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Topic: ask a gay dude anything
Posted By: bjelder33
Subject: ask a gay dude anything
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:00pm
So I did one of these on my car forum and it turned out pretty cool.

Yes, I am gay.

If you've ever wanted to ask a gay dude ANYTHING, this is your chance.

I won't tolerate any hating, or any stupid jokes.

Go for it.



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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:01pm
This feels odd.

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:03pm
Why do so many gay people feel the need to be so flamboyant about their sexuality? I have absolutely nothing against gay people, but I find this annoying sometimes....

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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Why do so many gay people feel the need to be so flamboyant about their sexuality? I have absolutely nothing against gay people, but I find this annoying sometimes....


Yeah, is it like the manly jock posturing so many guys feel the need to put on?

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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:04pm

You won't tolerate any stupid jokes?

Boy did you come to the wrong place...

How many gay dudes does it take to change a lightbulb?



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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:05pm

Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Why do so many gay people feel the need to be so flamboyant about their sexuality? I have absolutely nothing against gay people, but I find this annoying sometimes....

I second this.

Also, why are some gay people so pushy about gay marraige?  Heck, from what I know, marraige sucks.



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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Why do so many gay people feel the need to be so
flamboyant about their sexuality? I have absolutely nothing against gay
people, but I find this annoying sometimes....



Absolutely its annoying. I have the same problem with "a flamboyant homosexual" if you
will. Ask anybody thats met me, I'm not the flamboyant type. I think
basically what causes a 'flamboyant homosexual' is that their real emotions have been pent up for YEARS and finally when they "come out", they are FINALLY able to let go and be themselves. This causes a bit of an overload.

I dislike overly proud gay people as much as I dislike black people that
flaunt around that they were enslaved hundreds of years ago.

Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

You won't tolerate any stupid jokes?


Boy did you come to the wrong place...


How many gay dudes does it take to change a lightbulb?



Two

One to change it, the other to give Susan Storm a kick to the face.

Just kiddin


Posted By: God
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:07pm
Have you come out in RL?


Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:08pm

Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:


One to change it, the other to give Susan Storm a kick to the face.

Just kiddin

Hey!

I'm family.



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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by Yomillio Yomillio wrote:

Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Why do so many gay people feel the
need to be so flamboyant about their sexuality? I have absolutely nothing
against gay people, but I find this annoying sometimes....


I second this.


Also, why are some gay people so pushy about gay marraige?  Heck,
from what I know, marraige sucks.



To be honest, its not so much about the marriage-aspect as the equal
rights aspect.

We're humans, and would like to be treated as so.

Lets say I have a partner who's on his death bed. I can't be there for him
because I'm not legally married to him. Who are you (not you persay, but
anti-gay marriage people) to take away the right to be with somebody I
love?

Love is just that, love. Gay people don't feel any less love than straight
people do.

Originally posted by God God wrote:

Have you come out in RL?


Yep.


Posted By: djrox
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:09pm
Do you dress like a **edited**? A pink hollister shirt with a popped collar? And what do you think of people using gay so much? Like people say, oh thats so gay. Do your parents hate you?

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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:13pm

Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

To be honest, its not so much about the marriage-aspect as the equal
rights aspect.

We're humans, and would like to be treated as so.

Lets say I have a partner who's on his death bed. I can't be there for him
because I'm not legally married to him. Who are you (not you persay, but
anti-gay marriage people) to take away the right to be with somebody I
love?

Love is just that, love. Gay people don't feel any less love than straight
people do. 

Makes enough sense.  Excuse me for being ignorant.



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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

Do you dress like a **edited**? A pink hollister shirt with
a
popped collar? And what do you think of people using gay so much? Like
people say, oh thats so gay.



Right now I'm wearing jeans and a white t-shirt.
When I work I wear suit pants, a shirt and tie.
So no, I don't.

I dont really think its annoying when people say "thats so gay", because I
mean, I can't take it personally. "Gay" has become a synonym for "bad" or
"dumb", so me taking it personally would cause a whole bunch of
problems.

