E-bolt hoses
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Topic: E-bolt hoses
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Subject: E-bolt hoses
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 3:37pm
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Well I bought a really cool drop forward today for my US-5. The host that goes from the solenoid valve on the board to the asa is not long enough anymore. I am looking at this now... and I see the clippard website and it seems you can only buy in 50 feet or 500 feet. Now i'm coming to you, where have you guys bought this tubing? And I need to know the size as well as the material. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 5:38pm
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also, another question: Are there any benefits to using qevs on an e-bolt? any good ways to increase cycle speed other than the 2-way mod ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: ultmate98
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 6:29pm
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id ask macgyver on the model98.net fourms. hed have the answer 2 your question and be able to sell u that stuff ------------- Warning: Exposure to the Son may prevent burning http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72746bo6.gif">  Christ Krew
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 6:44pm
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airsoldier.com sells it by the foot. i would check there before buying 50 feet
of lp line. is your ebolt already two wayed? ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist." 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 6:57pm
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My ebolt isin't but I don't trust my own tech skills to drill it. Plus I don't really have $70 to spend on a new soleniod. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 7:02pm
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is this the right place: http://www.airsoldier.com:8080/cgi-bin/mivavm?Merchant2/merchant.mvc+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOS&Product_Code=BESWICK-TUBING&Category_Code=FITTINGS - http://www.airsoldier.com:8080/cgi-bin/mivavm?Merchant2/merc hant.mvc+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOS&Product_Code=BES WICK-TUBING&Category_Code=FITTINGS and lp tubing is safe to use? what size tubing?
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 9:05pm
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Yea. That is the exact same stuff that I am using. I am using the 2.0mm
stuff, but that's only because I ordered corresponding barbs and what not. Depending on what you have I would get the smallest or second smallest size. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 9:30pm
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are bigger barbs better? right now, buying barbs or qevs as well as the line seems like a good idea as shipping is 5X as much as my order right now. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 12:18am
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bigger barbs mean more flow. might as well pick up new ones and make
sure everything fits like it should and is nice and tight. i just did the same thing. takes a bit to ship, but having swivel barbs on everything is nice. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 12:28am
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so no opinion on qevs? oh and where would one mount a gauge? also, any regulators you reccomend that are fairly cheap? actually, I'm not gona get new barbs unless you think they will grant extreme performance increases. The larger tubes may not fit into my custom-grip. (barely fits as is) ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 12:52am
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Barbs are not going to give you a huge performance gain. And unless you
are trying to get obtain lightening speeds with your gun, qevs aren't neccesary either. I say mount the guage in the reg, provided you have an extra 1/8th hole to put it in. As for the reg itself, see if you can find someone parting one off of a shocker/ion. I used one for awhile and it served it's purpose. Plus they should be cheap. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 1:01am
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is a reg that goes from the asa directly into the tank horizonatally my best bet? or does a vertical reg work also with an e-bolt? do I want a high pressure or low pressure reg? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 1:30am
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Where you put the red is a matter of preference. I would go with one in the
vertical adapter because you are probably going to be using the asa for a lpr (for the solenoid.) As for high or low pressure regs, I would go with a high. You can lower your operating pressure since you have an ebolt, but why take the chance of going to low with a low pressure reg. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 1:47am
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ok, thanks just wondering, what is the air that goes from the asa, into the marker used for? (not the air that goes into the soleniod, the air that would go up the steel braided or macro line) ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: bluecocker33
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 8:20am
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Ok...
