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Topic: which is better an ak47 or m16?
Posted By: zombie00
Subject: which is better an ak47 or m16?
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 9:45pm
in my opinion i think the ak47 and the m16 are alot alike except for the round size your opinion on this i would like to hear it.



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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 9:46pm
Yes


Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 9:50pm
No


Posted By: phillll227
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yes


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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 9:53pm
m16

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Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:01pm

Mp 40



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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:16pm
Maybe


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by zombie00 zombie00 wrote:

in my opinion i think the ak47 and the m16 are alot alike except for the round size your opinion on this i would like to hear it.


Everything I need to know about firearms I learned form playing counterstrike. M4 FTW.


Edit- typo.


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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:34pm
Which is the one that fires explosive poison darts?

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:




Originally posted by zombie00 zombie00 wrote:

in my opinion i think the ak47 and the m16 are alot alike except for the round size your opinion on this i would like to hear it.
Everything I need to know about firearms I learned form playing goldeneye


Same.

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:39pm
Phase plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:40pm


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:42pm
Linus wins.











I never, ever thought I'd say that.


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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:56pm
What kind of question is that? M16 hands down.

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Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 11:16pm
until it jams.

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 11:21pm
Originally posted by kuhndog599 kuhndog599 wrote:

until it jams.


Not if you clean it properly, which any half competent soldier can do- at least all the ones I trained know how to...


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Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

I never, ever thought I'd say that.


Yea.. I like to surprise people sometimes.


And don't get me started on cleaning the M-16A2 Service Rifle.

I still remember my serial number.. 6546253


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 12:00am
Cleaning it to inspection standard on a course so your instructor can run through it with a white glove, and cleaning it so it's serviceable are two very different beasts. Getting the problematic carbon buildup out takes little time, and then you just lube the snot out of it, sand or no sand. I'd take it over an AK any day.


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Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 12:05am
RCP 90


Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 12:08am
Pink Eye lube anyone?


Gah.


Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 12:20am
So, zombie, whose gimmick account are you?


Posted By: zombie00
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 12:25am
gimmick yeah.. that was beyond random... 


Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 12:31am
Gimmick account is gimmicky.


Posted By: What to do?
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:06pm

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

So, zombie, whose gimmick account are you?

 

Wow, we really do get off topic a lot here lately....XD



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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by What to do? What to do? wrote:

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

So, zombie, whose gimmick account are you?

 

Wow, we really do get off topic a lot here lately....XD



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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

RCP 90


I'm sure you are missing a character of some sort somewhere in there.

Gah. To long since I played that game.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:44pm
Laptop gun

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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 10:52pm
Throwing Knives.

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Posted By: What to do?
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 11:06pm

Originally posted by travis75 travis75 wrote:

Throwing Knives.

Ahh the memories of seeing little childeren in Wal-mart playing the demo of that game.... but they threw knives at the guy/girl's butt and thought it was funny....



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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 11:16pm
ak i think is better bc its a bigger round and almost never jams. m16 is easy to break down and clean though


Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 11:32pm
AK47.


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Posted By: Slothbutt
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:07am
If you have a modern well trained army, M16.

If you have a rag tag group that has no training, AK47.

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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:18am

Originally posted by Slothbutt Slothbutt wrote:

If you have a modern well trained army, M16.

If you have a rag tag group that has no training, AK47.

not necesarily true, i would base it more on the mission and the size round needed. some of the best armies have used the ak, russia for example. they matched us during the cold war



Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:57am
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

RCP 90


I'm sure you are missing a character of some sort somewhere in there.

Gah. To long since I played that game.



I think not


Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 1:02am
Yes choop one of my top 10 games.

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 1:05am

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

RCP 90


I'm sure you are missing a character of some sort somewhere in there.

Gah. To long since I played that game.



I think not

Fond memories of dual-wielding that thing.



Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:37pm

I've only shot an m16 in BCT, and mine rarely ever jammed after being cleaned every not.

The only advantage an AK really has a larger round over the M16's 5.56.  I'd like to see most people use stock AK ironsights and consistently hit a 300 meter target.  I'm sure it can be done, but not as likely as an M16.



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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:42pm

The Ak barrel is crap. When trying to shoot multiple rounds the barrel starts to bend everywhere creating inconsistant shots.

The m16 is more accurate.



Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 12:44pm
Goldeneye is such a great game. I mite play it later today just for memories sake.


Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

The Ak barrel is crap. When trying to shoot multiple rounds the barrel starts to bend everywhere creating inconsistant shots.

The m16 is more accurate.

 

The m16a1 barrel does the same thing when fired enough times.  The m249 and m240 do it damn near every time, that's why you never leave the FOB without extra barrels.



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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

The Ak barrel is crap. When trying to shoot multiple rounds the barrel starts to bend everywhere creating inconsistant shots.

The m16 is more accurate.

 

The m16a1 barrel does the same thing when fired enough times.  The m249 and m240 do it damn near every time, that's why you never leave the FOB without extra barrels.

