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Topic: stock or tank
Posted By: --Red--
Subject: stock or tank
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 2:30pm
Hey I am wondering if I should buy a stock for my a-5 or just use my co2 tank soon to be crossfire 68/4500.
If Just the tank, would you use a drop forward?
This would be ONLY for woodsball.

Thank you very much,Also is the crossfire tank i mentioned, a very good one? good reg and everything no need for another reg?

One more thing, would you guys reccomend getting a firepower upgrade(r/t), or just keep the stock trigger/firepower setup?



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Posted By: VBHARDCORE
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 2:44pm
forget the drop foward get a remote line.

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Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 2:55pm
Ya, if you are going to be in woodsball only get the remote. As for the crossfire, yes they are a very decent brand. Now onto the stock for the stock it's all personal preference some say they help you keep your gun steady me I could careless either way. Last but not least a fire power upgrade is a good upgrade so yes I would purchase one.

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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 3:16pm
No stock, no remote. You probably won't want the stock or remote later. I personally hate using either one. Instead of a firepower right now, maybe get a new barrel that way you don't need firepower to make up for terrible accuracy.


Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 5:04pm
As a woodsballer, I regret getting a stock on my old 98. It looks cool but is hard to maneuver. Stick with the tank. Does your A-5 have any upgrades now? If not, your first upgrades should be a barrel and an air upgrade. Get a regulator not an expansion chamber if you are switching to compressed air.  


Posted By: TIPPY98ACT
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 5:06pm
I happen to feel awkward holding and shooting my gun with out a stock. It just doesn't feel natural to me. Just my opinion. If you do get a R/T or E-grip I recommend that you beef up your cyclone also. You will chew up the stock plastic internals a lot quicker with either choice.

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98 A.C.T
J&J 12"
R/T
Revvy
Tapco Stock

A5
Lapco Bigshot and J&J 12"
E-Grip (A.P.E)
Vortex
Lightning Rod
Q.E.P.H
Richochet Hopper
GTA Double Trigger
Remote Line
Special Op's A5A2 Stock


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 5:14pm
I have an a-5 with a flatline which I despise, and a lapco bigshot, which is more accurate than the flatline lol.Also have an expansion chamber on it, didnt know about regs when i purchased it.There is really no reason to buy a 100 dollar reg with hpa though, im not going for that extra tiny tiny tiny bit of consistency for 100dollars.What do you guys think about the air thru special ops a5a2 stock with a remote line? is it really worth the xtrra 100 bucks to get an air thru stock than use a decent drop forward with my soon to be gettng crossfire 68/4500 with a comfy tank cover?.A remote on a regular stock seems weird to me so if i got one it would be an air thru stock.

EDIT: I dont feel the need for a firepower upgrade, I just want to focus on accuracy,weightstability and over all performance,I can pull the trigger fast enough for me, plenty of paint throwing imo.


Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 5:32pm

If the tank is Steel  you will want a remote.

I like stocks. It all depends on what you like



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Posted By: TIPPY98ACT
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 5:39pm
I have read good things about the air-thru A5A2 http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3838/ - HERE! Some bad things to. I guess the milling at the tombstone adapter can be a pain sometimes. I have the non air-thru version. And love it! I removed my A.S.A and mount my remote line directly into the tombstone.

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98 A.C.T
J&J 12"
R/T
Revvy
Tapco Stock

A5
Lapco Bigshot and J&J 12"
E-Grip (A.P.E)
Vortex
Lightning Rod
Q.E.P.H
Richochet Hopper
GTA Double Trigger
Remote Line
Special Op's A5A2 Stock


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 6:50pm
well the crossfire 68/4500 i believe is carbon wrapped or whatever the white stuff is, so should I still use an air thru with a remote or use a drop?
What would I need to fit a tasco red dot on my gun?


Posted By: netramakin
Date Posted: 14 April 2007 at 10:13pm

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

well the crossfire 68/4500 i believe is carbon wrapped or whatever the white stuff is, so should I still use an air thru with a remote or use a drop?

The answer to that question is all personal, dependent on your setup, the type of game you play and your own preference.  A drop and carbon fiber tank won't be too much heavier than the stock so weight probably isn't an issue.  Each will provide a different balance, though, which may or may not matter to you.  Drops are very popular in Speedball because they allow you to switch hands more easily.  Remotes are popular in Woodsball because you generally do a lot more hiking so it relieves some of the weight of your gun and the accessories you may have on it, plus a drop is hard to crawl around with.  And then, of course, which looks cooler?

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

What would I need to fit a tasco red dot on my gun?

