococker... i just got one and it never seems to miss, i figure they can only wipe thier mask about twice before it is to smeared to see out of....  another thing myfriend  had the same problem, and decided to try to solve it using similar methods. he got a pistol with frozen balls. he was like"im doing them a favor, they dont need to wipe these balls" and i have never seen someone cheat at the feilds we paly at anymore... my friend did get in trouble for hte frozne balls(missed and shot a ref in neck, chekced the pistol n kicked out) so the lesson is, dont shoot the ref, ...lol i got off topic... i forget wha ti was saying

Tallen said : "As for dead men talking. while the netting will keep players safe, having rounds hit the netting in front of the person talking makes them think twice about getting close enough to say something. Also, bonus-balling people who don't have a barrel cover on is considered perfectly acceptable in this day and age of paintball."

Well spoken !

phil_stl wrote: p_p_b_h wrote: dude u need an autococker... i just got one and it never seems to miss, Buddy it's not the gun that makes you more accurate it's the barrel, the paint and you. (that's what tallen was trying to tell you too).

The gun matters to an extent, but any consistent setup is going to be just as accurate as the next consistent setup.

hehe i love it when people pick on me.... the gun isnt the important thing(except in speedball) tactics are, if you can get within approx 50 ft any gun should be able to hit the target. i am relatively new but ive played wiht alot of guns and theres nothing better than a fully upgraded autocoker!!... mine dosnt have a detent thogh... it drives me NUTS!!!! its like i cant point it down... really hard when your trying to hide or maneuvre, or shoot down a hill, the list goes on...but ya... i talk 2 much.....

well at my field balls can go through the netting. 

but talk to the reffs and if they dont do anything talk to managment.  but while you're waiting for them to do something, it won't hurt to go full auto on one of those cheaters

tallen702 wrote: You know, while I like the fact that someone is touting the autococker to be extremely accurate, etc. It pains be to see them do it this way, but that's for another post. Oh, and BTW, you ever try to freeze a paintball and fire it? good luck with that.... Polyethylene Glycol doesn't really freeze that well. At least not in your conventional home freezer which is typically set to a temperature of approximately 10*F to 15*F. What happens is that the gelatin takes on moisture (because freezers have a high humidity level) during the defrost cycle of the freezer and becomes misshapen while also becoming extremely brittle. The PeG (that's C2nH4n+2On+1 for all you chem buffs) never does freeze, so the whole "frozen ball myth" is just that; a myth. Now, should you drop your freezer temp enough to freeze a paintball, you'd still have to get it, in it's frozen state, to your marker in the field and not have it thaw (which would cause the gelatin to swell due to the heat and humidity change) would be quite an accomplishment. Even if you could get it there frozen, the gelatin would be so brittle that it would shatter in the marker leaving a misshapen PeG pellet to fly out of the end in a non-aerodynamic style with a flight-path akin to a round exiting a barrel clogged with broken paint. All in all, it's just not possible to do. As for the original issue at hand Wiping happens, sure, it sucks. But you need to deal with it in an adult manner. If you see it happen, call it to the ref's attention. If it continues to happen, bring it back up and, should the refs ignore the matter, talk to the management. But there is little you can do while on the field other than making sure that when they're hit, it's obvious. A lot of die-hard woodsball-only guys complain about speedball being a game of only throwing a lot of paint. But the reason that we throw so much (on top of covering lanes and providing cover and support fire) is that it's a lot easier for a ref or even the opposing player, to see a hit if there are 5 of them instead of just one. I shoot a lot, and I'll apologize for over-shooting as soon as it happens, but I'm going to make sure you're out and you know it. As for dead men talking. while the netting will keep players safe, having rounds hit the netting in front of the person talking makes them think twice about getting close enough to say something. Also, bonus-balling people who don't have a barrel cover on is considered perfectly acceptable in this day and age of paintball.

Wow, finally a sane post in this thread; well said.  I was going to make about three different points, but you already made them. 

this may be a stupid question but what is bonus balling?

grenades really arent that intimidating. besides you dont want to just intimidate them you wanna play mind games with them. 1 i like to use is "Bob", ill say bob get the left flank or bob theres a guy behind a bunker near you yada yada yadabut

but back to the point dont let cheaters ruin a perfectly good sport.

Black_Shadow wrote: just make sure its "too much paint to wipe off"... if i see someone wiping i just pelt em while they walk off when they finally are out.

Ditto. Also you should put a little more kick in your gun and if they try any of those tricks, shoot them until you are outta paint....send em' home crying, so they will never show their sorry faces around you again.