The hose is the same stuff you would use on autocockers so just go to your local pb store and get the length that you need. Bigger barbs = higher flow which means less chance of shoot down when shooting at higher speed, But unless you have a aftermarket board and ram fastest you will get is 15-16bps as that's asfast as the spring return will cycle without chopping. QEV's= put on the back of your ram where the hose from the noid goes will allow you a slighty faster cycle time but then again you still have to deal with the spring so it is kinda pointless. On the reg mounting your best bet would be to use a vertical adapter and use the reg as the forgrip. Now high pressure vs. low pressure- I would personally just stick with HP, because if you went LP even though you have an ebolt you would still have to buy an low pressure kit which wil add just a bit of wait to the gum with the lp chamber, I had one on my 98c and all in all the gun shot just as good and didn't use as much air without it as it did with it. So just get the vertical adapter and a good reg that puts out 700-850 psi like a palmers or cp and you will good! Last question! The air that goes in to ss hose/macro line hose into the marker goes into the vavle to have air to fire the paintball, the the air to the noid does is cycle the ebolt just gotta have air to the marker to propell the ball. I hope i've answered all your questions! Have anymore just feel free to p.m. me. Also I know I haven't been around in awhile and most won't remember me but trust me I know my stuff! All you have to is some simple searchs and you will see, that or some searchs on PBN same user name! Peace, Chadington ------------- Team Uncanny TAG Sportz Predator Inside |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 11:49am
I see all of the time I have spent teaching you is lost. I can not believe you asked this question Carl.  ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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carl_the_sniper wrote:Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 12:11pm
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You taught him everything you know,,, and he still doesnt know anything ? ------------- SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf . Widowmaker , under construction |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 12:41pm
sorry, I don't remember you explaining what this does. oh and I ordered the tubing, thanks for that ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 3:12pm
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You are welcome for the tubing. I am sorry for failing you. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 9:25pm
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Sorry, I seriously can't remember you explaining it... remember everything else. i just don't understand what the hell it does. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 9:57pm
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Also, since i'm low on cash right now, what do you think of this reg: seems cheap but it says it only goes up to 500 psi. http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=D6JYqKH7f8 BY2ufiltqYAKsysA0hoaEl4LA=?ProductID=qV%2esFAY7nvUAAAD5EOlJB mGq - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=D6JYqKH7f8 BY2ufiltqYAKsysA0hoaEl4LA=?ProductID=qV%2esFAY7nvUAAAD5EOlJB mGq or http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=D6JYqKH7f8BY2ufiltqYAKsysA0hoaEl4LA=?ProductID=PLCsFAY7cMAAAAD3gF6lA_2t - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=D6JYqKH7f8 BY2ufiltqYAKsysA0hoaEl4LA=?ProductID=PLCsFAY7cMAAAAD3gF6lA_2 t ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 10:36pm
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Carl, What in the world have you to say that amounts to over 4700 posts (at this time) when you don't know how the ball gets blown out of the end of the barrel? I hope you haven't been passing yourself off as an expert to a bunch of new players. Guys, should we ban Carl from the forum until the can pass a comprehensive test on marker function? Oh, BTW, that is "I can't remember what the heck it does." -------------  
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 11:13pm
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ummm... I thought it was different for an e-bolt? I thought any air that is used for the marker to function, passes through the solenoid and into the ram? sorry that I can't figure out what the air in front of the ram does. I know how it's done on a normal marker, I just can't figure out the point of it an an ebolt ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 11:51pm
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Just stop posting about it. You really aren't helping your case.
Get something that is adjustable up to 800 or so, just in case. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 12:42am
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Well I needed to know if a reg directly into the asa (not the lpr) would help alot.
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 12:49am
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Ok, first of all, do you have a vertical adapter? ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: bluecocker33
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 2:20am
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A normal marker?