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?SKU=200+0039&SEARCH=FLATTOP%20RAIL - http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=200+0039&SEARCH=FLATTOP%20RAIL



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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 12:12am
Stocks, tanks, it's personal preference.

The advantage to tanks is that you don't add extra weight to the marker if you use it as a stock. The disadvantage is that they don't necessarily fit comfortably against the shoulder. The buttplates for CO2 tanks help though, and a neoprene cover on a compressed air tank will usually add comfort/prevent sliding if it is used as a stock.

Things to think about stocks:
  • They add weight (can be compensated for by going to remote on tank)
  • Make the marker longer which could cause situational disadvantages
  • Any kind of stock (or tank used as one) does increase the stability/comfort of the marker
    • It is possible to get that stability without them though
    • Check out the way some of the pro players hold their markers-locking the elbow against the chest and pulling the marker in tight does decrease the target area, but it also stabalizes the shooting platform (it's just more work than some type of stock)
  • Types of stocks
    • Solid*-unless required for a simulation, these should be avoided as they add weight and don't allow shortening of the marker if needed for added maneuverability
    • Collapseable** stocks-look cool and add the fuctionality of sizing marker to fit user or decreasing size for use in tight spaces; the downside is some are less solid than others
    • Folding-my personal favorite as they provide stability like a solid stock but allow the marker profile to be reduced more than a collapseable one does
Things to think about remote lines:
  • The metal ones provide less "pull" on the marker, but tend to reflect light and make noise when they rub against themselves
  • The coiled ones are quieter and less eye catching, but "pull" on the marker more
    • My understanding is that the "gas-through" stocks tend to mitigate the "pull"
*I'm just discussing semi's and above here. Solid stocks are great on pumps.
**Did I spell that right? I really dislike that word.


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Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 9:45am
Wow thank you so much for the lengthy informative post.
netramakin wowwww I love that mp5 look on your a-5,where did you get that stock and mag? also is that rail you reccomended me the one you have on, and it will for sure hold the tasco red dot sight?


Posted By: paintballer40
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 10:37am

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

well the crossfire 68/4500 i believe is carbon wrapped or whatever the white stuff is, so should I still use an air thru with a remote or use a drop?
What would I need to fit a tasco red dot on my gun?

my uncle has an a5 steath with a remote line and i hate that thing the way the hopper sits forward and there is no weight in the back because it comes with the remote line you are constantly holding the front of the gun up and it sucks



Posted By: netramakin
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 6:21pm

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

netramakin wowwww I love that mp5 look on your a-5,where did you get that stock and mag?

Thanks; both are from OpsGear.  The mag is just an air-through, but its shorter than the SpecOps one and is therefore easier to crawl around with.  You'll hear (read) people on the Marker Gallery saying the SpecOps mag looks too long all the time, too.  The stock gave me some headaches because it lowered my FPS to 220-240 but a set of $10 Maddman springs fixes that.

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

also is that rail you reccomended me the one you have on, and it will for sure hold the tasco red dot sight?

Yes and yes



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"I'm a riddle so strong, you can't break me."


Posted By: paintballer40
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 7:48pm
that gun does look pretty sweet


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 9:06pm
Am I going to need like a raised sight rail or something to be able to see through my tasco red dot?
netramakin, is that stock the 110 dollar one from opsgear? can you see through your sight with your mask on effectiively?

Thanks alot.


Posted By: netramakin
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 10:15pm

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

Am I going to need like a raised sight rail or something to be able to see through my tasco red dot?

Can't say for sure but my brother-in-law has a similar site on an A-5 with an X-7 hopper (slightly smaller profile) and he loses about 1/3 of the field of view without a raised rail but can still see the center with no problem.  I don't use a site too often in paintball, though; only when I have a bead on someone and aren't worrying about my flanks.

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

netramakin, is that stock the 110 dollar one from opsgear?

Yeah, http://www.opsgear.com/Tippmann-A5-Sliding-Stock-MP5-p/mi-stock-mp5-slide-a5.htm - $119 right now

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

can you see through your sight with your mask on effectiively?

Yeah, but each mask is different ( http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=RY0PNM91Q5UPK4lXnv3PnMW8umCW507ERlg=?ProductID=nAnAqArbGx0AAAEPvswTADq5 - this is my primary ) and you shouldn't have to worry about it with a red dot.



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"I'm a riddle so strong, you can't break me."


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 16 April 2007 at 1:42pm
alright so does anyone here really use scopes/red dots when playing woodsball?

Also am I going to need a raised osssetsight rail if im using any stock?


