teamarmyofone wrote: im a woodsball sniper and i want to know wat a good barrrel should be im have a 20 inch and a 14 inch barrel right now is there any other barrels i should no aboutr and information or help would be helpful so please help me thank you

1) snipers do not exist in paintball, stop listening to special ops paintball,.... they are nothing more than a B.S. advertising campaign, nothing they say is based on fact.

2) a 20 inch barrel is too long, any barrel over 14 inches has no greater increase in accuracy and the amount of air needed to propel the paintball increases (less air efficient). 14 to 12 inches is ideal.

1) snipers do not exist in paintball .

The practice does , but the reality is in your mind , If you can hit them , they CAN hit you..... there goes the sniper thing.......

Shadowminion wrote: 1) snipers do not exist in paintball . The practice does , but the reality is in your mind , If you can hit them , they CAN hit you..... there goes the sniper thing.......

Hmm well here is the definition of a sniper:

NOUN:

1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place

Yes you can snipe in paintball for anyone who is not a sniper (in real life) what makes you think that you cant snipe in PB? i see no diffrence from what I do in PB and RL. except in PB i work alone in RL i work with another. so in pb  (woodsball) i wear a gillie suit (so now im consealed) I take my shot from a distance.(they get tagged) Now i relocate. sounds like sniping to me. hmm and in real life. im concealed, I take my shot, and my spotter lets me know if we need to relocate.

but their is no logic to sniping in speedball obviously. but im really curious to why people think you cant snipe in PB and im asumming this is coming from people who have no idea what it is to be a sniper. but please explain.

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Wow...

He's a troll right?

nothing to say other than "hes a troll" and hes dense. lol ok

Dense: a fitting term to describe someone who can't listen to reason or at least consider the other arguement.

Troll: All the posts of yours that I've seen here have just been made to provoke a flame war.

You are either dense because you are refusing to search, to come to a logical conclusion or you are a troll because you don't want to search as you are just trying to start a fight.

well carl look at my post count its very small. most of us belong to other bogs, threads and whatever. im droping the note just to see the opinions of the people who would happen to look in here since this is of interest to them. no instigation intended. and as to being dense if you read the post above their isnt much to grab most of the people just said their is no snipng. but im starting to notice this site is full of fire.

For the full definition of "Sniping" look up some old posts made by a member named "Old Soldier" , there you will find an exhaustive description of what sniping is,,, and what it is NOT..

OS also covers ambushes and other , more easily applicable tactics that (quite literally) apply to what people consider to be sniping in Paintball . There are many skills of stealth , cover , concealment that can and are used every day in paintball , thats part of the game .

As I said , the practice exists , but the reality cannot .

If your playing paintball and trying to be a "sniper" by hidding really well and taking a few well placed shots, then your bushwacking, not sniping.

leeyoungsb75 wrote:  but im starting to notice this site is full of fire.

And you are pouring gasoline on it

It should have been obvious through either searching or just looking at the first few posts that snipers are a touchy subject here.

Oh and ibtl

You really are jealous, aren't you? Should have gotten the Karni when you had the chance.

Damn don't even talk about that

as soon as I move out after high school, that's the first thing i'm buying

but I still believe that cocker owners are a cult

i agree with leeyoungsb75
If you have a ghillie suit and hide well, you can really take out other players.  Yes if you can shoot them they can shoot you, but if they cant see you then they cant shoot you. Distance shooting isnt the importance, its the hiding and tactics that r.

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Can we just ignore that and bork this thread?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Soe-fbP17VY - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Soe-fbP17VY  

no such thing as a paintball sniper.  clearly you havent played very long.  if you did, you would know that snipers dont exist. and you would no that a 20 inch barrell is irrational.

• Your previous thread was closed by a moderator, that is usually a hint that it was not a good thread.  Consequently, it makes very little sense to open a new thread on the same topic.

leeyoungsb75 wrote: Hmm well here is the definition of a sniper: NOUN: A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place Yes you can snipe in paintball for anyone who is not a sniper (in real life) what makes you think that you cant snipe in PB? i see no diffrence from what I do in PB and RL. except in PB i work alone in RL i work with another. so in pb  (woodsball) i wear a gillie (it's ghillie, with an "h") suit (so now im consealed (it's concealed, your way sounds like you're trying to pull tricks on ocean critters ) I take my shot from a distance.(they get tagged) Now i relocate. sounds like sniping to me. hmm and in real life. im concealed, I take my shot, and my spotter lets me know if we need to relocate. but their is no logic to sniping in speedball obviously. but im really curious to why people think you cant snipe in PB and im asumming this is coming from people who have no idea what it is to be a sniper. but please explain.

• Your pro-sniper arguments are lame.
• The dictionary definition you use essentially defines every woodsballer as a sniper.  (None of the people I play with ever ambush anyone by waiting for their potential targets out in the open or providing a warning before they shoot.)  Since this means that according to you everyone that plays in the woods is a sniper, there becomes no need for a special label.
  
