My thoughts about christians
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Topic: My thoughts about christians
Posted By: __sneaky__
Subject: My thoughts about christians
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 1:20am
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Thats christians, not the christianity... I have no problem with the belief, but its when Christians (and I know not all of them are like this) ignore what their own beliefs say, and threaten to "kick my ass" and tell me to "have fun in hell" just for me stating my own opinions... And yet somehow they see nothing wrong with this? maybe its just a dumb missouri redneck thing... but it gets really annoying... thoughts? ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 1:26am
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 1:26am
| I'm going to kick your ass, then you will have fun in hell when you die. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 1:30am
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Hurray for generalizations.
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 1:45am
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anyone else read that as "my thoughts on christmas" ?
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:08am
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saying "you will go to hell" is just wrong. As a Christian myself, just saying that without explaining it or going into a conversation is very wrong. Gives Christians a bad name. i will no go out and say it to random people, its wrong. ------------- http://imageshack.us">  
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:40am
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Why should you Christian's be saying it at all? It's not like you yourselves decide our fate, according to your beliefs.
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:41am
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I think people should just stop giving their opinions on different groups of people.
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:44am
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It is my opinion that no one here cares what any one else's opinions are. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist."
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:48am
| Sneaky, was it you on the forum who burned a bible or was that someone else? |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:50am
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Sneaky, you should tell the christians that they are in fact, hypocrites, and therefore going to hell because of it. ------------- X |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 2:59am
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SO DAMN INDIE.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:08am
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I have a personal problem in the current with Christianity and their mainstream views on homosexuality. The problem is so damn hypocritical it's hard to fathom. Yes it is true the God spoke onto word that homosexuality was deplorable, and one of his least accepted sins. However, Jesus turns around and states that the entire law, THEE ENTIRE LAW, is summed up by two things, love your god with all your heart and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself (May very well be a bit mis-worded) I fail to see how one can disown gays from the church, and not allow their marriage, if one at the same time loves them as ones self. Secondly - Jesus also stated that it is not for us to judge, lest we in turn be judged accordingly. I fail to understand how churches can decide not to accept gays, but not expect to be held accountable for passing judgment. Perhaps some of the other Christians in here can shed some light on that, before I discuss it with my pastor. ------------- |
Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:10am
| very well said stealth |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:13am
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Jesus himself also whipped and scourged the money changers at the temple while they were conducting business in on the sabath.
Not supposed to work or handle money on the sabbath according to Jewish law, it was a crime against God. It angered jesus and he drove them out by the lash of a bull whip. Not really loving your neighbor is it? Some view acting on homosexuality as a sin or a crime against god, only they arent about to whip and beat any homosexual, albeit, it does happen though, we call these things hate crimes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:20am
I recall the story saying he flipped over their tables, and drove them from the temple, I have no recollection of him whipping them... Quote reference as well as version? ------------- |
DBibeau855 wrote:Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:21am
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:29am
I absolutely did. My problem with anyone who hides behind a bible is the fact that they do just that. People who say others will go to hell because of the way that they chose to live their lives and then think that they are perfect because they are religious. My example: My sister passed away shortly before my 12th birthday due to a blood infection. My father, brother, and I were all baptised Catholic (none of us by choice I might add). My mother never converted to the Catholic religion and remaind Prodestant. She still came to church with us and sang in the church choir. One day a lady who works at the church approached my mother and said "You know, maybe your daughter died because you aren't Catholic." Now I never enjoyed church before and even at that age I was smart enough to understand where that kind of talk was coming from. Only the Bible and Religion could make someone feel that they had the right to say that. Now I don't care what you believe as far as religion goes, but I warn all of you that if any of you say that you feel the lady from my church was right in what she said (even as a joke) I'll hunt you down. That sort of thing is never acceptable/funny on any level. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:32am
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Hm, i just looked up the passage. I wonder where i got the whipping from. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 7:51am
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The problem is the literalists, who obviously inturpret the Bible word for word. Much of the Bible (more specifically the Old Testament and the Parables) is symbolism, and lessons need to be taken from them and be applied to today's society as we see fit. What gives us a bad name is the literalists who view things in a much too serious matter (foul language sends you to hell, tradgedy is punishment for sin, because you're a different religion you're going to hell or your family is going to be punished, God doesn't love gays, etc..) and it just so happens that these extremests are the most vocal of much the christian/catholic community because the figure the Bible word for word backs up their argument. It's a shame, really, that there are these such people because not only does it give us a bad reputation, but it scares people off from any kind of christian related faith. Many modern interpretations use stories and texts from the Bible, but apply them in a much more accepting way to today's society. Many techings now say that gays are to be accepted (and they should be...) as are people of other religions. All religions are accepted in the eyes of God that don't denounce him and are reasonable and for lack of a better term 'sane' in their beliefs. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 8:02am
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Does anybody here realize that Christianity is a polytheist religion, just like the religions it used to persecute people for?