And I'm not sure what the mods will say to that either so I'm not going to
answer. Lets try to keep it PG-13 and under.


Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:14pm

Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

Do you dress like a **edited**? A pink hollister shirt with a popped collar? And what do you think of people using gay so much? Like people say, oh thats so gay. Do your parents hate you?

You don't have to be a jerk about it.



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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:15pm
What is your opinion on guys who wear girl pants?

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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:15pm
Have you ever had sex with a guy or girl?




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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:16pm

Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

What is your opinion on guys who wear girl pants?

I lol'd



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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:18pm
my uncle's gay. he's cool.

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

Do your parents hate you?



No.

I told them winter break of last year, and they couldn't have been more
accepting and loving about it. They support me 110%.


Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

What is your opinion on guys who wear girl pants?

Whatever they feel comfortable in. But no, not a turn on.
Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

my uncle's gay. he's cool.

We always are


Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:20pm
no, there's some gay people who are lame

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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:22pm
Not to be rude, but why is it that your people always work at abercrombie?

Why did you not like sex with women?


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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

not a turn on




even gay guys don't like it.


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Posted By: djrox
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:22pm

Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

Do your parents hate you?



No.

I told them winter break of last year, and they couldn't have been more
accepting and loving about it. They support me 110%.

That was a serious question. I know a gay guy who was a senior when I was a freshman and when he came out, his dad(hard ass) was not happy. He always tried to get him into sports and stuff like that, but he never wanted to. But whatever, they're fine now.



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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Not to be rude, but why is it that your people always
work at abercrombie? Why did you not like sex with women?

First LOL @ "your people"

Second, I'm not sure. Most gay guys have at least SOME sense of style
because we're not afraid to look nice and be accused of being
homosexual. See what I mean?

Why am I
physically attracted to guys? I have no idea. Just born that way.


Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Do your parents hate
you?
No. I told them winter break of last year, and they couldn't
have been more accepting and loving about it. They support me 110%.

That was a serious question. I know a gay guy who was a senior when I
was a freshman and when he came out, his dad(hard ass) was not happy. He
always tried to get him into sports and stuff like that, but he never wanted
to. But whatever, they're fine now.


I know it was a serious question, thats why I gave you a serious answer. My
best friend came out and his mom called him every single day for about 3
weeks leaving voicemails calling him all sorts of bad stuff, she tried to
withdraw his student loan, basically disowned him. I got lucky to have my
parents.


Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

You're not gonna date your hand.






Hell yes I am.



We've had a happy relationship for 6 years now.


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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:27pm
I just noticed some serious irony with your name.

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

I just noticed some serious irony with your name.

yes, having the first two initials B and J made me destined to be gay


Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:30pm
Make up, yay or nay? Also, do you have the "gay lisp"?

Also, it takes some pretty large balls to admit your gay on this forum.



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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:31pm

Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

I just noticed some serious irony with your name.

Heheheheh...

 

Maturity is in fact overrated.



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Posted By: djrox
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:31pm
What kind of music do gay people listen to?

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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:32pm
Was there any awkward moments in sports or gym class?



You know, locker rooms.


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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

Was there any awkward moments in sports or gym
class?You know, locker rooms.

No.
Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

What kind of music do gay people listen to?

I listen to everything really. Except rap and country. Top 3 bands probably
blue october, eve 6, and deftones

Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Make up, yay or nay? Also, do you have the "gay lisp"?
Also, it takes some pretty large balls to admit your gay on this forum.


You won't catch me dead with makeup on.
No I do not have the gay lisp I talk like a regular dude.
And thanks.


Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

   
 
 
 born that way.


Oh, thats it blame it on your mom...pfft no respect.......













j/k.


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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:41pm
Is striker gay too?  Is he the one who got disowned?


Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by WGP guy2 WGP guy2 wrote:

Is striker gay too?  Is he the one who got disowned?

Not touchin that one sorry


Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:46pm

nice of you to call out someone elses personal life wpg....

either way, i think its good that your open about it enough to have posted it here bjelder.



Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

nice of you to call out someone elses personal life
wpg....


either way, i think its good that your open about it enough to have posted
it here bjelder.


