Simple sniper setup
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Topic: Simple sniper setup
Posted By: 98 sniper
Subject: Simple sniper setup
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 1:19pm
Well here we are,
My fairly stock and simple gun. Just a 98 custom that i have a flatline barrel on to help with my longer shots. Its all wrapped up with green rags to help breakup the guns lines when i am hiding in the tall grass waiting for a kill. I usually play at a friends house who has a fairly big patch of 2-5ft grasses and pine trees.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 1:34pm
looks good, still if you can get more of those rags, then you should add some more around the hopper and have a bit hanging off the barrel. It makes it blend in better with the environment.
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Posted By: CBizzle
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 3:11pm
i liiike... and sweet flowers too
i swear im not <feminine>
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Posted By: b_mid
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 3:27pm
Simple indeed. 100th post!!!!!
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 5:35pm
Ooh this is gona get nasty.
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Posted By: kook
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 5:58pm
Honestly, I tried to do the Sniper thing and I bought a flatline. I bought it for the range but the range was useless from far away. There was no accuracy. If you don't like your flatline after you play with it, I recommend a 14in barrel. If you do like the flatline, then ignore what I said
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 6:12pm
This is going to get VERY nasty carl.
Im telling you the nice way, this forum HATES snipers, and will fight tooth and nail against it.
Personally, I dont care. I aggree with the forum, paintball markers dont have the range nor accuracy for sniping.
Yet, you can camp around and get some nice shots too.
Anyway, not too bad. Its very stock though. IMO, burn the green rags. Camo'ing your gun is fine, just make it more ghillie like.
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Posted By: chaloopy
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 6:47pm
you should use a net and burlap(patato sack cut into strips[thin]) and then we would have a gun that could blend well into grass
did i mention you should spray paint the strips (almost 1/2 cm thick)
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 8:19pm
There are no snipers in paintball.
Snake6 wrote:
The History of Military Sniping, and how it relates to the Game of
Paintball.
Ok. So I got bored, and I am sick and tried of this stupid sniper debate. I
got a Barnes and Noble gift card for Christmas, and didn’t know what else to
get so I picked up several books on Military Snipers. Here are my findings.
< -- Note: Due to a problem with my code, you have to Highlight my
rifle comparison tables to see them. It’s a bother, but if someone knows how to
fix it, PM me. -- >
First lets go over the basics of what a sniper is, and what a sniper is not.
“A sniper…is considered a specialist, whose prime function is to kill
selected high value targets at long range using superior skill and armament. A
sharpshooter, by contrast, is a rifleman (proficient or otherwise) who acts in
an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises”
From SNIPER by Adrian Gilbert
Keep this in your mind as you read the rest of the article.
The American Revolution
(1775-83)
Sniping first came onto the battlefield during the American Revolution.
Standard infantry of this period were equipped with “Brown Bess” smoothbore
muskets. The Continental Congress approves 10 independent companies, armed with
long rifles. The men of these companies were the first snipers.
Comparison between the “Brown Bess” musket, and the Long Rifle.
“A soldiers musket, if not exceedingly ill bored (as many are), will strike
the figure of a man at 80 yards: it may even at 100, but a soldier must be very
unfortunate indeed who shall be wounded by a common musket at 150 yards,
provided that the antagonist aims at him; as to firing at a man at 200 yards,
with a common, musket, you might as well fire at the moon.” –British Major
Hanger, on the “Brown Bess” musket
In contrast, the American Long Rifle (as carried by the Irregular
companies), was effective in ranges up to 300 yards, and headshots could be
achieved at 200. At these ranges American Snipers picked-off high ranking
British Officers. During the battle of Saratoga
an American sniper brought down British General Simon Frasier from a range of
300 yards. Despite its advantages the long rifle had several disadvantages. Its
slow reload time(2 shots a minute), and lack of bayonet fixture made it useful
only as a skirmisher weapon, not for use as a standard infantry weapon.
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Brown Bess
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Long Rifle
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Range:
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80 Yards
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300 Yards
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Muzzle Velocity:
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1100-1300 fps
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~1600fps
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Ammunition:
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.75 caliber ball
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.40-.70 caliber ball
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As you can see from the table, the Rifle outranged the common muskets of the
time by over 200 yards. Also the muzzle velocity of the Rifle was much higher
than that of the Brown Bess.
The War of Northern Aggression (American Civil War) (1861-65)
During the Civil War, the standard infantry rifles were the Enfield(for the south), and the Springfield(for the
north). These were muzzleloading rifles with effective ranges up to 500 yards.
The confederacy managed to acquire Witworth and Kerr rifles from Europe for their snipers. These rifles had an effective
range of well over 1200 yards, and hits were reported at over 1500 yards.
Confederate Snipers were selected in a manner which has been used to select
snipers in most present wars. The best men from each infantry regiment entered
into shooting competitions. They were required to hit man-sized boards at 500
yards. The best shooters were given the prized Kerr and Witworth rifles. They
then went through extensive training in the use of these rifles.