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 8:34am
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How so? -------------
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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:00am
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:09am
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I couldnt count how many times I have been told that I'm going to hell by super uptight Christians. Kinda funny how they claim to know the bible so well, yet they are judging others.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:09am
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Unless I'm mistaken, most sects of Christianity (except the Jehovah's Witnesses) believe in the "Holy Trinity". The Father (God) The Son (Jesus) And the Holy Ghost (I don't know what that is) On top of that, some Christians worship the Virgin Mary and the Saints for their miracles. Some think baby Jesus has more power than adult Jesus. Most people seem to worship more these "lesser" people instead of God himself. Heck, you all believe that Satan can also do miraculous (but evil) deeds. One would think that if your Trinity was the one (actually three) true god(s), then it'd be able and willing to stop Satan's doings with little effort. Also, didn't Jacob wrestle and beat Yahweh (god, before the coming of Jesus). Would he not also be a god for beating the "all powerful" big cheese, who had to ask Jacob to let him free? Genesis 32:26 "The man said, 'Let me go, for day is breaking.'" Genesis 32:28 "The man said, 'Your name will no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have wrestled with God and with men, and you have prevailed.'" If they all have some sort of extreme unseen power, does it not make them gods too? It seems to parallel the ancient Greek gods. All have varying levels of power but are all gods nonetheless. There are fathers and mothers to gods, people who repel the gods but are godlike themselves. If angels can perform miracles, are they not gods too? Looks to me like you've got not one, but multiple gods. How can that be explained besides saying "God works in mysterious ways." -------------
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:34am
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:45am
I tried to include the fact that different sects have different beliefs regarding divinity. It just seems that no matter how you look at it, each sect believes in multiple gods, even though they don't call them gods. -------------
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:11am
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In the christian religion, Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit/Ghost are all viewed as part of a singular 'body' of God himself. So, we are monotheistic. When you say worship, it does not mean that they are God, nor does it make them gods. Jacob acknowledged the presence of God, so this disqualifies him to be one. The fight was simply a test of faith given to him by God. Angels can perform miracles because God has given them the power to do so and as such they are inspired to do just that. Saints are also people who have been inspired by God and anybody can be named a saint if they have done some kind of a miracle through God. The Vatican examines evidence and if it truly is a miracle - something that cannot be explained through science, logic, or fact - that person can rightfully be named a saint. Also, the sects of christianity only worship God himself, although there may be different names - Allah, Yaweh (or YHWH, as the Jewish faith prints it as a sign of respect for not saying his name), or simply God. Now, this is through the eyes of a Christian, and as such we believe in God being the only god. These other people you are mentioning that would be gods are usually just recipients of divine inspiration, and because they acknowledge the presence of God himself and do not challenge his goodness and authority, are what they are today in the christian church. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:22am
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Personally, I find people like sneaky just as annoying as the christians they spend all day bashing. "I don't like christians because they bash my beliefs, so in turn I will go and bash their beliefs." I find it ironic that people like this call christians hypocrites.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:33am
I still fail to see how they can be considered the same, even though they are separate entities. From what I understand, a god is an entity that has supernatural powers. Nothing more, nothing less. The gods envisioned by the ancients all had different powers, but the powers were all supernatural and the gods therefore divine. It was a view of divinity long before Christians and Jews came about. A god is something that pretty much cannot be seen, heard, or felt but can affect the world by breaking the laws of physics. If an angel or a saint is believed to have supernatural powers, what makes them NOT a god? And how can something that is clearly three seperate entities be considered one? -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:37am
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I think your definition is too broad by far, Tolga. By that definition, Kriss Angel is a god. To relate to your examples of the old gods - even as the old pagan polytheistic religions had a veritable pantheon of gods, they all also had other non-god supernatural creatures. The Gorgons, leprechauns, dragons, etc. Ability to supercede physics is a necessary but not sufficient criterion for godhood. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:44am
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What more does it take? Omnipotence? That would nullify any of the pagan gods as gods. My understanding of a god is something not on earth, that cannot be proven, and that is believed to affect the universe in supernatural ways. Isn't that something common to all gods that humans ever created? -------------
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:44am