Thank you sir


Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:50pm
Alright, srsly..


What's an impressive size to you?


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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

Alright, srsly..What's an impressive size to you?

404 funny not found


Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:53pm
bj-one thing....i noticed you posted a lot on this topic so i dont know if you ran into it yet or not, the spam filter, keeps you from posting alot, its stupid, but its life...to get around it just go back and edit posts, it'll be easier


Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:54pm
I actually have a great many gay friends (male and female). I think they've gravitated to me partly because I'm the only Christian Republican they've met who doesn't try to convert them in either category... (Though I do know several gay Christians as well.)

My only issue (and I've only really seen this with gay men) is how many of them are overly open with their sex lives... Like lurid details and such... And how willing SOME of them are to jump into the sack with other people. I really think they're doing themselves a disservice by not taking intimate relationships more seriously than that. But then, I often feel that way about hetero men who are "just trying to get laid" also.

You've got to find your own way. I'll be totally honest in saying that I'm not certain you're on the right path, but I also won't judge you for disagreeing with me... I think I stopped being arrogant enough to believe I know what's best for other people around 12 years ago.

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

bj-one thing....i noticed you posted a lot on this
topic so i dont know if you ran into it yet or not, the spam filter, keeps
you
from posting alot, its stupid, but its life...to get around it just go back
and
edit posts, it'll be easier

oh yes i've run into it haha.
i'll keep it in mind thanks.
i've been posting for a while here just under different names.
i used to be quite the trouble maker

Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

I actually have a great many gay friends (male and
female). I think they've gravitated to me partly because I'm the only
Christian Republican they've met who doesn't try to convert them in either
category... (Though I do know several gay Christians as well.)

My only issue (and I've only really seen this with gay men) is how many of
them are overly open with their sex lives... Like lurid details and such...
And how willing SOME of them are to jump into the sack with other
people. I really think they're doing themselves a disservice by not taking
intimate relationships more seriously than that. But then, I often feel that
way about hetero men who are "just trying to get laid" also.

You've got to find your own way. I'll be totally honest in saying that I'm
not certain you're on the right path, but I also won't judge you for
disagreeing with me... I think I stopped being arrogant enough to believe
I know what's best for other people around 12 years ago.


This is very true. A lot of gay guys give us a bad name by being quite
premiscuous. I ride motorcycles and people automatically smack a label
on me as being one of those guys that weaves in and out of traffic at 100
mph.
I can tell you're obviously an older guy, and times really have changed.
Without sounding rude, you cant really know what path I'm on. I'm
18 years old and flying 1.3 million dollar airplanes for 4 times minimum
wage. I wouldn't change a single thing about my life.
I didn't choose to be gay, but I DID choose to make the best out of my life
and make my own path, and I think i'm doing an alright job.
I definately appreciate your mature approach to it and you're to be
commended for not trying to "change" me like a lot of ignorant anti-gay
individuals.


Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

Alright, srsly..What's an impressive size to you?

404 funny not found



I was not trying to be funny, I was actually interested.


but w/e.


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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:


Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

Alright, srsly..What's an impressive
size to you?

404 funny not found
I was not trying to be funny, I was actually
interested.but w/e.

Oh hehe . Not sure I can dive into that one though.


Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:01pm

what do you think of the whole gays in the military thing and how they cant be open?

i filled out a form today (as did everyone else) just a checked a box thing really, but it was saying that i understood that if i in anyway say or suggest that im going to say/do anything homosexual, that i would be dropped from rotc and the army.

there was some other discrimination thing i had to check to, i forget what that was about though, maybe im thinking of the privacy act thing



Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

what do you think of the whole gays in the
military thing and how they cant be open?


i filled out a form today (as did everyone else) just a checked a box
thing really, but it was saying that i understood that if i in anyway say or
suggest that im going to say/do anything homosexual, that i would be
dropped from rotc and the army.


there was some other discrimination thing i had to check to, i forget
what that was about though, maybe im thinking of the privacy act thing[/
P]


My personal opinion is that if we want to defend our country, then we
should be able to do so. You've probably seen the interviews, the only
people that actualy care about homosexuals being in the army are the
upper-ranking people who say it would be bad for troops morale. Fast
forward to an interview with most troops and they say that they couldn't
care less!
Why anybody would turn down someone willing to sacrafice their lives for
our country (when the ONLY thing "wrong" with them is that they are gay)
is completely beyond me.

