It has nothing to do with being black-it has to do with arrogance and the self absobed ego trips that run rampant in Hollywood and the music industry.

And white guys are doing it every day.

ok, she does NOT look 14. she definitely looks older

edit-not saying what he did was right based on that, but i can see where he thought she was older. its weird doing that on stage anyway though

travis75 wrote: What a bad person.  I would say something about how ~90% of all black people i know are just as bad or worse, but thats racist.

I see.

Some white guys shoot a bunch of people in a school, and those guys are bad.

Some Korean guy shoots a bunch of people in a school, and he is bad.

Some black guy fakes sex on stage, he is bad and OMG HE'S BLACK!

High Voltage wrote: I'm calling shens, just look at the freakin' website you linked to... Yes, he went too far on stage as I would not pay to see a rapper hump a woman accross it, at least, not Akon. However, they have a lot more of her pictures at the bottom of that page, and she definitely looks older than 14. Age of consent in that country is 16 btw, and she looks much closer to that age or older. Yes I know looks can be decieving, underage b&, JB threads in /b/ etc. Secondly, the article states he shocked an audience, they looked more thrilled than shocked. Again, look at the site you linked.. celebrity gossip, oh that's credible.

Anybody else notice the irony of the song in the backround?

I'm a little surprised that you people are so surprised...

It's not like faking sex (or not-so-faking sex) on stage during a music show is new or original.  Been done, oh-so-many times.

The only quasi-news here is that the girl apparently turned out to be a little younger than she looked and acted.  And I am sure that no other 14-year-olds have ever faked sex (or not-so-faked)...?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I just don't see the excitement.

So I finally watched the video, and now I REALLY don't see what the big deal is.  If she is just a couple of years older I have absolutely zero issue with this, and deem it fairly mild stage entertainment.  You people need to get out more.

She is certainly on the young end of the preferred age range here, given Akon's age, but that's the only real concern - and I can't blame Akon for thinking she was older.

Razgriz Ghost wrote: Not caring, Akon sucks regardless

Interesting point. And what band/groups/singer would you consider better?

I thought I explained myself clearly, any one is better then akon imo. I just can't stomach his music, opinion? You bet, but I mean it. To be more specific I like keane much better.

Best bands? I can't choose between a few bands, I like so many.

All I know is that I have had Busta Rhymes' "Break Ya Neck" on repeat in the car for the last two days.  Good stuff.

Eventually I'll listed to the rest of the CD.

Thanks for giving examples Clark. I like Busta's earlier stuff, although "Break Ya Neck" does have a great beat to it.

I don't listen to much Akon, but if I'm going to state that he sucks at least I'll give bands that I like as examples when asked.

I'm new to Busta Rhymes.  What would be his "earlier stuff"?

(And apologies for derailing your efforts to nail down Razriz to actual specifics)

Dune wrote: I got the point. I would just like to know who you consider the best bands out there. Specific examples, non of this dodging because you're afraid someone else is going to make fun of your choice.

and thats sad.

Razgriz Ghost wrote: Muse, keane, genesis, metallica, aerosmith, yellowcard, taking back sunday, I listen to a wide varry of music, sry I couldn't be specific dune.

Well you have to save face somehow. It's just interesting to see what someone does like who say's something else "sucks." Humorous for the most part.

Ok then, glad I could ammuse I guess.

Clark Kent wrote: I'm new to Busta Rhymes.  What would be his "earlier stuff"? (And apologies for derailing your efforts to nail down Razriz to actual specifics)

The Coming was a good album, his first solo. Extinction (1998) was also a pretty good album. 

choopie911 wrote: And you guys seem to be missing a fair part of this. He told women that there was a contest, and the winner gets to go to africa. So he got these women up on stage, and tossed them around. This one happened to be 14, you can make a big deal out of that if you want to or not, it could easily be a mistake...but still...looks like he's being a total a-hole to her.

Well, if this was non-consensual, then it is battery and obviously inappropriate.  If it was under the guise of a trip to Africa, then she is entitled to a trip to Africa.  Simple.