The snipers were warned never to get within 400 yards of the enemy, but to
use their superior range, to keep the enemy at a safe distance.
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Springfield/Enfield
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Kerr & Withworth
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Range:
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1200+ yards
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500 Yards
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Muzzle Velocity:
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Ammunition:
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.451 Hexagonal Slug
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World War I (1914-18)
US Snipers during World War I used modified, and accurized versions of
the standard service rifle the Springfield
1903, equipped with 2 to 4 power scopes. Snipers during the war mostly sniped
from behind the MLR, the main trench line. These snipers were Infantrymen taken
off the line, and equipped with scoped rifles. With their rifles they could
pick the enemy off 3 or 4 trench lines back from the MLR. The marksmanship
standard for infantry of the time was to be able to hit a standing man from
around 100 yards. The snipers were trained to hit targets from over 500 yards.
World War II (1938-45)
World War II snipers were selected in different manners during the war. I
will concentrate on the Marine Corps Snipers trained at Green’s Farm because
the documentation of this school and its snipers is the best. There, snipers
were instructed in 5 week courses in marksmanship, camouflage, and field craft.
They were trained to approach a target using stealth and to eliminate the
target from long distances. These snipers were required to hit a moving target
at 500 yards, and to hit a stationary target at 1000. They were equipped much
the same way as snipers in WWI were. These snipers used accurized
versions of the M1903 Springfield service rifle, the A1 or A3 variants equipped
with 2 or 4 power scopes. Marine Infantry qualified at 500 yards.
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M1 Garand
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M1903A3
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Range
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500 yards
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1000yards
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Ammunition
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.30-06
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.30-06
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Korea (1950-53)
Korea,
in the latter part of the war turned into a bogged down war of attrition,
looking somewhat like the trench warfare of WWI. This, alongside Korea’s terrain
of rolling hills combined to make it prime sniper territory. Sniping tactics in
Korea
did not change much from the tactics of WWII so I will not elaborate on them.
The rifles also remained the same. Snipers in Korea were equipped with 1903A3
Variant Springfield’s, and National Match M1’s(which were used in competition
shooting because they were more accurate than the standard M1) Equipped with 4
power scopes(the M1D model). The accuracy of the M1 was not as good as that of
the Springfield,
due to the need to offset the scope, and have major Eye Relief built-in to the
rifle due to the Clip Feed of the M1. These M1’s still were able to reach
ranges of 500 yards accurately. In Korea the use of the .50 caliber
round for sniping was first seen. M2 Machine Guns mounted with a 10 power scope
were able to reach ranges of 2800 yards effectively, Snipers also experimented
with .55 Caliber Boy’s antitank rifles modified to take .50 caliber rounds, and
mounted with scopes which had the same range as the M2, but was able to be
carried by a man whereas the M2’s were limited to fixed positions.
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M1D Sniper Model
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M1903A3 Sniper
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M2 Machine Gun
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Range
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500 yards
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1000 yards
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2500 yards
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Ammunition
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.30-06
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.30-06
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.50 Caliber
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Vietnam (1965-75)
Vietnam
is the perfect example of how a sniper can be employed during combat. The
restrictive ROE and vast open fields and rice paddy’s of Vietnam became
prime sniper territory. The Marine Corps and the Army both Fielded Snipers.
Army snipers were equipped with accurized versions of the M14 service rifle,
accurate out to 700 yards. The Marine Corps fielded snipers equipped with
Winchester Model 70 Hunting rifles firing the .30-06 cartridge, and later in
the war snipers carried the M40, which fired the standard 7.62x51mm(.308)
cartridge both of these rifles had an effective range of over 1000 yards. Also
snipers used modified M2 .50 caliber machine guns, fitted with scopes. These
were accurate to ranges out to 2500 yards. Normal infantry of the time fired
the M16 Assault Rifle, and the enemy fired the AK-47 assault rifle. These
rifles were designed for infantry combat which takes place in ranges of only
around 200 yards, and can only be fired accurately up to 500 yards. Thus
snipers were able to operate with impunity from beyond the range of effective
return fire of the enemy.
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M16
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Winchester
70
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M40
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M14 Sniper
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Range
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500 yards
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1000 yards
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1000 Yards
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700 yards
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Ammunition
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5.56mm
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.30-06
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7.62x51mm
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7.62x51mm
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Now through all these wars several things have remained in common among
snipers, lets analyze these facts:
A sniper acts independently from standard infantry, not as a part of a
unit but in a one or two man team.
This is possible in paintball, most of the time in
scenario games, I am alone behind enemy lines trying to accomplish a mission.
But you do very little if any tactical good for your team waiting in one spot
for an entire game, hoping a target of high-value (such as the opposing
general) walks by.
A sniper does not act at random, he selects targets of high value and
eliminates them.
