do you play with honour or do you cheat?
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Topic: do you play with honour or do you cheat?
Posted By: p_p_b_h
Subject: do you play with honour or do you cheat?
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:25pm
| id like to know how many honourable and true players, and how many people are cheaters, wipers, those who full auto and slaughter walk ons and do all to win unfairly. |
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:26pm
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:29pm
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I wipe, I don't need full auto, and 285 is the perfect velocity.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:36pm
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I cheat whenever possible. I wipe, ramp, jack my velocity to 400fps, bribe the refs, sabotage other people's gear, blackmail the opposing team coach, and knife the other team's players if I can. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:36pm
| I wipe... if i don't things start to itch and smell kinda bad. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:37pm
i wipe in tournys, when its needed to win practice and rec, no ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
636andy636. wrote:Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:39pm
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At practice or a rec game I dont wipe. When pride and money are on the line, I do though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:40pm
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I don't cheat. It's a game. If you get shot out, deal with it.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:44pm
QFT. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 3:45pm
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i cheat like a mofo. always wipe, because you know they are too, and sometimes ramp. 300 is fine velocity, anything much higher the balls break.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 4:12pm
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What is "honour"? ------------- 
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 4:13pm
idk, i would also like to know what colour is. ------------- 
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Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 4:29pm
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REF TOWEL THERES PAINTBALLS ON MY LENS. ------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 5:05pm
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I play on with anything but gun hits, as long as it's not going to get a 1 for 1 called(tourney)......I like my team and would rather not get kicked off for dumb penalties.. The guy that runs it made someone sit 2 tournaments for yelling at a ref.. Practice I don't care though. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 5:48pm
I think it's a kind of Canadian fish. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 6:03pm
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I wipe, fire response mode, and keep my velocity around 250. I also beat down ref's who try to call me on wiping.
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 6:12pm
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 6:36pm
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sounds like you want to take out some anger on the forum members here. Be carefull.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 6:38pm
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Yep. Some of our forumers have rabies. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 7:59pm
I couldn't vote because I never wipe but we all put our velocity most of the way up, we all know it and are fine with it. We just have to be carefull not to hit each other in the nuts. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 8:01pm
Those are the British spellings. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 8:55pm
| I bring a real gun on the field. |
Posted By: bishopisback
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 9:15pm
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Where is the option "I don't even play paintball anymore"? ------------- 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 10:09pm
I believe it's at the top right corner of your browser. Pretty easy to find once you realize the thread doesn't pertain to you. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 10:24pm
thats great, people who dont play paintball always feel the need to announce it to everyone, like there proud of it or something, drives me nuts... ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Gunchicken
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 10:39pm
| whats the point in cheating, it takes all the fun out of the game. |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 10:43pm
No they are fish. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 11:02pm
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For the most part, attempting to discuss this topic with certain individuals is
like trying to discuss the merits of abstinence with Jenna Jameson. Complete waste of time. ------------- If I flee, kill me If I die, avenge me |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 11:07pm
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I am vaguely disappointed by this thread... I had such high hopes. :( |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 11:43pm
LOL. Last time this subject came up I had a newbie very hapily agreeing with my huge rant against ever wiping, while the entire time it was pretty obvious I was referring to my butt.  Anyone else remember that?
