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Topic: Decline in gaming
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Subject: Decline in gaming
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 4:37am
As far as I can tell, the quality of video games has declined over the years, main reasons why:

1. Gentrification.
The market has expanded to include not just us, the hardcore, but everyone. To make any real profit, studios need to appeal to the widest market possible, the lowest common denominator.

2.The Hollywood model.
Larger, more business oriented studios. The amount of people needed to produce a commercial game has exploded, thanks to the ever growing complexity of games. The kind of creative freedom of being a small, flexible company able to experiment, rather than produce mindless sequels *Cough EA* and guaranteed blockbusters is killing innovation. Studios simply cannot afford to experiment.
This is being circumnevented, on a small scale, by modders. We have seen some truly innovative gameplay come from third party mods, often created by teams as small as five people.

3. Complexity.
To produce a AAA game in house means not only building a massively complex game engine, including real world physics, AI, and complex shader based graphics, but a whole stable of artists and writers, not to mention obscene marketing costs. This contributes to the woes discussed in 3.

4. Emphasis put on flash rather than substance.
Gotta sell new systems somehow.

People still publish good dames, but it's getting harder.
Recent games I enjoyed-
Stubbs the Zombie
Psychonauts
KOTOR

Looking forward to-
Starcraft 2
More independent content being digitally distributed, tis the way of the future.

Rebuttals, agreement, addendums?



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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 5:48am
Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:



People still publish good dames, but it's getting harder.
Recent games I enjoyed-
Stubbs the Zombie
Psychonauts
KOTOR



get your mind out of the gutter


Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 9:31am
Originally posted by bravecoward bravecoward wrote:


Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:


People still publish good <span style="font-weight: bold;">dames</span>, but it's <span style="font-weight: bold;">getting harder</span>.
Recent games I enjoyed-
Stubbs the Zombie
Psychonauts
KOTOR

get your mind out of the gutter


Get your priorities crooked.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:51am
Assassins creed?

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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:33am
Forza 2? Shadowrun?

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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:37am

Scarface?



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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:38am
Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:

Scarface?



lmao


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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:44am
It's because of all the kiddies who couldn't care less about gameplay if it means their OMG AWSUM GRAFIKS have to be toned down.


Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:56am
Still can't wait for HL2:E2. They're saying it will be out in October, but that probably means after Christmas since it's Valve.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Still can't wait for HL2:E2. They're saying it will be out in October, but that probably means after Christmas since it's Valve.

It'll probably coincide with the release of TF2, which will probably coincide with Duke Nukem Forever going gold.


Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Still can't wait for HL2:E2. They're saying it will be out in October, but that probably means after Christmas since it's Valve.

It'll probably coincide with the release of TF2, which will probably coincide with Duke Nukem Forever going gold.
What site was that from?


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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 3:20pm
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_time - Valve time (Valve Developer Wiki)

I got it a bit wrong.  TF2's release will coincide with the Rapture, and Ep. 2 will be released when DNF goes gold.


Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Assassins creed?


You know, for some reason I was reading Wikipedia on this game and it started talking about it being set in the future and it being a training program....

I was like What the Hell? If it is like that I will smash it in half after I buy it.



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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 4:41pm

I agree for the most part. I'm glad that they do ocassionaly get something right, though. I enjoyed both of the KOTOR games, RE4, FFXII, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and a few others.



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Posted By: a5Tpp789
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 5:44pm
metroid prime3, ssbb, mario kart, wii fit

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 6:12pm
Go play Black and Brothers in Arms.

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Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 6:44pm

Forza 2 FTW

I could live off this game. I just got my xboxlive back so if anyone wants to hit me up the tag is x420xTICALx421x



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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:59pm
Forza 2 is fun I must say.


Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 8:43pm
i wish they made forza for the computer =[

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