Targets of High Value in a military sense are:
- Officers:
- Generals
- Field Grade officers
- Company Grade officers
- Forward Observers
- Crew Served Weaponry:
- Heavy Machine Guns
- Artillery Batteries
- Mortar Crews
- Non Commissioned Officers
- Radiomen
Targets of High
Value in Paintball:
- Generals
- Tank Crewman (if there are
tanks)
- Um…. Yeah… that’s all I can
think of...
The problem with selecting high value targets in a
scenario paintball game is, there are very few. The vast majority of players
play independently, not under any command and they do what they want. What
officers and team captains there are do not look any different than any other
players.
The Sniper fires at targets from
beyond the range of return fire by the standard infantry weapons, or from
distances that were beyond the training of the normal infantryman.
As you can see from the diagrams of the Sniper Rifles of
the Period in comparison to the standard issue infantry weapons, the sniper
rifle always has a great deal more range than infantry weapons, and the sniper
has been trained to an accuracy standard that is beyond that of standard
infantry training.
This is where sniping in paintball fails. All paintball
markers except those equipped with the Flatline or Apex systems fire the same
distance, around 25 yards or 75 feet. The Flatline will reach ranges of up to
150 ft, but because the ball loses velocity at the same rate as a normal
paintball, the chances of getting a break, or a single accurate shot at those
ranges are close to zero.
The sniper uses a single accurate
shot to take his targets down.
The ammunition expended to kill ratio of a sniper in Vietnam was 1.7
rounds per kill. The average infantryman expended 50,000 rounds per confirmed
kill.
It is possible to take targets down with a single shot
in paintball. However it is near impossible to eliminate a target with a single
shot from beyond the effective range of return fire by the enemy.
A sniper uses camouflage and
concealment to hide himself from his enemies to eliminate his targets.
No qualms with this, it can be done. Most every scenario
paintball player does it. Using camouflage doe not make you sniper.
Now as you can see there are
several places where sniping fails in paintball. Now look at the definition of
a Sharpshooter:
“A sharpshooter… is a rifleman
(proficient or otherwise) who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at
the enemy when the chance arises”
From SNIPER by Adrian
Gilbert
Ok, this looks a little more
feasible in the game of paintball than the sniper definition doesn’t it?
For paintball purposes we can
strike rifleman, because there are no rifles in paintball.
“who acts in an opportunist manner,
taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises”
This sounds feasible. The
definition of a sniper that Spec Ops puts forth is one of an “ambush player”
that fires from concealment, using camouflage. The problem with the Spec Ops
definition of a sniper is that it perfectly describes the definition of a
sharpshooter in a military sense.
So we will set forth the definition
of a Sharpshooter in paintball. This is what most of you would call a Sniper in
paintball.
A sharpshooter takes shots from
concealment, shoots at targets as the opportunity arises, and uses a marker
that has the same range as everyone else’s. This is not a Sniper. This is a
sharpshooter. You will never be a sniper in paintball simple ballistics prevent
this from ever happening.
The fact of the matter is if you
think you are a sniper in paintball, your terminology is wrong. The definition
of a sharpshooter, fits paintball a lot closer that the definition of a sniper.
But for those of you who insist that you are still snipers, look at an analogy:
You work for a living. Your job is to go to people’s houses and businesses, to
pick up their trash and take it to the dump. You drive a Garbage Truck. What
would you be called, a Garbage Man, or a Professional Truck Driver?
You would be called a Garbage Man,
would you not? As much as you would prefer to be called a Professional Truck
Driver, everyone would call you a Garbage Man because it fits what you are
doing better than the title Professional Truck Driver does.
The
definition of Sharpshooter, or a Designated Marksman fits what you are doing in
paintball a whole lot better than Sniper does. Stop fooling yourself.
References:
SNIPER-
Adrian Gilbert
One
Shot-One Kill- Charles W. Sasser and Craig Roberts
Marine
Sniper- Charles Henderson
Authors
Note: In my haste of writing this, I may have gotten some minor facts mixed up,
or in the wrong place. Please contact me with the correct info if you have
something to add, or a correction.
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Posted By: firemans
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 9:14pm
So according to you there is no such thing as a sniper class in video games such as battlefield 2, counterstrike, ect. In these games there are semi auto rifles, the average rounds per kill for most players is 5+, there is virtually no way to incorporate camouflage, and there are no high ranking targets because everyone is the same balanced soldier.
By sniper we do not mean the old fashioned pro's. We mean a person wearing camo with a scope mounted to his gun aka pretend-sniper.
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Posted By: 98 sniper
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 9:24pm
You guys go ahead and jump on me all you want,
And fof all those who are "there are no snipers in paintball" just try me. Sniper in the paintball field is a way of playing the field and using your witts and soroundings to take out the enemy. I am not one of these people who just go running all over the place taking hundreds of shots in a game. Being a sniper isn't just about range, its much more, and its about how you operate on the playing field.