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 11:59pm
| I play for DYNASTY and I can tell you that I never jack up my velocity, I don't wipe but I will full auto a full hopper on any walk-on fool that I can unless the ref's state specific nub rules due to the nub-look of the walk-ons or if the walk-ons specifically say "hey dudes, look man, I'm a nub walk-on so please make a no-bunker rule and take it easy on me". |
Posted By: Nagash1959
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 1:12am
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So for practice you take out people who couldn't possibly defend themself from your gun? Nice. Only time I wipe is when I get shot by someone we've caught wiping all day. We act like the guy just isn't there at that point.The Ref was even getting the joke of calling the game over when taht one guy was left on his team. Turning the velocity up too high is just dangerous, and I can't afford to be sued. ------------- 98 Custom Cyclone Double E-Trigger Polished Internals Freak kit X-chamber CP Drop w/On/Off |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 1:32am
Do you have a CCW? ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 1:43am
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I don't cheat. I have a few times before, but now the only infraction I make is unintentionally playing on when a shot hits somplace I neither saw nor felt. It's pretty childish and immature to want to cheat for ANY reason (unless loosing would mean your literal death). I mean, you must really suck as a player if it takes being dishonerable to win. Cheating wont teach you to improve your skills and is pretty much stealing from the other player. Not only from his victory but some money (in paint) too. It's not a part of the game that everybody is involved with. I don't care that other sports have cheating too. The only rules covering cheating are penalties and it remains that way because such behavior does not belong. If you admit to cheating, grow up and learn how to play the game properly. ------------- 
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 1:49am
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 9:24am
Yes |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 2:06pm
I agree.....I just don't go out because who cares? I know everyone I play with and I know I got shot..... I guess it depends on the seriousness we are playing. Fun=play on like crazy playing to actually practice=get out unless specified otherwise..... ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 3:09pm
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Styro and Tolgak: I agree with you, I just didn't want to go off on another rant about cheaters and start everyone posting whiney justifications for it. (By the way I play pump occasionally, but I mostly play semi.)
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 6:10pm
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Win if you can. Lose if you must. But always, always cheat! ------------- 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:02am
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best response yet IMO |
Posted By: benttwig33
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 3:49am
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I wipe in tourneys ONLY if im on the further end of the crowd/refs and I know I can get away with it :P
Cant turn up elocity on field (stupid anyway...chops, et..) And it always helps to stab the opponent in the knee couple f times pre-game. ------------- Sig is WAY too big. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:00pm
Word. I really suck to badly to know how to play the game properly. What the hell do I know about playing paintball? -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:00pm
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I only wipe when I am playing against a bunch of people who are wiping themselves. Otherwise, no. ------------- 
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:02pm
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Wiping doesnt mean you suck at the game, it just means you = smarter than the ref.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:14pm
Obviously people that wipe suck at paintball Gayder, duh. I mean, I know I couldn't beat anyone that is better than those who wipe. Quit lying to yourself. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:30pm
| omg if i see you guyz at a field i'm gonna lite you guyz up because I'm better than you and don't wipe!!! you gonna get a whole hopper in the nutz! |
Posted By: lt redneck
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 1:05pm
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no wiping means your skills are not as good as the other guys. when you wipe your saying i suck and this is the only way i can get another try to beat this guy.
i dont wipe and if i catch someone wiping they are not welcome to return ever. besides in a game where money isnt at stake just go with 3 balls broken your out. games last a bit longer that way and if you get hit once you know your plan didnt wirk too well. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 1:09pm
So you are conceding that for those of us who do play for money, it is acceptable for us to wipe? -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 2:08pm
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Yes, I stand by my statement that I'm saying you suck at the game. If you cheat and win, then it's only fair to say that you didn't beat the other team at paintball, but you beat them through sucking... because you had to suck in order to feel the need to initiate the cheat. As you can probably tell, I take a lot of offense to wipers because I play pump. I earned that one shot on you and if you wipe it off, I've got no retaliation. As much as I'd like to light people up for sucking like that, I can only get a ball every 1 to 3 seconds with a huge change in my aim between those shots if I try any faster. As for the money issue. There are only a few people in the world who play tournament paintball to make their livings. Nobody ever needs the money that badly anyway, especially teams with sponsorships. Also, by wiping and winning as a result, you are stealing that money from other people. That also includes the money it takes to shoot you out. As a pump player, I've been robbed a few days of