Dont-ask don't-tell is alright... I think they should just forget the whole
thing and let gay people be themselves.

edit- good job on your army thing! better than I could do haha.


Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:12pm
though i am against homosexuality and gay marriage, i do believe gays should be treated as equals. The ones that are to open with their sexuality and lifestyle are annoying and i can understand why they give some gays a "bad name." I know one gay that goes to my school, (small school of 170) and hes probably the nicest person ive ever meet.

now a question. Why do you think you were born with your sexuality? For me i dont think its possible, i think its a desicion or choise in ones life to choose what their sexuality is. So what are you thoughts on that?


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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:14pm
How can you not like tits? A bigger concern of mine is this, why couldn't a lesbian and a gay guy hook up?


Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:15pm
What are your thoughts about lesbians? 

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:

What are your thoughts about lesbians? 

I like them, they're often the nicest and sweetest people on earth.

Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

though i am against homosexuality and gay
marriage, i do believe gays should be treated as equals. The ones that are
to open with their sexuality and lifestyle are annoying and i can
understand why they give some gays a "bad name." I know one gay that
goes to my school, (small school of 170) and hes probably the nicest
person ive ever meet. now a question. Why do you think you were born
with your sexuality? For me i dont think its possible, i think its a desicion
or choise in ones life to choose what their sexuality is. So what are you
thoughts on that?

Do you think somebody CHOOSES to face the stuff that we go through
every single day?
Anti-gay stuff isn't over, its happening right now. My boyfriend and I can't
be together because his dad found out and said that my bf wasn't his son
anmore. His dad blamed me for his son being gay and forbid me from
seeing, talking to, or ever associating with him again.



Do you think I chose to be treated like that?

This isn't a sob story, I'm not expecting sympathy or anything lol. I'm a
big boy and can take care of myself. Just being brutally honest.


Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

How can you not like tits? A bigger concern of mine is this, why couldn't a lesbian and a gay guy hook up?

Too busy discussing interior design.


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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:

What are your thoughts about lesbians? 

I like them, they're often the nicest and sweetest people on earth.

Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

though i am against homosexuality and gay
marriage, i do believe gays should be treated as equals. The ones that are
to open with their sexuality and lifestyle are annoying and i can
understand why they give some gays a "bad name." I know one gay that
goes to my school, (small school of 170) and hes probably the nicest
person ive ever meet. now a question. Why do you think you were born
with your sexuality? For me i dont think its possible, i think its a desicion
or choise in ones life to choose what their sexuality is. So what are you
thoughts on that?

Do you think somebody CHOOSES to face the stuff that we go through
every single day?
Anti-gay stuff isn't over, its happening right now. My boyfriend and I can't
be together because his dad found out and said that my bf wasn't his son
anmore. His dad blamed me for his son being gay and forbid me from
seeing, talking to, or ever associating with him again.





Do you think I chose to be treated like that?



How old are you guys? if your over 18 tell his dad to shove it.


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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:21pm

so about the tits thing?



Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

so about the tits thing?


it was purposely ignored

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

How can you not like tits? A bigger concern of mine
is this, why couldn't a lesbian and a gay guy hook up?
Too busy
discussing interior design.

Not gonna lie, that got my funny bone


Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:23pm
dumb spam blocker made me double post...


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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:


Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:

What are your thoughts about
lesbians? 

I like them, they're often the nicest and sweetest people on earth.

Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

though i am against homosexuality and gay
marriage, i do believe gays should be treated as equals. The ones that are
to open with their sexuality and lifestyle are annoying and i can
understand why they give some gays a "bad name." I know one gay that
goes to my school, (small school of 170) and hes probably the nicest
person ive ever meet. now a question. Why do you think you were born
with your sexuality? For me i dont think its possible, i think its a desicion
or choise in ones life to choose what their sexuality is. So what are you
thoughts on that?