Posted By: c4cypher
Date Posted: 16 April 2007 at 2:38pm

I've used a Red Dot in the past, and I didn't get much benefit without a stock. I've installed a stock now, but I've yet to play with both a stock and a sight ... but considering the erratic balistics involved, you probably aren't going to get a massive benifit from the sight.  As far as a stock is concerned ... well, I currently can't properly sight my red dot with the stock on ... I've bought an offsight rail (thank you Lapco!) but I still need to get either a new sight or a dovetail to weaver adapter to use it the way I want to.  The mask keeps you from getting an effective 'cheek mold' that is neccecary to sight down the top of your marker.

Btw, Red ... how much paintball have you actually played? If you're new to the sport, there are a few forum threads I would reccomend.



Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 April 2007 at 3:41pm

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

alright so does anyone here really use scopes/red dots when playing woodsball?

I play with a scope occasionally.  Useless for aiming, but sometimes handy for spotting/identifying enemies.  Reduces the amount of paint I shoot at treestumps.

But then it gets splattered and is useless for the day.



Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 April 2007 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

alright so does anyone here really use scopes/red dots when playing woodsball?


I use red dot sights on most of my markers. I find them quite useful for making sure the first shot from ambush is on target. (Or at least close to the target; as someone else rightly pointed out, paintballs are inherently inaccurate.)


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Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 16 April 2007 at 6:23pm
I've been using a red dot, took if off the other day since its covered in splatter. haven't had a chance to fully take it apart to clean, but they work ok and usually my first shot is dead on.

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98CP ACT
R/T
J&J Ceramic 14"
Egg II w Z-Board
GTA Inline X-Chamber
NCStar Red-Dot
Pen Spring Mod
Trigger Stops
Polished Internals
Dye Sticky Grip
20oz Co2 w On/Off

Next Up: Spimmy


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 9:12am
cool, so if im using a stock and also want to use a red dot, will I just need to buy a raised sight rail?
Raising the rail won't affect aiming will it?


Posted By: c4cypher
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 11:00am

If you would like my advice?  If you want a stock, buy it and try to play with it on your marker before you dish out the cash for any extra mounts or sights. Once you know how you like to play, you'll have a better idea as to where you want your sight.

You can go with a raised sight rail, but I would google 'Lapco Offset Sight Mount' and see if you would want somthing more like that.

Remember, it's not about picking the 'right' combination of equipment, it's about picking the combination that most fits your own personal needs, and the best way to find out what you need is through actual play and experience.



Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 5:13pm
so does that lapco offset sight mount,mount right on my a-5? And my tasco red dot will bolt right on it?
And are these red dots hard to adjust to get them dead on?

Thanks alot, sorry for so many darned questions,


Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 5:40pm
As long as the sight and barrel are pointed in the same direction there wont be any effect since paintballs dont fly perfectly straight anyways (especially outside)

As for sighting-in or calibration. You need some calibrated targets or the like. And just stand there and take a few shots, and adjust the sight until you think its good.


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98CP ACT
R/T
J&J Ceramic 14"
Egg II w Z-Board
GTA Inline X-Chamber
NCStar Red-Dot
Pen Spring Mod
Trigger Stops
Polished Internals
Dye Sticky Grip
20oz Co2 w On/Off

Next Up: Spimmy


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 6:27pm
so you people that are decent players and use red dots, do you use stocks with them in woodsball?

black: do you play woodsball often with your 98c?


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 12:47am
Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

so you people that are decent players and use red dots, do you use stocks with them in woodsball?

black: do you play woodsball often with your 98c?


Yes, on one of my markers. Even though this specific marker was put together out of my spare parts bin on a whim, it is my favorite marker.  It has a JCS folding stock, Vector M1 sight rail (required much dremel butchering and parts from a broken sight), response trigger, vertical adapter with intruder foregrip/expansion chamber, and a 12" J&J barrel. I've used both red dots and OEG sights on it with great success. The hopper is a ricochet apache because that seems to work best with the sight rail.

Now, even though I am a firm believer in a good sighting system on a marker, I will add this; every player should practice close range/emergency engaagements without using the sights. There is a time for sight usage and there is a time for just knowing where your paint will go when faced with the unexpected within certain ranges.


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Posted By: Rock Slide
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 12:54am

I've always liked my A5 with the stock and running a remote. The gun is well balanced and you have a study, solid shooting platform.

The red dot scope is just for looks. It is sighted in for 50-feet but I never turn it on or use it. Too much of a chance for tunnel vision...



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I bring annihilation

and cheap red wine!