play money by wipers. I know it doesn't take much for me to play, but that money adds up over time. I also have to add that people who wipe are not only scum within the game, but outside the game as well. The dishonerable ones are always the ones who try to con and steal from others and are the ones with the attitude problems that are killing the enjoyment of honorable players. They tend to be crybabies too. You are the reason why fields and honorable teams shut down and take away all the work that people put into paintball. If you want my tournament experience, it's not much. 3 games in the SPPL Georgia qualifier. The first round I was chosen as commander, which means loosing me looses the team 5 points. We got overran a lot because the other team was a group of awesome, honorable players (who won the qualifier last year and this year). I called myself out each time I got shot that first game for a total loss of 20 points. The second game another player was commander and he too took the hits. The third game our commander didn't get shot. That second game, we pretty much tied that team. That team was full of cheaters. Those people screwed everyone over. They screwed our team out of the chance to play in the qualifier semi-finals, which as a result would have taken us to the SPPL finals in Oklahoma. Since we can't go, it also screwed our team members out of a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be a player in a paintball video game. By getting our place as a result of the disgusting amount of wiping the other team did, we lost the promise of funds from our school, which is the only reason we could afford to go to the SPPL in the first place. We also lost the chance of getting some other sponsors in the future. There were honorable players on that team too. What did the cheaters do to them? Those honorable players, by being associated with the cheaters, are not allowed to compete in next year's SPPL tournament. The team is banned completely from the tournament (to my knowledge). Other teams also got screwed because that one team had to cheat. The cheaters showed no regret for their actions and the honorable players on that team had their emotions crushed. People like you ruin the game and have come close to destroying the team I play on. And it's all because you suck at paintball... because you think it's more important to practice wiping and other cheating than it is to practice your game-related skills. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 2:33pm
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Ha. You're wonderfully misguided on your views on me.
I'm not a theif, I don't whine, and it sucks that you got screwed out of something in a Scenario Paintball Players League copmetition. Understand, though, that just because the people that cheat while playing rec-ball or pump are bad people, not all of us are theiving rapists who have no sense of good. I tell people when I cheat, so they know they shot me(and did something right), and I was able to get away with it. I'm not going to let a single stray ball ruin a $600 dollar trip to a national tournament if I can do something to help the situation. In practice, I'll practice cheating. No one (meaning more than 97%) who plays national level tournament paintball will tell you that wiping/sliding off a hit or playing on is not dishonorable (in and of itself, there are those who take it to far). I agree with you that cheating in rec-ball or scenario type games is silly, but understand that in national tournaments, cheating is part of the game, and we do it for more than fun. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 2:34pm
I really have never understood why people think that someone having a more expensive gun makes them so hard to beat. I'll take anyone on with my 98c without hesitation, and that's getting to be an old ass gun now. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 2:54pm
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:15pm
Well, if we could kick ass without cheating, how much better could we do if we were able to cheat sucessfully? You are underestimating the seriousness in which we play with. It becomes more than a hobby, and if we are playing to win, then why shouldn't we use every tool at our disposal? As far as extra benefits go, we don't get extra money for not cheating, and if we are any good at it, we won't be penalized, so what incentive does the extra honor give us? -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:20pm
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A reputation among other players for beng much better than any other team. Something like that is worth more than the money recieved at an average tournament and can only be won through sacrifice. I'm assuming you're not in a team in the top divisions. If you can win consistently without cheating, you'll know that your team is more than ready for upper-level divisions. Just gaining the skill required to win without cheating will help your team progress much faster than those who practice and play as cheaters. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:28pm
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I see no problem in cheating in a tournament, because the guy who shot you probably cheats too. Also Tolga, Gatyr was on a team in the NPPL semi-pro league (I think, not sure) and USAF plays Division 2.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:30pm
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So I was wrong. But developing the ability to win without cheating will still help enormously.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:37pm
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Winning without cheating does feel better on the ego, I agree. But losing feels horrible on the ego for me. I play for money in events around the state (nothing major like USAF and Gayder) but when prizes and respect are on the line, I'll slide a hit off on my way to the snake too.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:51pm