• The common meaning of the word sniper carries a connotation of someone who can engage targets from beyond the range of effective return fire.  Given the state of paintball technology, that is not a possibility except for in certain circumstances that are much more dependent upon terrain than the skills/playstyles of the players involved.
• The AF does not have a sniper program.  It does have a counter-sniper program; however, unless you are security forces, it is highly unlikely that you received that training.
• Considering the disdain you displayed for ground combat troops in http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=166788&PN=1 - the other sniper thread , I doubt you are security forces.
• You should also show a little more respect for the ground pounders.  It doesn't matter how much ordinance the AF can drop on a location, it doesn't belong to U. S. Forces until there are boots on the ground with rifles in hand.
• Other notes on the AF counter-sniper program:
• The M4 was never in consideration for this mission.  Initial thought was to use scoped M16s (squad marksman concept) but this changed as the program developed.  I believe they finally went with the same thing the army uses (M24-modified Remington).
• Initial planning called for employment primarily to counter hostile snipers. By snipers, I do not mean professionals; the doctrine was directed toward terrorists taking pot shots.  (The Mujs with AKs that Sr-Crewchief mentioned in the other thread linked above.) 
  
• Employment has expanded more towards scout/recon duties for warzone employment and support/interdiction use for support of vulnerable stateside missions.
• Air Guard counter-sniper training is conducted at Camp Robinson Arkansas.  The active duty snipers attend both this school and the Army Sniper school at Ft Benning GA.  (Ft Benning billets are restricted to active duty AF personnel because of limited availability.) 
  
• The AF considered their own school, but wisely decided to allow experts to train their troops as opposed to creating a program from scratch.
• When the AF designed their counter-sniper program, the plan was to only utilize NCO's in this role. I know they later changed that to SrA (E-4) as the minimum rank.  I wasn't aware they dropped it lower.
  

Well after watching the youtube vid im withdrawing my claim to snipeing in PB and i dont care about my grammer here at all that is not why i come here. i type fast and never care to spell check because i am multi-tasking. and i never said i was a sniper for the AF or air guard. and maybe i typed it s little fast but i never actually said that an m4 was BEING used as a snipeing weapon. but what ever im not going to get into with you. I agree, i agree jesus. I have never seen people act so childish in my entire life (not you mack) but others in general. all the people who responded to my post that represent the US armed forces. losing your cool over a thread. Im man enough to say that "hey i changed my mind and i agree with you" instead of trying to bash someone and "point" out some grammer errors throw some "hateful words" im just surprised. other who have disagreed with me but were not idiots i sent them Pm's to some reference to their opinion on the subject and they gave it to me. im just goona shut up now and wait for more flames form the same people. and to show im not pathetic i will say it again " IMO their is no sniping in PB" my opinion was changed by tonton a new member. which i thought that a veteran member should have.

leeyoungsb75 wrote: Well after watching the youtube vid im withdrawing my claim to snipeing in PB and i dont care about my grammer here at all that is not why i come here. i type fast and never care to spell check because i am multi-tasking. and i never said i was a sniper for the AF or air guard. and maybe i typed it s little fast but i never actually said that an m4 was BEING used as a snipeing weapon. but what ever im not going to get into with you. I agree, i agree jesus. I have never seen people act so childish in my entire life (not you mack) but others in general. all the people who responded to my post that represent the US armed forces. losing your cool over a thread. Im man enough to say that "hey i changed my mind and i agree with you" instead of trying to bash someone and "point" out some grammer errors throw some "hateful words" im just surprised. other who have disagreed with me but were not idiots i sent them Pm's to some reference to their opinion on the subject and they gave it to me. im just goona shut up now and wait for more flames form the same people. and to show im not pathetic i will say it again " IMO their is no sniping in PB" my opinion was changed by tonton a new member. which i thought that a veteran member should have.

As for a new member pointing it out: Not really. He found a vid of what we've been saying for YEARS here. That is why we say search, and flame the sniper kiddies. It is so rediculously redundant.

I'll go one better - if a post is dense with bad grammar/spelling, I just stop reading altogether.

How's that for poor communications?

The occasional typo is one thing - not bothering to make your posts even moderately user-friendly is something else. 

well ill try to proof read before i post but the internet is just full of so much knowledge that i cant help but run 4 windows at once. 

leeyoungsb75 wrote: well ill try to proof read before i post but the internet is just full of so much knowledge that i cant help but run 4 windows at once.

Commas are nice.

Even something as simple as capitalization goes a long way.

When you are talking in a sentence like that, it is better to use four instead of 4, but that's up to you.

---Not meaning to flame but those are very simple things that help a lot.

*capitalization

*sentence

:P

Clark Kent wrote: *capitalization *sentence :P

What the hell are you talking about?

Nice.

:)

There are no snipers ... I'm a paintball ninja. 

Anyone know how you hyperlink in a sig?

Nothing on google is working for me.