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Posted By: Mateo
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 10:03pm
Everyone on a field uses their wits. I could choose to save paint but I don't. I personally like using my wits in strategic cover shots to help my team move up the field.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 10:08pm
98 sniper wrote:
You guys go ahead and jump on me all you want,
And fof all those who are "there are no snipers in paintball" just try me. Sniper in the paintball field is a way of playing the field and using your witts and soroundings to take out the enemy. I am not one of these people who just go running all over the place taking hundreds of shots in a game. Being a sniper isn't just about range, its much more, and its about how you operate on the playing field. | I'd like to point out that that's how all woodsballers should play.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 10:52pm
firemans wrote:
So according to you there is no such thing as a sniper class in video games such as battlefield 2, counterstrike, ect. In these games there are semi auto rifles, the average rounds per kill for most players is 5+, there is virtually no way to incorporate camouflage, and there are no high ranking targets because everyone is the same balanced soldier. |
What do video games have to do with anything? I'm afraid that the attempted anology (if there was one) with the real world is lost on me.
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Posted By: firemans
Date Posted: 25 June 2007 at 11:58pm
i was just playing some bf2 and wanted to share that. kthxbye
Mack wrote:
firemans wrote:
So according to you there is no such thing as a sniper class in video games such as battlefield 2, counterstrike, ect. In these games there are semi auto rifles, the average rounds per kill for most players is 5+, there is virtually no way to incorporate camouflage, and there are no high ranking targets because everyone is the same balanced soldier. |
What do video games have to do with anything? I'm afraid that the attempted anology (if there was one) with the real world is lost on me.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 12:00am
Actually, Battlefield 2 has a sniper class and use ghillie (did I spell that right?) suits which work pretty well.
But yeah, I sorta understand what you're saying. There are no "real" snipers in videogames, its usually just some guy who hides in a corner with a rifle.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 1:03am
Uggg... this is brutal
I havent read the copypasta in a while, but I don't remember it mentioning video games. I could go on and on about how wrong that post is but i'm too tired.
I invite you all to search and learn that you will never win a sniper debate here.
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 1:40am
This is stupid. Who gives a flying "poop" if there really are snipers in paintball. This thread is about 98 sniper's gun. It was created so he could show it to you and you guys can comment on it. Whether or not snipers exist in paintball has been covered relentlessly in the past and it doesn't matter any more now than it did then. Everybody just needs to agree to disagree and get on with life.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 8:50am
saying or commenting on the sniper thing should be a strikeable offense. whenever some one says it, u know what hits the fan. a mod should just changed it to no selling and no mentioning the word sniper
but on a lighter noe u should just paint the marker, i think id look better but thats just me
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Posted By: firemans
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 11:08am
Everyone can be what they want to be. You can be a sniper if you want. You can be a homo if you want. You can be a pimp if you want.
Like kids play cowboys with cap guns all the time. You don't see anyone coming up to them saying "theres no such thing as cowboys in cap gun games you retards, cowboys kill people, they get drunk, they have sex with hundreds of women and they ride horses, you don't!"
This is dumb if you want to be a sniper be a sniper and everyone else **edited**.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 1:27pm
firemans wrote:
Everyone can be what they want to be. You can be a sniper if you want. | I'm my teams' XXXXX pimp.
Read the Forum Stickies on reguards to language and other Unaceptable Behaviour
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 2:13pm
campweed wrote:
...I'm my teams' XXXX pimp. | Ah, now that's a position to aspire to .
<<Quoting the Strike Worthy Langauge will get you a Strike as well. Since your back you should read up on the Language Guidelines>>
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 3:48pm
you can snipe all you want, but in any real game, you're going to contribute zero to your team.
Need i point out that all the people arguing against sniping are people that have been playing the game for a while (5 years for me), have had experiences with "snipers", and many have even tried "sniping"?
as for the set-up, it's not bad. i'd prefer a different barrel, in my opinion.
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Posted By: 98 sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 6:42pm
Styro Folme,
What do you consider a real game? We will start about 6pm when the sun goes down, and we have an area about the size of one and a half foot ball fields that we play on. its 4 guys and will spend hours crawling around with plans. We plan 2 vs 2, to the last man dead. Usually my friend will keep em ocupied while i crawl into a good spot and take them out.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:05pm
So, with four guys on a largish field, you "crawl into a good spot" and wait for them to come to you?
That sounds exciting...
And in the meantime, your teammate is now playing 1 on 2 against two players that are hopefully playing coordinated movement, leaving your buddy helpless.
ya.... I don't call that "sniping" - I call that "hiding".
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:07pm
Styro Folme wrote:
you can snipe all you want, but in any real game, you're going to contribute zero to your team.Need i point out that all the people arguing against sniping are people that have been playing the game for a while (5 years for me), have had experiences with "snipers", and many have even tried "sniping"?as for the set-up, it's not bad. i'd prefer a different barrel, in my opinion.
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Very true.