Do you think somebody CHOOSES to face the stuff that we go through
every single day?
Anti-gay stuff isn't over, its happening right now. My boyfriend and I can't
be together because his dad found out and said that my bf wasn't his son
anmore. His dad blamed me for his son being gay and forbid me from
seeing, talking to, or ever associating with him again.



Do you think I chose to be treated like that?
How old are you
guys? if your over 18 tell his dave to shove it.


Except his dad is paying for his college. So if I do see him, it will prevent
him from going to college. Student loans would be a no-go because he
wouldn't be able to find a cosigner.

At this point, when you truly love somebody, you want what is best for
them. And if it means me not talking to him, as miserable as it is, if it
keeps him in college then its worth it.


Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Without sounding rude, you cant really know what path I'm on.


That would be precisely why it's not appropriate for me to take an authoritative stance on your business... I only see from the eyes of one man and all that I "know" is admittedly colored by perspective and worldview.

From my perspective and from my life experience, it seems to me that gay people probably do choose (whether consciously or not is another question) to be gay. I think pretty much everyone, on one level or another, chooses their path on every level. I know, for myself, I've actively chosen pretty much every path I've ever followed.

But HERE's the kicker... And this is the most important thing I've said so far... Since we're not talking about me, it really doesn't matter what I think or what MY life experiences tell ME about ME. We're talking about YOU and I haven't spent a solitary moment living your life or walking in your shoes. So, while I reserve the right to suspect you've chosen more than you realize you've chosen, that point is entirely immaterial.

To answer to one comment you made... I am 32 years old, but life has aged me far beyond my years. I've been a United States Marine and have taken actions that cost people, both enemy and ally, their lives. I've been a SWAT-trained Officer with the Warrant Service Division for the State of Arkansas in affiliation with the Little Rock Police Department, a position that almost cost me my life as I became the first Arkansas Warrant Service Officer in the history of the department to be shot in the line of duty. One of my brothers shot himself in front of me, in my house, on June 6th, 2003. My wife (27 at the time) was diagnosed with Stage 3 (just shy of needing dialysis) kidney failure last year. The list goes on, but suffice to say I've got more than 32 years of stress on my shoulders.

Some people use life experience as an excuse to delude themselves into thinking they've seen enough to know what they're talking about. For my observation, the wise learn through experience that they've seen enough to realize how little they will ever truly know for certain... And how limited their view on the world is, seeing from the perspective of one in 6+ billion people on this dying earth.

So... The ONE thing I insist from people is respect for others. It's the one truth I hold to be immutable.

(I'll shut up now.)

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Without sounding rude, you cant
really know what path I'm on.


That would be precisely why it's not appropriate for me to take an
authoritative stance on your business... I only see from the eyes of one
man and all that I "know" is admittedly colored by perspective and
worldview.

From my perspective and from my life experience, it seems to me that
gay people probably do choose (whether consciously or not is another
question) to be gay. I think pretty much everyone, on one level or
another, chooses their path on every level. I know, for myself, I've actively
chosen pretty much every path I've ever followed.

But HERE's the kicker... And this is the most important thing I've said so
far... Since we're not talking about me, it really doesn't matter what I think
or what MY life experiences tell ME about ME. We're talking about YOU
and I haven't spent a solitary moment living your life or walking in your
shoes. So, while I reserve the right to suspect you've chosen more than
you realize you've chosen, that point is entirely immaterial.

To answer to one comment you made... I am 32 years old, but life has
aged me far beyond my years. I've been a United States Marine and have
taken actions that cost people, both enemy and ally, their lives. I've been
a SWAT-trained Officer with the Warrant Service Division for the State of
Arkansas in affiliation with the Little Rock Police Department, a position
that almost cost me my life as I became the first Arkansas Warrant Service
Officer in the history of the department to be shot in the line of duty. One
of my brothers shot himself in front of me, in my house, on June 6th,
2003. My wife (27 at the time) was diagnosed with Stage 3 (just shy of
needing dialysis) kidney failure last year. The list goes on, but suffice to
say I've got more than 32 years of stress on my shoulders.