All the ebolt does is make a 98/98c operate like a timmay,bushmaster,angel etc.. so if you know how one of them works then its the same general concept.. Shouldn't be had to figure out! And nine out of ten times a reg is going to help. It will help keep the airflow consistant and help on spikes when using Co2. As the more consistant airflow into the gun the better your accuracu is going to be.. but you will also need a good paint to barrel match and good paint. God I miss the days when you was promoted on merit not post.. reason i'm not a gold member anymore.. won't let me be till I hit a grand but its no biggie to me so I will continue to post useful info till I make my mark. Chad ------------- Team Uncanny TAG Sportz Predator Inside |
Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 3:08am
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Carl, Carl, Carl!!! The only mechanical difference between the standard marker and the marker with an E-Bolt is the method used to strike the pin of the power valve. The standard marker uses a spring to drive the "hammer" forward to strike the pin of the power valve. The E-Bolt marker uses a pneumatic ram, instead of a spring, to drive the "hammer" forward to strike the pin of the power valve. The power valve is still the part that controls the gas flow through the marker to drive the ball out of the barrel. Gas to the power valve is separate from the gas that goes to the ram via the solenoid. Some of the gas from the ASA enters a low pressure regulator (Built into the GTA ASA or added to a port in a standard ASA) that is routed to the solenoid valve that controls actuation of the ram. All this gas does is actuate the ram driving the hammer on the end of the ram rod into the pin valve which opens the power valve. That ram gas is vented having no function in directly propelling the ball. The remainder of the gas from the ASA travels through the hose (braid or Macroline) to the power valve. If the power valve is a low pressure type there needs to be another regulator (and a Volumizer)between the ASA and the power valve to reduce the pressure that the power valve sees. But, LP Power Valve or not, there is a separate volume of gas from the ASA that goes to the power valve. The power valve pin is struck by the ram's hammer rod (or ram rod head) which then releases gas into the power tube. That gas travels forward through the forward bolt to push the ball. Carl, it's all now been said and I am still disturbed that you have not understood the functional operation of your marker to this point. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 3:10am
:o I am stunned. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 3:46am
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Oh, starting to make sense. Sorry but what I thought was happening (which I now know is wrong) was that: -air goes into ram, pushes ram out -linkage arm which is attached to ram moves out with bolt -bolt hits paintball, flies out, spring on ram returns But what is actually happening is more like the opposite of what I thought, and if I am to be correct, The whole purpose of the ram is to return the bolt back into it's origional position? Sorry guys, now I see that it was stupid. I completely misunderstood what the ebolt actually changes on the firing system of the marker. So, to clarify, does it help alot if the air going into the soleniod is regulated first (therefore, I would have to run it between the tank an lpr) or can I just run it in a standard regulator position? (between the lpr and marker) |
Posted By: bluecocker33
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 4:54am
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Well to answer that question.
It already is getting regulated. LPR-low pressure reg.. it brings the pressure down from the 850psi tank output to 40-60psi into the 'noid. But as explained before putting a reg between the lpr/asa gta setup and the marker is where you sill see the most benefit. And you could always use a aftermarket type lpr[any lpr that works on a cocker] and it would provide a little better consistancy tha the GTA setup, but then you would have to get a asa that has two places for a hose. Chad ------------- Team Uncanny TAG Sportz Predator Inside |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 2:10pm
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 2:14pm
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http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=D6JYqKH7f8 BY2ufiltqYAKsysA0hoaEl4LA=?ProductID=PLCsFAY7cMAAAAD3gF6lA_2 t - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=D6JYqKH7f8 BY2ufiltqYAKsysA0hoaEl4LA=?ProductID=PLCsFAY7cMAAAAD3gF6lA_2 t Do you think that one comes with holes to mount a gauge? also, is the macro line attached to the bottom or the side? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 12:37am
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i found a nice empire reg, almost new off the nation, only thing is it's only 180-600 psi. go or no go? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 12:51am
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You should be able to get by with that. Wait for Bruce or someone though.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 12:55am
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ok, thanks waiting |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 3:56pm
| ...waiting |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 4:24pm
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... And you completed an ebolted US5 without knowing how the ebolt works... i feel bad for that US5 jeez carl... ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 9:45pm
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600 psi on the top end may be enough to operate the standard marker. A reg in that range would be better with a LPK. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 9:47pm
| may... am I better off not risking it and waiting for another? |
Posted By: UV Halo
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 10:13pm
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Carl, I hope you understand this by now but, just to be sure, you can review how the M98 works http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/tippmann/valvedesigns/index.shtml - here . I strongly advise you to read and understand this entire article. Then, you'll understand how the US5 marker works and this will allow you to understand how an EBolt, Etrigger, etc, work. ------------- M98C- W/QwkStrpCut Comp Air & Palmer Fatty Stab Gas-Thru Stock Lapco Sight Rail W/ADCO 30MM EDOT Qloader W/ CMS Freak SS W/Stif-Tip * Flatline * Armson Stealth |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 10:20pm
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ummm... I know exactly how a standard marker works I just was confused as what how the ebolt changed the firing system. |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:01am