I'm coming up on 4 years in august and i've been through it all.
I definately had the sniper mentality before I joined this forum. I used to camp behind one bunker the whole game until the last five minutes where I would get bunkered.
You will find that you contribute a lot more to your team, as well as have a lot more fun if you play close to the front, getting the objectives and things.
Though I must admit that at my usual field, I got more respect from the new players with a sniper looking marker.
If you honestly still believe in snipers, than tippmann is not the place to discuss it. It's not that you're not welcome here, just that 95% of the forum is against snipers in paintball and will flame you till the end. I recommend going to the special ops forum if you want to talk about sniping, pro-sniper views are welcome there.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:09pm
98 sniper wrote:
Usually my friend will keep em ocupied while i crawl into a good spot and take them out. | You sound like you're a cocky <<coward>> to play with. I can just imagine that elite plan.
"ok you flank left, and run around mindlessly while I go off somewhere totally different, and shoot around them, but don't hit them, oh yeah, and don't get shot until I get to my position"
I amused myself making that crap immitation.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:23pm
98 Sniper wrote:
What do you consider a real game? We will start about 6pm when the
sun goes down, and we have an area about the size of one and a half
foot ball fields that we play on. its 4 guys and will spend hours
crawling around with plans. We plan 2 vs 2, to the last man dead.
Usually my friend will keep em ocupied while i crawl into a good spot
and take them out.
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That doesn't make you a sniper.
Are you a trained expert in the use of camouflage techniques, are you trained in the math required to measure windage, and to calculate range for a target that can be over a thousand yards away? Is you target one of high value, such as an enemy Officer, crew served weapon, or another sniper? Do you stalk your target for days at a time, without sleep, food, and water? Do you eliminate your opponent with a single well aimed shot from beyond the effective range of return fire? Do you egress the area without being detected? Is your weapon a precision instrument that has a higher maximum effective range than any other infantry weapon on the field?
If you answered any of these questions "no", then you are not a sniper. You are 1 ea. standard infantry.
Get over yourself.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:26pm
Snake6 wrote:
That doesn't make you a sniper.Are you a trained expert in the use of camouflage techniques, are you trained in the math required to measure windage, and to calculate range for a target that can be over a thousand yards away? Is you target one of high value, such as an enemy Officer, crew served weapon, or another sniper? Do you stalk your target for days at a time, without sleep, food, and water? Do you eliminate your opponent with a single well aimed shot from beyond the effective range of return fire? Do you egress the area without being detected? Is your weapon a precision instrument that has a higher maximum effective range than any other infantry weapon on the field?
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:35pm
In what way?
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:36pm
Snake6 wrote:
In what way?
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 7:37pm
No really, I am tired.
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Posted By: diedonimpact
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 9:21pm
the word sniper on this forum basically gets you verbaly harrassed for your next three topics
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 9:32pm
"thinking they're a sniper" should be a strike.
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Posted By: firemans
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 9:45pm
1. any of several long-billed game birds of the genera Gallinago (Capella) and Limnocryptes, inhabiting marshy areas, as G. gallinago (common snipe), of Eurasia and North America, having barred and striped white, brown, and black plumage. 2. any of several other long-billed birds, as some sandpipers. 3. a shot, usually from a hidden position. –verb (used without object) 4. to shoot or hunt snipe. 5. to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position: The enemy was sniping from the roofs. 6. to attack a person or a person's work with petulant or snide criticism, esp. anonymously or from a safe distance.
Dictionary definitions of the word "sniper". It has absolutely nothing to do with your leet math skills and the one shot one kill mentality. Read the above again.
THERE ARE SNIPERS IN PAINTBALL. GET USED TO IT. STOP INVENTING YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS OF THE WORD. END OF DEBATE!
Snake6 wrote:
98 Sniper wrote:
What do you consider a real game? We will start about 6pm when the
sun goes down, and we have an area about the size of one and a half
foot ball fields that we play on. its 4 guys and will spend hours
crawling around with plans. We plan 2 vs 2, to the last man dead.
Usually my friend will keep em ocupied while i crawl into a good spot
and take them out.
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That doesn't make you a sniper.
Are you a trained expert in the use of camouflage techniques, are you trained in the math required to measure windage, and to calculate range for a target that can be over a thousand yards away? Is you target one of high value, such as an enemy Officer, crew served weapon, or another sniper? Do you stalk your target for days at a time, without sleep, food, and water? Do you eliminate your opponent with a single well aimed shot from beyond the effective range of return fire? Do you egress the area without being detected? Is your weapon a precision instrument that has a higher maximum effective range than any other infantry weapon on the field?
If you answered any of these questions "no", then you are not a sniper. You are 1 ea. standard infantry.
Get over yourself.
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:02pm
You guys with 2 and 3 stars should know better than to continue this argument, let it die please. Whether they're wrong or right, they won't agree with you so don't bother.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:38pm
firemans,
According to your definition EVERY paintball player is a sniper. This means that a speedball player sitting behind a bunker shooting 20bps is a sniper.