Some people use life experience as an excuse to delude themselves into
thinking they've seen enough to know what they're talking about. For my
observation, the wise learn through experience that they've seen enough
to realize how little they will ever truly know for certain... And how limited
their view on the world is, seeing from the perspective of one in 6+
billion people on this dying earth.

So... The ONE thing I insist from people is respect for others. It's the one
truth I hold to be immutable.

(I'll shut up now.)


VERY well said.


Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:27pm
So no tits? I mean damn... Also I must say that I'm with sandman on the choice thing. I'm from the school of thought that you can will yourself into or out of anything without even realizing it's happening.


Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Without sounding rude, you cant really know what path I'm on.


That would be precisely why it's not appropriate for me to take an authoritative stance on your business... I only see from the eyes of one man and all that I "know" is admittedly colored by perspective and worldview.

From my perspective and from my life experience, it seems to me that gay people probably do choose (whether consciously or not is another question) to be gay. I think pretty much everyone, on one level or another, chooses their path on every level. I know, for myself, I've actively chosen pretty much every path I've ever followed.

But HERE's the kicker... And this is the most important thing I've said so far... Since we're not talking about me, it really doesn't matter what I think or what MY life experiences tell ME about ME. We're talking about YOU and I haven't spent a solitary moment living your life or walking in your shoes. So, while I reserve the right to suspect you've chosen more than you realize you've chosen, that point is entirely immaterial.

To answer to one comment you made... I am 32 years old, but life has aged me far beyond my years. I've been a United States Marine and have taken actions that cost people, both enemy and ally, their lives. I've been a SWAT-trained Officer with the Warrant Service Division for the State of Arkansas in affiliation with the Little Rock Police Department, a position that almost cost me my life as I became the first Arkansas Warrant Service Officer in the history of the department to be shot in the line of duty. One of my brothers shot himself in front of me, in my house, on June 6th, 2003. My wife (27 at the time) was diagnosed with Stage 3 (just shy of needing dialysis) kidney failure last year. The list goes on, but suffice to say I've got more than 32 years of stress on my shoulders.

Some people use life experience as an excuse to delude themselves into thinking they've seen enough to know what they're talking about. For my observation, the wise learn through experience that they've seen enough to realize how little they will ever truly know for certain... And how limited their view on the world is, seeing from the perspective of one in 6+ billion people on this dying earth.

So... The ONE thing I insist from people is respect for others. It's the one truth I hold to be immutable.

(I'll shut up now.)


Sorry to hear all of that.


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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:29pm
What's the cheapest way to get a ppl (and maybe further certifications) from an airport within a 20 minute drive from Daytona?

You said we could ask ANYTHING.

Also:

How do you respond to the people that confront you with hostility (not physically) about your orientation?


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:33pm
Oh, and rofl if this is sureshot with a new account.. 

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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:35pm
Nope. He is really the person he is talking about.

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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:

Sorry to hear all of that.


LOL, don't be.

At worst, all the many things that have occurred and are occurring make me weary... In a lot of ways, life has truly lost its luster and I simply exist because it is not appropriate yet for me to die. And while that may sound depressing, it's an incredible release of tension when you finally come to the conclusion that life can't throw anything worse at you than it already has.

At best, these things make me strong and sure. I go through life supremely confident in my abilities to make correct decisions, under stress or otherwise, for myself and my family.

All told, it's all life... And everyone's got to live theirs.

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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:35pm

On the choice thing, two points:

1.  If homosexuals "choose" to be gay, then conversely straight people "choose" that too.  Question for all the straight folk here:  When/how did you "choose" to be straight?

2.  I can't even choose to like celery or beer.  I have tried hard to like both of those, and I have tried hard to choose to like them, but I still hate both celery and beer.  If I can't even choose a preference in vegetables and beverages, how on Earth did I "choose" to prefer girls?  Virtually every preference of mine just is, without my input.  Why should that one be different?



