CNN: Tukey Invades Iraq
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Topic: CNN: Tukey Invades Iraq
Posted By: rednekk98
Subject: CNN: Tukey Invades Iraq
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 12:59pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/06/turkey.iraq.ap/index.html - http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/06/turkey.iraq.ap/ind ex.html sort of. While I support Turkey's right to retaliate against militants, this is looking really bad. I really hope they dont break the only part of Iraq that really seems to like the US and is functional. |
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 1:03pm
| This can't end well. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 1:09pm
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I agree with rednekk on our right to do so, and that it can end pretty badly. My parents know people who've fought and got maimed or killed by these militants, so I support the move all the way unless we get into an unecessary war with Iraq.
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 1:11pm
| Omg I totally thought some one was trying to make a joke about an actual turkey invading iraq. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 2:11pm
| I blame it all on Tolga. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 2:51pm
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Saw that....can't be good... -------------  |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 3:00pm
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xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote:Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 4:36pm
 I'm sure nothing will happen. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 5:41pm
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Turkey finding an excuse to throw a punch at Kurds? Gasp. Who would have thought. |
Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 5:57pm
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Gasp turkey is fighting kurds the food pyramid is going to hell. ------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 6:03pm
Hah, that was actually pretty good. This can end very badly, or actually good. What if Turkey is productive? ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 6:04pm
No whey! ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 6:17pm
Indeed, only thing Turkey Fears more than Pork Juice. Is a Stable Kurdish region just south of them. Making all of their Kurdish Minoroties start to form their own independent states. I still think if it wasnt because Turkey is a NATO ally we'd had split Iraq 3 Way. Kurd, Sunni and Shiite. ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 6:26pm
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The three state solution for Iraq is one of my favs too...damn Turkey... ------------- |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 6:51pm
What the hell neighbors does Turkey get along with? They have bad blood with the Greeks, the Kurds, piss off a lot of the Balkan states, and let's not forget the Armernians. Again, if some militants are lobbing mortars at them from the other side of the border, or attack then retreat across the border I dont have a problem with them returning fire or chasing them. However if the kurds really want to break off from iraq and form their own state, I'd like to see the US be willing to defend it if turkey decides not to tolerate it and invade. Whether or not it would be practical considering the NATO ties is debateable, but I'd really hate to see the one part of the country that resembles a stable, democratic, religiously moderate, pro-american Iraq that Bush had in mind. Also, a Kurdish state would be a nice little payback for not allowing us to open the kind of northern front we wanted to invade Iraq. I'm not sure how that affected the amount of forces we were able to put into iraq compared to what we wanted to do with two fronts, but I suspect we at least had to cut back on armor. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 8:16pm
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We get along fine with greeks, we have Azarbajan, and plenty of other countries. Let's not forget that without a country like ours, a lot of operations in the Middle East by the U.S. and other countries would not have been possible. I've said this before; the Kurds attacking Turkey to get land is like Mexico attacking the U.S. to get Texas back, only the Kurds never owned a part of Turkey anyway. In many ways my country parallels the U.S. Our dislike of the Kurds for the PKK is just like the general dislike of Middle Eastern people in the U.S. for Al-Queda. We're retaliating against the PKK in soil that doesn't belong to them just like the U.S. did against Al-Queda. Our people are all for it, yet the rest of the world hates us for it. The rest of the word had general dislike for both countries anyway. You guys need to understand that the differences between the countries are what make our moves justifiable. The PKK terrorists are inside our country. If we don't retaliate, the country WILL remain in danger. It's not like here in the U.S., where we are generally safe from terroristic threats. The PKK has constantly been killing our soldiers and our innocents. The U.S. invasion of Middle Eastern countries boosted the amounts of suicide bombings and other such terroristic actions in our country. Turkish government officials know exactly what they're fighting and how to fight them. We're not going after the PKK on the basis of false WMD charges or any other such lies. If we are allowed to act without limits, civilian deaths and distruction of innocents' properties will be minimal if any at all. The shelling was a result of restraining the need to cross the border. I'm saying all this to put everything in perspective. I'm supportive but with some mixed feelings about the move because of the crap that the U.S. invasion stirred up. As for Kurdish people in general, they're good people. I've known a Kurd since I was 6 and know him today. Like I said, any hatred of Kurds is as unjustified as U.S. hatred against Middle Easterners. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:19pm
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I didn't know Tolga was actually from Turkey. Awesome...I guess.