Is he a sniper?
No, he is not.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:54pm
I've never seen any snipes on the paintball field.
And come on firemans, the rest of us have been quite civil on such a topic.
The fact that you have not come up with an reason that doesn't involve birds or video games makes your argument minute.
I honestly don't care if you believe in snipers or not, I told you where to go with that mentality.
Grow up or stop posting here.
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Posted By: firemans
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 11:12pm
You missed my cowboys and capguns reason. That makes 3 making my argument much larger than you think!
lol
And to respond to snake6 it wouldn't be everyone. The forward players are more like standard infantry and the back players who hide behind cover and don't move are more like snipers. It's more for rec games, choose your role and stick to it. Speed balling is totally different.
Carl_the_sniper you know you don't have to click on this thread right?
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 11:25pm
I'm running out of the willpower to mindlessly debate over opinion.
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Posted By: firemans
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 11:30pm
Debating and arguing is all about opinion. You can't have a debate on facts. All debates are mindless and lead us nowhere, just anger people. If you want to debate then debate, if you don't want to then don't participate.
Anyways enough about snipers.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 11:47pm
firemans wrote:
lolAnd to respond to snake6 it wouldn't be everyone. The forward players are more like standard infantry and the back players who hide behind cover and don't move are more <span style="font-style: italic;">like </span>snipers. It's more for rec games, choose your role and stick to it. Speed balling is totally different.
| You completely missed his point. Speedball was an example used to prove you wrong.
The back players who stay behind and don't move are called campers. They don't contribute to the team.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 12:20am
okay, i'm going to keep this polite.
The tippmann forum, is about 90% anti-sniper. The other 10% don't even play anymore (thoughts and opinions section).
You don't come into our forum and tell us what to do. We where here first. We are happy with our non-propaganda, open-minded, and scientifically, physically, and battle field tested beliefs.
You are new. You don't run the forum. You haven't earned your merit here. And you DO NOT tell us what is what.
I am not telling you to leave. I'm not telling you to be anti-sniper. All i'm saying is you don't order a taco from burger king, and you don't talk sniper at the tippmann forum.
All we're doing is helping you in the long run. The sooner you are clear of all the paintball myths, the better player, and more respected you will be. You will get along with the experienced players at the field better, and they can show you some cool stuff, and might even get you a team offer.
If you still insist on being a sniper, let me point you in the right direction: www.specialopspaintball.com will treat you much better.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 3:26am
I decided that this required a line-by-line translation:
98 sniper wrote:
Styro Folme,
(Individual with much more paintball knowledge/experience than me who I am to silly to listen to.)
What do you consider a real game?
(I ask because, never having played one, I don't know.) We will start about 6pm when the sun goes down,
(We aren't sufficiently skilled to hide successfully during daylight.)
and we have an area about the size of one and a half foot ball fields that we play on.
(We're afraid to play anyplace larger because we might get lost.)
its 4 guys (Two six year olds, my one remaining friend, and me.)
and will spend hours crawling around with plans.
(The plan: Phase 1, crawl in the dirt; Phase 2, repeat Phase 1.)
We plan 2 vs 2, (My friend and I against the six year olds.)
to the last man dead.
(Until both members of the losing team have run home crying to mommy.)
Usually my friend will keep em ocupied
(My friend actually attempts to play paintball.)
while i crawl into a good spot
(While I cower in terror under a bush and try not to wet myself.)
and take them out. (Hopefully they will step on me and one of the random shots that I fire in panic will hit them before they mistake my screeching for either me calling "hit" or a teenage girl who just found a spider in the tub.)
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firemans wrote:
You missed my cowboys and capguns reason.
That makes 3 making my argument much larger than you think!
lol
I really hope that the “lol” above
referred to your previous statement.
Mentioning that you are correct because you have a “larger argument” is
like going up to a gang-banger and telling them to drop that sissy 9mm because
your baseball bat is so much larger than their piece.
And to respond to snake6 it wouldn't be everyone. The forward players are more
like standard infantry
I’ll buy that.
and the back players
who hide behind cover and don't move are more like snipers.
Actually, depending upon the player,
they are either more like fire support or the totally useless guy you see in
almost every war movie who is too afraid to take part in the battle.
It's more for rec games, choose your role and stick to it.
Speed balling is totally different.
Not really, consider the following quote:
firemans wrote:
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3. a shot, usually from a hidden position.
. . . 5. to shoot at individuals as opportunity
offers from a concealed or distant position: The enemy was sniping from the
roofs.
Theoretically, according to the
definition presented, if I shoot at someone on a speedball field while
concealed behind the snake, then I’m a sniper.
6. to attack a person or a person's work with petulant or
snide criticism, esp. anonymously or from a safe distance.
Hey, I’m a sniper according to this
part of the definition as well!