I'll give Akon credit for some catchy songs-that's a higher level than most rap achieves to. Rap is one of the few genres of music I actually prefer the more commercialized forms to the bare, raw stuff.

As far as character, most rappers are a-holes who promote abuse to women, so no shock here. He's just doing what millions of people pay him to do-set the female gender back a couple hundred years or so.

brihard wrote: Razgriz Ghost wrote: And your "g" key? LOL Clark can't find the g.

More likely, I just wore it out.

Clark Kent wrote: brihard wrote: Razgriz Ghost wrote: And your "g" key? LOL Clark can't find the g. More likely, I just wore it out.

Ohh snap!

What is that site's hangup with black people and Don Imus?

Good lord.

stratoaxe wrote: I'll give Akon credit for some catchy songs-that's a higher level than most rap achieves to. Rap is one of the few genres of music I actually prefer the more commercialized forms to the bare, raw stuff. As far as character, most rappers are a-holes who promote abuse to women, so no shock here. He's just doing what millions of people pay him to do-set the female gender back a couple hundred years or so.

sigh.

Fuller response when I get home.

"and Akon’s dry humping is supported" - i can't help but laugh at that lol.

and of course the brother is going to say "it's not the parents fault"..it's his parents also. and she had the choice to go up there... if the "my friends made me do it" is working here, then it can work for anything, and get anyone off the hook. and if her friend "had her back", they wouldn't have "made" her go on stage. the whole thing is bogus, and akon is the last person who is to blame. the parents are irresponsible, the girl is a skanky hoe, the bouncers didn't do their job, and the friends are pushy and obviously not her friends. rapid fire is also right, 2 completly different faces, crying in front of daddy, but lovin the attention on stage. the whole thing is rediculous.

Gatyr wrote: I'll give Akon credit for some catchy songs-that's a higher level than most rap achieves to. Rap is one of the few genres of music I actually prefer the more commercialized forms to the bare, raw stuff. As far as character, most rappers are a-holes who promote abuse to women, so no shock here. He's just doing what millions of people pay him to do-set the female gender back a couple hundred years or so.

Unless you are an avid fan of rap, chances are you haven't heard "most rappers."

The crap you see/hear on MTV or the radio is only fueled by a cycle of capitalism. People "dissed" other people, and made millions. Now, rappers diss people to make millions, and make millions by dissing people (plus some other equally retarded crap that people find cool)

The majority of rap you don't hear is very little like that, though. Aside from the underground rappers saying the same thing as mainstream rappers just to try to get more money, the majority of small time/lesser known rappers are rather eloquent with their words regarding women, or just don't mention them at all.

^^^^   You know, I keep hearing that argument from genre connoisseurs for a variety of genres - "the jazz you hear on the radio is just the sellouts, man".

While this may be literally true, is this really a useful statement?  When somebody says "I don't like metal", don't we really know what they mean - that they don't like the metal they have heard in public venues?  "Country music is just about people losing their jerbs" - don't we know what they mean, even though there is plenty of "underground country" that doesn't involve any jerblosing?

Sure, yeah - there is tons and tons of rap/metal/jazz/country/whatever music that most people outside of the inside haven't heard.  But is that relevant?  I think we all knew what was meant here with this generalization about rappers, and while it is quite possible that there is a whole underworld of "other" rappers, that's pretty much irrelevant, isn't it?  Shouldn't we judge the generalization by how it applies to mainstream rappers, since that is really who he was talking about?

Gatyr wrote: Long argumanet short: We typically don't approve of generalizations or stereotyping for anything else, why should music (and the people that make it) be different?

Interesting parallel...   :)

Let me rephrase:  Rap =/= Rap.

If I say "I like rap", by "rap" I mean "pop rap".  "Underground rap" might as be a different genre altogether.  I am not generalizing from "pop rap" to "underground rap" - I am not addressing or making a statement about "underground rap" at all, any more than I am addressing metal, whether "pop metal" or "underground metal".