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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Nope. He is really the person he is talking about.


Yeah, it's definitely Bart.


Been to BD's lately?


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

On the choice thing, two points:

1.  If homosexuals "choose" to be gay, then conversely straight people "choose" that too.  Question for all the straight folk here:  When/how did you "choose" to be straight?

2.  I can't even choose to like celery or beer.  I have tried hard to like both of those, and I have tried hard to choose to like them, but I still hate both celery and beer.  If I can't even choose a preference in vegetables and beverages, how on Earth did I "choose" to prefer girls?  Virtually every preference of mine just is, without my input.  Why should that one be different?


Because God said so..


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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:37pm

Adversity knocks on everyones door



Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

What's the cheapest way to get a ppl (and maybe further
certifications) from an airport within a 20 minute drive from Daytona?You
said we could ask ANYTHING.Also:How do you respond to the people that
confront you with hostility (not physically) about your orientation?

Air America. 172's are only 98, instructors are 28.

I've never been hostily confronted about my orientation.

I see my business as being MY business, so I keep most of that stuff to
myself. When gay guys make moves on straight guys is when trouble starts.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:39pm
Do gay people really have "gaydar"?

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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:40pm
No tits? Thats like having a car but you cant ever drive it.

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:41pm
Da Hui, shut up already.

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

so about the tits thing?

Lest there be any doubt, this is not forum appropriate language.

I understand that a discussion about sexuality can tapdance the line a bit, but let's at least try to keep our language selection polite.



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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Also I must say that
I'm with sandman on the choice thing. I'm from the school of thought that
you can will yourself into or out of anything without even realizing it's
happening.

In a sense, you're right. I could will myself into being straight. I even had
girlfriends along the way in high school.

But I would never be ME. It was not a choice to be gay, however it WAS a
choice to live a gay life. I could still be living a straight life if I wanted to
but where on earth could I find happiness in that?

Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Thats like having a car but you cant ever drive
it.

To each his or her own.

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Do gay people really have "gaydar"?

Some claim to. I sure as heck don't I'm horrible at guessing.


Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

so about the tits thing?

Lest there be any doubt, this is not forum appropriate language.

I understand that a discussion about sexuality can tapdance the line a bit, but let's at least try to keep our language selection polite.



Perhaps Nipples should be said instead?


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

so about the jugs thing?

Lest there be any doubt, this is not forum appropriate language.

I understand that a discussion about sexuality can tapdance the line a bit, but let's at least try to keep our language selection polite.


List of appropriate euphemisms for breasts?


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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:


so about the tits thing?



Lest there be any doubt, this is not forum appropriate language.


I understand that a discussion about sexuality can tapdance the line a bit,
but let's at least try to keep our language selection polite.

List of
appropriate euphemisms for breats?

sand bags


Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:45pm

Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:


Perhaps Nipples should be said instead?

I'll be more specific:  Discussion about sexual orientation = good.  Graphic discussion about sex = bad.  The closer you are getting to the latter the badder, regardless of word selection.



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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:46pm
Now that really does them injustice..‮


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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:47pm
Well since he is gay how about we drop the breast all together.

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Now that really does them injustice.. I vote jugs in
honor of the Man Show.

It was from 40 y/o virgin

But yeah guys lets try to keep this about orientation, not about certain
activities.


Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:48pm
Ok, your stance on manboobs. Or body size in general..‮

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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

On the choice thing, two points:


1.  If homosexuals "choose" to be gay, then conversely straight people "choose" that too.  Question for all the straight folk here:  When/how did you "choose" to be straight?


2.  I can't even choose to like celery or beer.  I have tried hard to like both of those, and I have tried hard to choose to like them, but I still hate both celery and beer.  If I can't even choose a preference in vegetables and beverages, how on Earth did I "choose" to prefer girls?  Virtually every preference of mine just is, without my input.  Why should that one be different?