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 3:46am
I first started playing paintball 10 years ago. At first, I wanted to be a sniper. I even had plans for modifying my Tippmann 98 to have a 10 round feed tube to reduce profile. I even made plans for a silencer. But it dawned on me one day, that it wouldn't work. It couldn't work, and it wouldn't make any sense. Sure, the lone wolf sniper that saves everyone sounds like it might be the way to go, but take it from me, it never works out like that. You need to get into the game. Charge, yell, intimidate, lay a hail of paint into a bush. It will always be more fun. For this reason, I wear a tie-dye shirt while paintballing. It's more fun to be noticed than hidden.
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 7:56am
"Snipe" is you will, but prepare yourself for hazing.
Of course you'll see sniper roles in big scenarios, but what does that mean? Generally, they're only doing Recon and miss out on most of the action of the big game. Sure they'll pick up a straggler or two, but you didnt pay as much as you did to lay down in some tall grass or cover yourself with leaves with 2 days.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 9:25am
Mack wrote:
I decided that this required a line-by-line translation:
98 sniper wrote:
Styro Folme,
(Individual with much more paintball knowledge/experience than me who I am to silly to listen to.)
What do you consider a real game?
(I ask because, never having played one, I don't know.)
We will start about 6pm when the sun goes down,
(We aren't sufficiently skilled to hide successfully during daylight.)
and we have an area about the size of one and a half foot ball fields that we play on.
(We're afraid to play anyplace larger because we might get lost.)
its 4 guys
(Two six year olds, my one remaining friend, and me.)
and will spend hours crawling around with plans.
(The plan: Phase 1, crawl in the dirt; Phase 2, repeat Phase 1.)
We plan 2 vs 2,
(My friend and I against the six year olds.)
to the last man dead.
(Until both members of the losing team have run home crying to mommy.)
Usually my friend will keep em ocupied
(My friend actually attempts to play paintball.)
while i crawl into a good spot
(While I cower in terror under a bush and try not to wet myself.)
and take them out. (Hopefully they will step on me and one of the random shots that I fire in panic will hit them before they mistake my screeching for either me calling "hit" or a teenage girl who just found a spider in the tub.)
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 1:24pm
Snake6 wrote:
98 Sniper wrote:
What do you consider a real game? We will start about 6pm when the sun goes down, and we have an area about the size of one and a half foot ball fields that we play on. its 4 guys and will spend hours crawling around with plans. We plan 2 vs 2, to the last man dead. Usually my friend will keep em ocupied while i crawl into a good spot and take them out.
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That doesn't make you a sniper.
Are you a trained expert in the use of camouflage techniques, are you trained in the math required to measure windage, and to calculate range for a target that can be over a thousand yards away? Is you target one of high value, such as an enemy Officer, crew served weapon, or another sniper? Do you stalk your target for days at a time, without sleep, food, and water? Do you eliminate your opponent with a single well aimed shot from beyond the effective range of return fire? Do you egress the area without being detected? Is your weapon a precision instrument that has a higher maximum effective range than any other infantry weapon on the field?
If you answered any of these questions "no", then you are not a sniper. You are 1 ea. standard infantry.
Get over yourself.
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Im not jumping on the pro-sniper thread Snake, but this is a game. Say IF paintball guns had more range, there would be a great chance for snipers. They wouldnt need to adjust their sights for windage and elevation, or stalk their target for days. Although this "Do you eliminate your opponent with a single well aimed shot from beyond the effective range of return fire? Do you egress the area without being detected? Is your weapon a precision instrument that has a higher maximum effective range than any other infantry weapon on the field?" would apply.
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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 1:36pm
Someone should make a sticky in the new player section called "snipers" aren't welcome here and post all of these reasons in it. Then maybe this wouldn't happen so often.
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 2:01pm
lawl... guys, I was playing the snake one game a few weekends ago on an indoor x-ball field. I crawled into my position using my other player's cover fire, and shot someone who never even saw me!!!
I'm a sniper.
:dodgy:
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 2:53pm
procarbinefreak wrote:
lawl... guys, I was playing the snake one game a few weekends ago on an indoor x-ball field. I crawled into my position using my other player's cover fire, and shot someone who never even saw me!!!
I'm a sniper.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 5:50pm
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 6:08pm
campweed wrote:
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet. |
Some of the mods get a kick out of these threads.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 9:04pm
Skillet42565 wrote:
Some of the mods get a kick out of these threads.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 10:19pm
This is about the worst possible forum to try and play the sniper card. You will get, and have gotten, absolutely ripped to shreds by logic and sense.
The main attempt at proving us wrong that all you fools try to use is that you make kills from a concealed position. Which makes sense, until you consider that every full or part-witted paintball player actually uses bunkers and therefore shoots from said bunker. All of the "non-snipers" don't make it a point to stand out on the field in terms of visibility and whatnot, so what you're doing on the field is no different than what the rest of us are doing, except that you're camping and we're not.