Posted By: c4cypher
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 8:05am

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

so you people that are decent players and use red dots, do you use stocks with them in woodsball?

black: do you play woodsball often with your 98c?

PBReview: http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/2776/ - http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/2776/

The Lapco Offset rail fits on both the 98c and the A-5 ... it mounts a 3/8" dovetail rail above and to the left (or right) of your marker, at a 45 degree angle, a 7/8" weaver tail mount would allow you to mount a sight (light or other accessory) on the side of the marker as well, but I can't stand the pure side mount. Again, I reccomend you know exactly what you want and how you want it before you buy.

Also, know what type of mount the sight you want mounts on, a little online reasearch on dovetail, weaver and picantilly sight mounts may end up saving you money and waisted time.



Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 12:09pm
Rockslide has a cool looking marker. 

I have to disagree with the tunnel vision thing as far as red dots are concerned. I learned to use mine with both eyes open and have never had a problem doing it that way. (I do, however, fall victim to "target fixation" occassionally, but that is something I could do with or without a sight.)


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Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 12:10pm
alright I just red( haha get it) about the different kinds of rails, but what is the advantage to a dovetail over a picatinny or vice versa?

What about the stovepipe hopper offsetter device thingy , anyone use this? looks pretty good to open up your sight view.

sheesh buying a site in paintball is harder than buying a gun.


Posted By: c4cypher
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 1:37pm

In a technical sense, Picantinny is better than weaver is better than dovetail, but all of the systems work, paticularly when it comes to paintball.

I've never heard of a stovepipe hopper ... but that sounds cool.



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Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 2:16pm
http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/4368/

rockslide, I like your gun btw, very nice.

cypher, what all guns do you own?


Posted By: c4cypher
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 2:20pm
Just a 98 Custom ... I've got a CAR stock, drop forward and some two part aftermarket barrel on it ... working on getting it fitted with an offset sight mount and a Tasco Red Dot.

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'Bring the rain!'
http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=165531&PN=5 - New to the game?


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 4:12pm
lol same as me, the (sight and sight mount thing)
You dont use a remote with the stock on?


Posted By: c4cypher
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 4:30pm
Nope, the tank doesn't add that much weight, with the drop it fits nicely under the stock, even when the stock is collapsed ... I haven't needed a remote. There's this guy on ebay who machines cheap drops that minimize the vertical drop while maximize the possible horizontal displacement.

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'Bring the rain!'
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Posted By: netramakin
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 7:57pm

Hey Rockslide,

Is that a Dishka?  Likin' it loud?



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"I'm a riddle so strong, you can't break me."


Posted By: Rock Slide
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:38am
Keeps people's heads down when you want them down...

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I bring annihilation

and cheap red wine!


Posted By: --Red--
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 10:57am
dishka?


Posted By: Rock Slide
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:03pm
DShK is an old Russian heavy machine gun... Often called a dishka.

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I bring annihilation

and cheap red wine!


Posted By: netramakin
Date Posted: 22 April 2007 at 11:39pm

Also: http://www.opsgear.com/Dishka-Flash-Suppressor-p/tts-diska.htm - http://www.opsgear.com/Dishka-Flash-Suppressor-p/tts-diska.h tm



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"I'm a riddle so strong, you can't break me."


Posted By: Snake_98
Date Posted: 23 April 2007 at 6:05pm

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

Also have an expansion chamber on it, didnt know about regs when i purchased it.

Lol can't believe no one really caught this but if you start running hpa you should take your expansion chamber off...it doesn't do anything really...but if you decided to stick with co2 keep it.



Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 23 April 2007 at 6:34pm
I play both woods and speed with my 98, thus the reason i don't like stocks.

Some (few) of the people i play woods with use a stock, one of em uses it for speedball. personally i find they make your gun really long, not a problem in woodsball, but a huge problem in speedball.

Personally i fine if you use a drop and a small-er tank (any co2 tank or a stubby hpa) it works great as a stock, but a really long tank doesnt work well for me, (then again, i am a smaller guy, so a 12oz co2 feels pretty long to me, even with the drop on my custom pro.)

i got a chance to shoot my buddy's CP with a tapco folding stock and it felt long to me, i didn't like it that much. but my buddy swears by it, ive seen him play speedball with it and do suprisingly well.

its all personally prefrence i guess


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98CP ACT
R/T
J&J Ceramic 14"
Egg II w Z-Board
GTA Inline X-Chamber
NCStar Red-Dot
Pen Spring Mod
Trigger Stops
Polished Internals
Dye Sticky Grip
20oz Co2 w On/Off

Next Up: Spimmy



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