Lawlz, you beat me to it. AK barrel's are stout-and ounce for ounce the AK is far more durable than the M-16. Like you pointed out though, the AK's sighting setup leaves much to be desired out past a hundred yards or so, combined with a super stiff trigger pull and a tad harder kick than an M-16.

AK's were designed to mass produce and be rugged-you can put an AK through horrible conditions and pick it up and fire, which is why it's a legend in third world countries around the world. M-16's are designed for fast combat where target aquisition, accuracy, weight, and maneuverability give an advantage over the opposition.

Otherwise, myself I can't use AK sights worth jack crap, so for me the M-16 (or better yet, the AR-10) is an easier choice. Give me an M-1A over either any day though.



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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 1:34pm

Golden Eye pwned.

I want to get a .40 S&W M16. Theres a huge list of available calibers, even .50!

Im not sure if its .40 S&W, but I know for a fact theres .44, 7.62, and 9mm as well as others. It was in Guns and Ammo a month or two back

 



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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 1:54pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0&mode=related&search= - I'd say they both have their advantages.


Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 2:18pm

Thats a good link, but I think the accuracy test proves it all.  What good is a larger round if you can't hit anything with it?

Either way, I should be getting my M4 here in about September (leaving for Iraq), I'll be sure to let you guys know how it compares to the M16.



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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 5:46pm
I have to say AK47 because it shoots harder than M16 (look at battles and wars between countries in jungle areas) the ak47 shoots through the trees the M16 does not. And the AK47 never jams it can withstand alot of abuse.( kinda like a tippmann :)

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by jordanpischke jordanpischke wrote:

I have to say AK47 because it shoots harder than M16 (look at battles and wars between countries in jungle areas) the ak47 shoots through the trees the M16 does not. And the AK47 never jams it can withstand alot of abuse.( kinda like a tippmann :)

Someone else want to take this?


Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 7:01pm

I know i know it isnt accurate I saw stratoaxes thing and rovocops video. but stratoaxe  did mention what i was trying to say that it was made to shoot. Robocops video mentions what i was trying to say about the power.



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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 7:05pm
OK folks, from having been on the recieving end of AK's and SKS's and still here that should be a testiment to the accuracy of the weapon(s). At short range the AK is intimidating, but I prefere the bucking inaccuracy of ricky bad guy armed with an AK, than a trained trooper with an M16 or any of the family. I will hit you at 25-400m plus with an M16 and those 5.56 rounds (you do should more than one) will usually get the disired result. I still am not a big fan of the smaller 5.56, but the lack of motivation shown by the bad guy from the wounding will still get him to re-think his position. The AK was designed for advancing assault fire as Soviet troops advanced alongside thier APC, not for any type of accurate fire. Now a bad guy with an SVD,or an old M91/30 differant story.

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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by jordanpischke jordanpischke wrote:

I know i know it isnt accurate I saw stratoaxes thing and rovocops video. but stratoaxe  did mention what i was trying to say that it was made to shoot. Robocops video mentions what i was trying to say about the power.



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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 9:37pm
m16 are more accurate, and quiet, but they jam easier

ak47's are terrible at long range, much more reliable, louder.

i would say overall, m16 is better, and if you know how to maintain it, and take the time to care for the thing that is saving your life, it should be no problem.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 10:55pm

Originally posted by jordanpischke jordanpischke wrote:

I have to say AK47 because it shoots harder than M16 (look at battles and wars between countries in jungle areas) the ak47 shoots through the trees the M16 does not. And the AK47 never jams it can withstand alot of abuse.( kinda like a tippmann :)

Neither round shoots through trees, you fail.



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Posted By: Slothbutt
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by jordanpischke jordanpischke wrote:

I have to say AK47 because it shoots harder than M16 (look at battles and wars between countries in jungle areas) the ak47 shoots through the trees the M16 does not. And the AK47 never jams it can withstand alot of abuse.( kinda like a tippmann :)


Neither round shoots through trees, you fail.



eh.. depends how big the tree is.
A 7.62x39 round will go through more tree then a 5.56x45.
Don't really matter though, the targets are people not trees and both have been proven to kill people just fine.

I wouldn't say one is better then the other. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 12:17am
Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:


The m16a1 barrel does the same thing when fired enough times. The m249 and m240 do it damn near every time, that's why you never leave the FOB without extra barrels.



Who cares about the M16A1? We use the M16A4.


Posted By: lt redneck
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 1:02am

the ak-47 is way more reliable but not as accurate

the m16 is way more accurate but less reliable than the ak.

id rather the few shots i take count than throw many that dont count

 

oh and jordan  to say the ak never jams isnt entirely true.  many civilian models have an issue where the barrel is not notched in a way to lift the next round into the barrel. causing it to jam up.  but its a simple pull back bolt and shake to fix problem.



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Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 8:56am
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