Who was it, OS or someone that once said something along the lines of "So you think the rest of us march through the forest with bright red clown suits and noisemakers?"
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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 10:28pm
That quote reminds me of Family Guy when Peter is in tha army and they are walking around in the bush. Peter is in a clown suit and tells the rest of his squad "you guys are stupid see they'll be looking for army guys.
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Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 10:31pm
Paintball snipers= People who are scared to get hit with a paintball /end
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Posted By: diedonimpact
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 10:45pm
lets just let it go guys...just let it go
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Posted By: VBHARDCORE
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 10:58pm
Way to drag out another yet another sniper argument guys!!!Thumbs up.Does it really matter what they want to call themselves?
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Posted By: CBizzle
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 11:02pm
hey im gonna snipe when i play tomorrow guys... heres what ill do:
1.) order my team around with a sweet plan thats basically pointless so they are all the decoy.
2.) sneak around the back side of the field on the edges... that way i wont get shot and and i wont get hit.
3.) find a good spot near a bush to hang out... then ill wait
4.) when theres one guy left on the other team ( if my team doesnt all get killed first from my dumbass plan) ill move in on him from about 15 feet away and use one ball to get him out
Mayb i wont carry out this plan tomorrow but if i did... that makes me a sniper right?
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 11:29pm
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 11:38pm
Posted By: VBHARDCORE
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 6:17am
Cry me a river Dungun Master
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 6:25am
You didn't spell "dungeon" right...
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 8:21am
VBHARDCORE wrote:
Cry me a river Dungun Master
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1 phrase to you, Mr.: Hooked on Phonics
HS is not the cousin of the Gunguns that inhabit Naboo.
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Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 11:53am
2.) sneak around the back side of the field on the edges... that way i wont get shot and and i wont get hit. | Ha that made me laugh, you said the same thing twice in one sentence
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Posted By: VBHARDCORE
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 4:21pm
I love how you nerds get your panties in such a bunch when the word sniper is brought up. Makes me LOL!
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 4:23pm
So now we resort to mindless name calling? Well, you're a big doody-head! Now I'm the bigger man!
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 4:27pm
Posted By: reclusivetorrid
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 5:09pm
The sniper debate is a classic, and shoudl continue. But not in the gun
gallery.
It's all a matter of opinion, and what one considers to be "sniping".
Later
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 8:52pm
VBHARDCORE wrote:
Cry me a river Dungun Master
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Hah, what the hell did you just say?
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Posted By: CBizzle
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 11:34pm
heyy i have a sniper story from playin paintball today:
so i was playin some good ol' woods ball today at some random park that ive never been to. me and two of my friends who both play speedball decided to go play a few rounds of speed then switch to woodsball. So after a few 2v1 speedball games (them two against me... bad news cuz they both had Egos) we decided to go play woodsball. No one was there except this party of 8 noob/nerds so we just decided to jump in with them. As the first game started they began to strategize and heres what i heard "ok u two move towards the back of the castle to flank them, the other two go in through the center and ill hang back and snipe".... after hearing this, i decided not to argue with him about how theres no snipers in paintball but to shoot myself in the foot, look down, and shake my head then walk out of the woods back to the speed ball area.... i decided id rather play 2v1 speed ball than be on a team with a "sniper". moral of the story is that snipers are women-like female dogs who want to be heros but not get shot at and arguing is kinda pointless but it could have been fun
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 11:38pm
That's a bit silly.
No, it's a lot silly.
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Posted By: campweed
Date Posted: 28 June 2007 at 11:56pm
CBizzle wrote:
yada yada yada <poopy> hilarious story.
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Ok, probably not, but you probably should have argued that he should just be with the team.
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Posted By: CBizzle
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 12:07am
yo campweed you might have quoted the wrong person cuz i dont think i would have said that about my own story and my story wasnt really meant to be funny but i guess u could take it that way if u wanted to... my opinion is that "snipers" should be refered to as sharpshooters mayb idk
nvm that was probably just a dumb statement
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 12:12am
Hah! Campweed finally got guested (AKA: kicked out)!
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 1:06am
lol that was quick
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 1:14am
Posted By: diedonimpact
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 11:13am
ok first post-attack against snipers, then against sniper supporters, then against person who says your stupid for fighting the snipers who support sniping...cant we just lock this topic already?
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Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 11:32am
Sniping > Paintball
all for 1 shot 1 kill tho... =D
and tho the gun is not bad... i prefer paint over cloth wraping
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Posted By: Commander_Cool
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 4:27pm
The reason why it is important to tell stupid people that they aren't snipers is that they think it a legitimate tactic to be employed, when in most cases they are acting a detriment to their team. This helps improve the player, as well root out general ignorance.
To actually respond t the thread starter, if you want to breka up your ouline, you will need more material. Additionally trying to be camflouaged does not work the best in paintball due to the close range of the markers. It is really more important to just wear clothes that don't stand out (neutral and earth tones).
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