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I can't speak for people that get paid to play. People cheat to get paid every day. I wiped 1 time about 6 years ago. At a big game a stupid ref stuck our insertion right in the middle of 3 teams in a huge battle. About 4 of us backed up against the tape under a small bush and everyone got shot up bad. I got hit in the foot, which my foot was o.b and I rubbed it in the dirt and played on because I was so ticked at the ref for the dumb insertion. Afterwards he admitted that we should have inserted where I told him to put us in the first place. Haven't cheated since. I'm out there to prove something to myself not anyone else. Pro's do what they gotta do and I know nothing about their situation. I've practiced with pro's and the conversation about other teams wiping seems like it is very frustrating to them. Their policy on wiping was that off the break, if they get hit and can smear it off on a dive into the bunker have at it. After that if you get hit, walk off of the field.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 5:59pm
Dude, Impulses are cheap pieces of junk and we all know that. I don't care if they have $4000.00 into their Angel. I'll put the hurt on anyone that looks like they'd do the same to me with my walmart special. If I can tell that they're a nub I'll take it easy. It's that simple. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 6:14pm
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i think everyone here is missing a larger point why in hell are we talking about paintball? |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 6:16pm
You don't have to if you don't want to. You can leave easier than you can type junk like this. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 6:19pm
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Lawl at people who take paintball seriously. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 6:40pm
it was a joke dude....i was making reference to the fact that most people here dont play anymore. i still play, and i dont cheat and i still the PCF's post about wiping was the best post in this thread edit-the poll doesnt even cover those like me who not only play honestly, but dont flip up velocity or go bezerk on noobs. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 6:43pm
Yes it does... option number 2... -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 7:13pm
| ah, i misread it. i thought it meant you dont wipe but still ramp and such |
Posted By: lt redneck
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 7:51pm
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no im saying that if your not playing a tournament or for money but rather with friends just make a rule where you take more hits before your out.
wiping is not acceptible in any game. and i hope that field owners crack down on those cheaters and give a perminant ban to multiple offenders -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 11:02pm
Lawl at people who lawl at people who take paintball seriously. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 11:52pm
Why in all hells would you ban someone for something allready clearly addressed in the rules?
So, seeing as how the "cheaters" are punished in the game, why would a field owner ban them? ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 11:54pm
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cause after a game or two other players get fed up with playing with a cheater, therefore to a field owner banning cheater>losing customers for allowing cheater to stay edit-your also looking at psp and nppl league rules, which dont apply to all fields like woodsball |
Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:44pm
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Posted By: p_p_b_h
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:48pm
| this is such a disgrace, i thought that know one would vote cheater, i cant believe that their is such a problem, some of you even tried to rationalize your actions, and some of you seem that you dont wna tto hurt people but still cant follow any rules. please stop playing paintball, you ruin peoples day, i cant believe this. tippman should not allow anyone who has voted yes i cheat to be on their forums, this is a such a nightmare. id like to tell all you wipers, cheaters and general morons, my friend has 68 cal doe urine capsules, their jell shell and he keeps them in a pistol. i hope he finds you cheaters and you smell like piss all day and deers make homes in your backyards and ruin your yards. paintball is love, and i hate cheaters and dishonorable people, so dont mix, stay away from paintball for all those people trying to have fun while not being morons |
Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 7:17pm
Get a life. ------------- Gamertag: Kataklysm999 
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 8:15pm
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pp. Cheating is a reality in almost all aspects of life. Learn to cope
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:08pm
aww poor thing. Does him not like the icky people that play with a serious purpose? -------------
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Posted By: lt redneck
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:39pm
i believe those are tournament rules arnt they? if i owned a field i would ban those that wipe for taking the fun away from those legit players there to play paintball. if i could have my way i would be much more harsh for cheaters than just a ban... i despise cheaters. they are what makes games suck and they should never be allowed to play on a field so long as they wipe.
and i seriously hope i meet any of you that cheat because i will show you what a pissed off redneck thats sick and tired of cheaters is willing to do to clean up our sport. -------------
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:41pm
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I wonder what the rules state about shanking inflatable bunkers.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:44pm
| Redneck I think the point is that there are rules written for professional play reguarding different forms of cheating that don't include bans(they got it covered). We are mingling what is essentially 2 different topics. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:48pm
i believe those are tournament rules arnt they? if i owned a field i would ban those that wipe for taking the fun away from those legit players there to play paintball. if i could have my way i would be much more harsh for cheaters than just a ban... i despise cheaters. they are what makes games suck and they should never be allowed to play on a field so long as they wipe.