1a. Many choices are made over a long period of time and many of them are extremely difficult, or even impossible, to reverse once you've gone far enough down a given road. I chose to be a cynic. I now wish I hadn't, but I'm pretty much stuck. It's my worldview now. (It seemed like the cool and wise path at the time. The reality has turned out a little differently than the expectation.)

1b. I have always been attracted to both boys / men and girls / women (age qualifier depending on my age at the time.) I chose to pursue heterosexuality partly because of lack of exposure to any other option. As I got older and understood more (trying to find a way to put this delicately), I'd developed such a digust for poop that the thought of anal sex of any kind now makes my stomach turn.

2a. I can and have. I hated beer also but you CANNOT get away with hating beer in Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (the Marines) so I developed a taste for it over time. I'm now an avid beer drinker.

2b. For my part, I believe the difference lies in one's power over their own mind and how conscious they are of what exactly goes on inside their heads on a moment to moment basis. Partly because of the Marine Corps, I have developed a killer mastery of my own mind right up until I hit emotions (have to figure out how to get rid of those darn things), then everything gets screwed up.

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Ok, your stance on manboobs. Or body size in
general..?

I'm not 100% sure what this has to do with the topic...


Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Ok, your stance on manboobs. Or body size in
general..?

I'm not 100% sure what this has to do with the topic...


he wants to know what your physically attracted to.


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:51pm
I'll rephrase, are fat guys the gay equivalent of the stereotypical heterosexual "no fat chicks?"

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:


Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Ok, your stance on
manboobs.
Or body size in
general..?

I'm not 100% sure what this has to do with the topic...
he wants
to
know what your physically attracted to.

Fine, fine. I'm attracted just your average all american guy. Anorexic
lookin
dudes creep me out. Long hair is a no-no.

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

I'll rephrase, are fat guys the gay equivalent of
the stereotypical heterosexual "no fat chicks?"

Eh, you have your different little "niches". You may or may not have heard
of the "bear community" where its pretty much ALL heavy-set, older guys.
Like I said, to each his own.


Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:52pm
/keeps his long hair




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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

I'll rephrase, are fat guys the gay equivalent of the stereotypical heterosexual "no fat chicks?"



Unless you can keep your friends from finding out.








Question: What was your first intimate experience with, male or female?


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

I'll rephrase, are fat guys the gay equivalent of the stereotypical heterosexual "no fat chicks?"



Unless you can keep your friends from finding out.








Question: What was your first intimate experience with, male or female?

Obligatory UR MOM! ‮


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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

I'll be more specific:  Discussion about sexual orientation = good.  Graphic discussion about sex = bad.  The closer you are getting to the latter the badder, regardless of word selection.



Badder?

Wow...



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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:56pm
Do you have a biohazard tattoo, if not. Do you look for men with them? And do you know what it symbolizes?

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:


What was your first intimate experience with, male or female?


Not Forum appropiate.

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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by 636andy636. 636andy636. wrote:

Do you have a biohazard tattoo, if not. Do you look
for men with them? And do you know what it symbolizes?

No, no, and no..?


Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

I'll be more specific:  Discussion about sexual orientation = good.  Graphic discussion about sex = bad.  The closer you are getting to the latter the badder, regardless of word selection.



Badder?

Wow...

Had to go with the rhyme.  Got to if I have time.



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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

I'll be more specific:  Discussion about sexual orientation = good.  Graphic discussion about sex = bad.  The closer you are getting to the latter the badder, regardless of word selection.



Badder?

Wow...


I say you use your mod controls just to spellcheck other mods.


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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:


What was your first intimate experience with, male or female?


Not Forum appropiate.


How is that not forum appropriate? He didn't ask for details, just wanted to know what sex it was with. Just because it makes you uncomfortable does not mean its inappropriate.


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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 19 July 2007 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by bjelder33 bjelder33 wrote:

Originally posted by 636andy636. 636andy636. wrote:

Do you have a biohazard tattoo, if not. Do you look
for men with them? And do you know what it symbolizes?

No, no, and no..?


"Gift giving." Some homosexuals have a HIV fetish and go for other men with the biohazard tattoo hoping to get 'the' gift.


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