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Its incredibly hard to explain the Holy Trinity as one to someone who has developed their beliefs and has a somewhat closed mind about it. The easiest way to explain it is this: God - The unseen one It has a lot to do with what you believe is a god and what I believe is God. A christian will view someone as unaturally talented, inspired, skilled, etc., where someone with your point of view could view them as a god. Why we don't is because we would view such a person as being gifted with whatever makes them unaturally or supernaturally talented, and view it as somehting God himself gave them. If you do not believe in God, then your view will differ from my own. I would say what makes them not a god is the fact that they aren't, because there is one God, and there cannot be another. This is what makes faith, faith, the fact that you have to believe some things and maintain this faith through times when you would start to lose it. I decided to believe in Catholisism because of the miracles that do occur, and this is they way I choose to explain such events. -------------
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 10:54am
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If you do what you truly believe in life, whether it be not believing in God or believing in God, but you do what you believe is right, you are destined for heaven. If you choose to do against what you believe, you will be punished unless you repent. I think Yomillio already pointed it out, but only the literalist actually go around and say "you are going to hell." Many people view christians this way because that is all people will consentrate on christians. No one consentrates on how good people are and what nice tings they do for others. It's like the news. 95% of the time, you will see nothing but bad things. Sure there is probably a lot of good things happening, but christians don't go around and say "look how good I am." This means we are trying to get instant gratitude which we would rather wait and receive gratitude by going to heaven. |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 11:12am
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Yes it would - and I have heard many Christians argue exactly that. But I don't think that omnipotence is required. Heck, I don't think any gods had true omnipotence before Yahweh showed up. That's a relatively new concept. I think one can define god any way one pleases, depending on the purpose. But I would suggest a definition based on "prayability". A god is something you worship with the expectation of positive return. You pray to the agricultural gods for rain, you pray to Yahweh for salvation, etc.
I think that is common to all gods - but as I indicated above I think that criterion is insufficient. As to the trinity: One can be Many. Let's say that a single human individual utilizes several on-line personae. For instance, such an individual might have multiple logins on paintball forums. It would be a simple matter for this individual to post in different styles with each account, giving outsiders the impression that these were different people. Heck, these personae might even argue with each other in earnest. This other day I beat myself at chess. Of all the strange things in Christianity, the Trinity bothers my the least, I think. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 11:28am
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But if omnipotence is required to be a god, then how is it that anything is considered to be a god by the Christian religion? Even "the one true" god was beaten by a human. And people pray to the virgin Mary and to the saints just as they do to Jesus and their god, and expect (and claim they received) something in return. It doesn't really bother me, I just want to completely understand the viewpoint of Christians. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 11:30am
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Atheism 2.0 fo sho.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 12:24pm
Jacob was the first Heavyweight Champion of the Universe. Only beaten by El Santo.  ------------- 
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Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 12:35pm
I, for one, have never prayed to Mary or any saints. That would be consider idolatry of someone/thing other than God, and which would be breaking the 10 commandments. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 12:40pm
Ok, I didn't read any of the other posts cause I don't want to get into a religious debate right before I go to basic. I just wanted to say that I agree with you, those kind of people must just skip over the parts in the Bible where Jesus tells us to love everybody. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:05pm
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:13pm
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:14pm
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:17pm
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You can. When you pray the "Our Father," who else would you be praying to? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:21pm
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:44pm
| You can pray to God all the time, just some people like to pray to certain saints because they are a patron for something like their is a saint for architectures, throats, or animals. These saints have huge symbolism so it lets people feel more at ease that they are praying to a saint that was known for what that person needs. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:53pm
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I'm not catholic, so I could be way off here... But isn't a prayer to a saint technically not a prayer to a saint? Aren't you theoretically petitioning the saint to pray to god on your behalf? Basically, the saint is a go-between, but the prayer is really directed at god? ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 20 July 2007 at 7:14pm
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