And since we are on the subject of Turkey jokes: I used to honestly think that the country of Hungary would get hungry enough to eat Turkey one day, and that would be the end of world hunger. I was a rather silly 4 year old. ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:25pm
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Again, any jackass who wants to attack civillian targets deserves to die a slow painful death. As for military targets, I don't care if your political reasons are good or not, expect retaliation. I dont care if you're resisting a nazi occupation, if you try to kill people, they have every right to try to kill you right back. If the Southwest states were to become totally flooded with people who were culturally Mexican and the majority of them felt that their differences with the rest of the country were irreconcilable, those states should be allowed to leave as long as they pay for it. I'd prefer financial compensation, but if they would rather pay in blood, fine. I dont know enough about the turk/kurd situation to have an opinion as to whether or not the kurdish minority in turkey is alienated enough to warrent their own state in turkey, especially when they have a de-facto state in iraq. My problem with turkey is their apparent opposition to any kind of kurd state. Thats like saying mexico shouldnt exist because mexican here might want to be part of it.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:29pm
That's because the Kurds are hell bent on taking a huge chunk out of Turkey to get their own state. They think that all of Turkey belongs to them. Allowing them a foothold anywhere outside of the country, though the right thing to do, will only make it easier for them to attack our land. Those attacks will never end. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:34pm
You speak on behalf of every single Kurd? |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:38pm
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I meant the PKK. Sorry for the lack of clarification, though many Kurds do agree with them. I haven't done much research on it, but I know the Kurds recieve unfair treatment from the government, so I do have sympathy for the non-militant ones. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:44pm
| So if the Kurds could diplomatically formulate the boundaries of their own free country, and it included a small, not anything excessive, but a small loss of area by Turkey, you would still be as against it? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 11:01pm
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 11:01pm
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If it's not very intrusive, I'm not sure. Again, I'm worried that any gain, especially one that takes away from our own territory, will strongly increase the morale and desire of those that want nothing but to attack our country. Letting Kurds have their own country is a great thing for those people but can be extremely dangerous for Turkey. I'm also worried that any aggression against us sanctioned by their government (if it becomes overrun by PKK) will be supported by those countries that hate us, and can be even more destructive to Turkey. If you want to think of it purely in terms of societal rights, I agree that Kurds have a right to their own country. But giving them land is at the same time taking away from the rights of other countries to keep their land. I also acknowledge that the Ottomans gained the land of Turkey through taking the land of another country. But that doesn't make me hypocritical to be against the PKK taking our land. Let's say a new ethnicity emerged on our border and over time, their people became the majority of the population in all states north of virginia and East of Ohio. A few thousand of them claim that that portion of the U.S. belongs to them and turn militant. Would you want to give them any of that land as a part of their own seperate state? -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 11:31pm
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A few thousand spread out over that kind of area? No. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 11:34pm
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No, I said they become the majority of the population in the area. By the "few thousand", I meant the militants among that group.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 June 2007 at 9:09am
| oops, looks like not sleeping is finally making me retarded. Still, no. Based on that information, I'd have to assume the rest of the population in question doesn't support their goals to a significant extent. Again, if dissent is effectivly repressed, that is extremely difficult to judge. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 07 June 2007 at 9:46am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK - You also might want to read this about the PKK . 37,000 people, both Turks and Kurds, were killed as a result of the conflict between us and the PKK. An establishment of a Kurdish state will more than likely lead to a PKK rule. I'm not worried as much about the communism as I am about the army that the PKK will create with the intentions on wars against the neighboring countries for more land. Regardless of the military threat, a communist run country is not the best for its people. The Kurdish people will face new and probably worse problems with their own country, because the PKK will be the ruling party. Also remember; extremists are never satisfied with what they are given, only with what they take. -------------
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 07 June 2007 at 12:37pm
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Tolgak is starting to sound like he way Israel used to sound about a Palestenian State.
The PPK much like the PLO/FATAH and HAMAS gather power from the feeling of helplessness and dispair that the people feel. They feel that they have nothing to loose and everything to gain. Not that there is ever a easier solution. It's just part of the realities of politics in that region. While my understandment of the relations between Turks and Kurds are really limited. I know one Kurd and never even spoked to a Turkish National since a Military Exercise in 1998. I do see their opposition to a Kurdish state paralel to the ol' Israely view on a Palestinian way. And we all know how all those years of diferences and bloodshed between them has lead them to. That approach to politics is going to cost Israel innocent lives for decades to come as well as is going to keep the Palestenians in misery and poverty for those decades as well. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 07 June 2007 at 6:04pm
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The History Channel has a show about conflicts in the Middle East with emphasis the Kurds playing right now.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 12:37pm
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First, apologies for resurrecting an old thread. I was out of town for a while, but just had to respond after I saw some of the responses to Tolgak's opinion on a Kurdish state. The arrogance and hypocrisy displayed by some of those that disagree with him is truly astounding.
*Which, by the way, I considered a mistake from the beginning. -------------
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Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 1:34pm
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Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 3:56pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 4:26pm
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