and i seriously hope i meet any of you that cheat because i will show you what a pissed off redneck thats sick and tired of cheaters is willing to do to clean up our sport. [/QUOTE]First: Haha, you just threatened someone over the internet. Go you. Second: You do realize we are talking strictly National tournaments and practicing for such, correct? We aren't saying we play against kids with rentals and bonus-ball them while wiping everything that hits us. -------------
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Posted By: lt redneck
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:51pm
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reguardless of tournament of woodsball cheating is cheating and i still say ban every cheater. a tournament cheater is just as bad as a rec ball cheater.
oh ya and if you take it as a threat then come to my town and cheat.... clinton,iowa -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:57pm
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You wouldn't be able to catch me cheating.
And there is a gigantic difference between me and somone who is will to steal (as Tolga so eloquently put it) from a rec-baller. Read the thread. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:59pm
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My stance is as such: Cheating is pretty stupid. The objection of the game is to eliminate the other team via shooting. If you remove that element of the game through wiping, I fail to see the point of anyone playing anymore. I also think it is pretty silly to take paintball serious enough need this "MUST WIN" attitude. That said, the people who generally express their anti-cheating feelings on here are equally as dumb. They often cannot type, are fairly new to the game, and only know what they know from reading rags like APG. Also typically endorse violence to people who cheat, which does absolutely nothing productive. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 10:01pm
| dont they have a cheaters league or something? seriously |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 10:02pm
PSP and NPPL. -------------
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 10:06pm
| ^game, set match w/ a lawlski on top |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 10:07pm
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but seriously, aside from that i remember a post here about a cheaters league or something |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 12:29am
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If you cheat you're a dork.
Paintball is a game of honour, without it, there's no point. Have fun pretending you deserved to win. ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 1:08am
Sad thing is that I've seen it at fields before. The team doesn't ask for private games to improve their skills and instead targets walk-ons to boost their egos. The tournament problem does spread to rec fields in this way and gets rec players to cheat too, because kids think they're some sorts of badasses for breaking the rules. It really does harm the game. I acknowledge that some money can be gained by pulling off a cheat; but your small gain from a tournament victory in that fashion could mean a field owner (who works a lot harder than you do) loosing his field and his livelihood as a result. Like it or not, young people look up to tournament 'ballers and increase their desires to cheat the more it becomes accepted among pro players. I'm throwing as much logic as I can at this. I know I'm sensationalizing it but there is truth to what I'm saying. The cheaters on this forum need to see the other side.
I was about to point out some of those comments but you beat me to it. Threatening people is going to get you nowhere. It takes all legitimacy out of your points. While I agree that cheaters should be banned from even tournaments (I'm extremely glad the SPPL took that step), telling people that you will shoot them with dear piss or ball bearings or threatening them with redneck fury means nothing to anybody; no matter what the context of the threat. It only shows that you are more childish than the cheaters that you are calling for violence against. And yes Tae, cheating is a serious issue. Even though it's just a game, people make livings off of it that can easily be (and have easily been) lost as a result of dishonorable and unsafe play. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 7:01am
I've pretty much been staying out of this, simply because we've had this discussion before, and no one will ever change anyone else's mind, but...
I just wanted to point out that the guys that do make their living off playing have nothing to do with tournament winning. Teams like Dynasty, Ironmen, Joy, the All Americans, etc. are given "jobs" within the company that owns the team so that they can be given a salary. They only see a minute percentage of actual winnings. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 8:45am
By the people "that make livings off of it" I meant field owners. The pros and other players glorify cheating, which make more kids want to cheat, which bleeds over into the rec world, which destroys a field every once in a while. -------------
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 8:49am
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I don't cheat. I hope my opponents don't cheat. If they do, then I don't want to cheat to stay in the game with them anyway because that's not fun to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 5:34pm
How does cheating destroy a field? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 5:38pm
Would you like to go to a field, alone or with friends and family, where players frequently cheat? |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 5:40pm
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