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Let's all ease up on Carl. He knows how the gun works he just had a misunderstanding because he is dealing with a different setup. My advice, go regless till you find one that suits your budget and does what you need it to. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:38am
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ok thx I would just make it easy and buy a brand new palmers hp but most of my money is slotted for buying another hpa tank... one TC rated this time lol. |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:39am
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Since you are going with HPA I would think Palmers is overkill. There are regs that are just as good for a bit less.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:40am
| yeah... been trying to find one used, only been seeing 500-600 maxes and not sure 100% if that's worth the risk or it not working. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 8:29pm
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ok... anyways not sure if question is gona get answered so ill ask a different one I want to get a low pressure kit... I want the a-5 outsides but I don't need the insides (they have hopes for cyclone, my us-5 doesn't have a cyclone. Can I use is without the valve? aka with just the low pressure chamber? or is the valve really important? also are there any real advantages to a low pressure hpa tank over a high pressure? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 12 April 2007 at 1:51pm
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The valve is the heart of the lpk. I would say you'd need the valve to see any difference in performance. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:39pm
| do you think the 98 internals, ad the a5 low pressure chamber would work together? |
Posted By: bluecocker33
Date Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:38pm
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Nope doubt the will.
But why would you want them to anyways? As they make a low pressure kit for the 98 Chad ------------- Team Uncanny TAG Sportz Predator Inside |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 12 April 2007 at 5:46pm
| I don't own a 98 |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 8:19pm
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So a question. Could the a5 lpk work on my gun even though I don't have a cyclone? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 8:44pm
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I don't see why it wouldn't. There is nothing to me that says it won't work. With the VA work on your gun? Not familiar with the US5s.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 9:03pm
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hm... looks like the va on the a5 has a veird attachment.... the thing that looks like a fully atached hookit would be the same size, i'm just unsure about the hook think but I guess it wouldn't matter anyways because it also replaces the power tube. so you don't think the hole where the cyclone ataches to would cause an air leakage problem? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 9:18pm
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I really don't know, but I thought the cyclone attached to the power tube. So if you just used the power tube you already have you would be fine. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 9:27pm
| I thought the lpk replaced the powertube? |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 1:09am
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I know that the power tubes are the same on the 98. That doesn't neccesarily mean they are the same on the A5, but I'm willing to bet they are.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 1:54am
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Oops, I see that the Tippmann Low Pressure Kit DOES include the power tube...but is is a standard tube...nothing different about it. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 4:45pm
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woot the hose came in today... Installed and works quite nice... no velocity problems My hpa tank will arrive any day now so i had to test with co2... lets just say it was a bit of a mess... Can liquid co2 in the gun increase ball breaks also? Pis to come when my gauge and tank come in... and when I figure out the batteries. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I would mount the battery? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 11:52pm
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Tank cover.
------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 11:58pm
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What do you mean? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:11am
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I put extra long leads on my battery to store it in my hpa tank cover. There is no room in the grip frame and I don't want to use the ebolt battery box. So I just zip up the battery in my tank cover.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:33am
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woah that's a good idea... I may do that any others (so far though, that is my best) ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:54am
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After looking at pics of the US5, there really aren't many places to put one. You could fabricate some sort of little box out of sheetmetal or something and put it down near the asa. Maybe something right in front of the trigger guard. Also, nice sig. lol. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 4:42pm
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Lol you know it's true. the box itself would fit with some mods to the box.. maybe I will try that I bought an a5 field strip pin which is 1/4" longer than a US-5 one. It may be long enough to pass through.. gona go drill now and find out. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 12:15am
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So tried dremeling and drilling, worked but itin't very stable Looks like i'm doing the tank cover idea. as I asked before: Can liquid co2 in the gun increase ball breaks also? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 9:58am
Yes, because of pressure spikes. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 7:09pm
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Ahh ic... I'm gona blame that on the break lol. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 April 2007 at 12:26pm
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Tank is here My computer is crappd out so no pics till it's fixed unfortunately. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |