lol @ Gay Marriage Opponents
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Topic: lol @ Gay Marriage Opponents
Posted By: Susan Storm
Subject: lol @ Gay Marriage Opponents
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:41am
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I guess "domestic partnership" doesn't have the same effect as marriage after all... http://www.latimes.com/la-me-gaywed22jul22,0,315735.story?coll=la-home-center - http://www.latimes.com/la-me-gaywed22jul22,0,315735.story?co ll=la-home-center Talk about unintended consequences. Thus: lol ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:39pm
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Yeah, there needs to be a Federal standard for domestic partnership / civil unions and they need to have the same legal standing as marriages across the board. This whole situation is getting out of hand. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 4:26pm
| They're having their pie and eating it too. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 5:20pm
Is marriage regulated federally or by state? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
SandMan wrote:Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 5:22pm
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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 6:09pm
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ah joy
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 6:13pm
What's wrong with just allowing them to get married also? Why do they have to have a domestic partnership when you are pushing for it to have the same legal standing as marriage? ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 6:30pm
| Let them get married, how the heck does it affect you or your life in any way? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 6:36pm
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 6:49pm
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As long as there's something to fight about human nature is to fight over it.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:53pm
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I lol'd.
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:54pm
| As mexican crazy as that sounds it's got some merit. I mean I don't want to start anything but that hasn't stopped me before, but white heterosexual males are the minority now. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:56pm
RACIST -------------
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:57pm
Thats two offenses tonight! I feel a guesting coming on. |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:58pm
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Yep, that's why I called myself a without papers. |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:59pm
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RACIST PIG
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:00pm
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Word. Its so hard out there for us. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:01pm
Two points. 1) I am pretty sure you are wrong, statistically speaking. 2) So? ------------- 
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:05pm
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To the contrary - isn't it true almost be definition? Males = 52% of the population (roughly) Gay males = 5%-10% of the population (roughly) Thus, in an all-white population, no more than 49.4% of the population are straight white males. And since it's pretty hard to find an all-white population these days, I'd have to say that straight white males are in the minority most places except monastaries, coal mines and oil rigs. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:11pm
AND IN YOUR MOMS BEDROOOOOOOM -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:13pm
My question of "So?" still stands. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:13pm
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Absolutely. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 9:16pm
YOU HAVE YET TO RESPOND TO BEING BURRRNNNED -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:10pm
| I'm merely stating that we are, I have no problem with it other than the fact that others are crying about being the minority wrongfully so. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:20pm
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If white heterosexual males are a minority, who is the majority?
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:28pm
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Simple HV, those that cry loud enough long enough to become it. A big part of what makes white heterosexuals the minority is the fact that we roll over and let it happen. Also I think you guys are missing the point of the word minority, it's not just numbers, it's how society views the group, and right now I gotta say from my experience there arn't many benefits to being a straight white guy. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:29pm
No, it is numbers. Also, a majority does NOT mean whoever is over 50%, it means who has the highest percent. If every group is 20% of the population, but one group is 30%, they're the majority. |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:30pm
lollerskates ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:33pm
Hahaha...yeah...we have it so hard. Yeah, we get screwed in some areas, such as scholarships (at least where I am) but otherwise, we're doing pretty well for ourselves, thanks. |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:38pm
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From a socialogist standpoint, and that's what I'm basing my argument on, the minority is the group with the least amount of representation relative to the other groups of a society. Therfore white heterosexual males, are the minority. And we're doing well for ourselves becuase we're striving to do better not becuase we're handed free rides becuase we're "the minority" I have no problem with any race, religion, sexual orintation, etc. etc. but I know that I am doing fine for myself becuase I choose to do so. Not the right word to use there. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:45pm
That's not what a minority/ majority is. A majority just has to be more than anyone else. And the least representation? Are you kidding? Look at nearly every political leader, white straight males. Heck, look at almost any position of power in the western world (except richest man) |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:50pm
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You avoided my question so I'll ask again.. Who is the majority? Also I'm a little bothered by your use of THE when talking about minorities. In a diverse society such as our own, minorities are NOT like The Highlander. There cannot be only one. I bet I can make a safe assumption as to who you mean by "those that cry loudest." But, to be fair, do explain that comment. -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:55pm
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How easy is it for a straight white guy to throw a fit and get his way? Ask this very same question of "a minority" and see what happens. We have no pull in this society, who cares if every government official is a straight white man, the people that get their way are the ones that whine the most, and we don't whine becuase we're "the majority" and if we did whine we'd be just that, a bunch of whiners. do you see what I'm saying? I don't care, if I did I'd be whining, but instead what I'm doing is commenting on it to a group of forumers and moving on with my life.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:57pm
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Five Major Welfare Myths
Myth #1: The typical welfare recipient is a black inner city single mother. The Census Bureau's most recent annual poverty report found that urban black mothers constitute less than one out of six of all poor households. Rural white families account for more--one out of five. White surburban families accountfor even more--one out of four. Myth #2: The poor are lazy. Forty percent of poor adults work, although many cannot find full time jobs. Indeed, even when they do they may still be in poverty. Some 11 million jobs in 1991 paid less than $11,500, $2,000 under the official poverty level for a family of four. Of those poor adults who don't work, 90 percent fall into the following categories: 22 percent are disabled, 17 percent are in school, 21 percent are elderly retirees, 31 percent have family responsibilities. Myth #3: Welfare mothers breed welfare daughters. Two long term studies reported by the House Ways and Means Committee in 1992 found that only about one in five daughters of "highly welfare dependent" mothers themselves become highly dependent on welfare. The rest rely on welfare sporadically or not at all. Myth #4: Throwing people off the welfare rolls will eventually improve their lives and save taxpayers money. The most celebrated experiment in welfare reform has occurred in Michigan. Governor Engler completely eliminated his state's $240 million General Assistance(GA) payments to 83,000 childless, able bodied adults.Only 8 percent of these former GA recipients found employment and they earn an average of only $120 a week. Many sell blood for $20 a pint. Over one third lost their homes when the program ended. As one study notes, if only 5 percent of these former GA recipients end up in prison or a state psychiatric institution all the taxpayer savings from ending General Assistance will be lost. Myth #5: Welfare is cheaper than creating well paying public jobs. In his book "Securing the Right to Employment", Philip Harvey calculates that in 1986 we could have achieved full employment by creating l0.4 million public service jobs. He further assumed that the average annual wage would be $13,000. The cost of such a program would have been a daunting $142 billion. But when we deduct from this sum the taxes that would be paid by these new workers and the savings from drastically reduced unemployment insurance payments, welfare , Medicaid, food stamps and other expenditures directly linked to low income and unemployment overall we would have spent $13 billion less. A full employment program, even excluding the social savingsfrom reduced family violence, more stable communities, and less crime, pays for itself in reduced welfare expenditures. If we can overcome these five myths about welfare we may well engage in a national dialogue with meaningful results, not only for the one in five Americans who now live in poverty, but for the nation as a whole. But this will occur only when we challenge and overcome the welfare myths that paralyze our thinking. ------------- 
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:57pm
| HV I'm not pointing out specifics becuase of two reasons, one there are none. Every group has been the minority to our society except ours. Two, it is those that cry the loudest, they're the ones that get breastfed first. I'm tired and could care less what anyone thinks, what I feel is this, you pitch a fit around here and you win. |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 10:58pm
Why do you hate black people? -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:00pm
| Becuase Whiteolight they make some of the worst music I've ever heard. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:01pm
so you DO hate african americans. Is that your final answer? -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:03pm
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I'm not sure Regis can I phone my friend? |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:03pm
You have to be one of the most closed minded people I've ever E-met. -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:04pm
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And you must be one of the most gullable I've ever E-met. And Susan I'm sorry your thread got garbaged, I tried making a simple comment and people blew it out of proportion, myself included. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:07pm
Yeah, it's all terrible, and contributed nothing to the advancement of music. This is deffinitly a fair generalization to make. on an unrelated note: 
Also, you're just straight up ignorant, wrong, misinformed and close minded on most of your arguments. |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:07pm
You're a jerk. -------------
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:10pm
And your avatar is all like... DUMB! -------------
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:10pm
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So you dislike;
Jazz, R&B, Gospel, Rock & Roll ? -------------
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:10pm
Ghost,             log off for ahwile, go outside or something.
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Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:11pm
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Hey Raz, way to be both ignorant and racist.
I'd consider either apologizing or stop posting. Otherwise, you're in for a world full of hurt. ------------- 
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 23 July 2007 at 11:13pm
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Razriz - I am honestly not sure if you are trolling or not. Are you honestly this disconnected from reality? On what planet is it a disadvantage to be a straight white male? I will grant you that there are some subgroups where this is true, but on the whole straight white men still are by far the most powerful group in the world. If you add up all the affirmative action programs in the world, formal and informal, you still don't come close to the daily advantage that straight white men have in practically every part of life. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 12:38am
I think hes just that disconnected. ------------- 
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 12:54am
Welfare? I'm not sure how this fits in to the orginal discussion, but I'll share an article from my home town newspaper...and its a good read too Luxury wheels while on welfare 01:00 AM EDT on Friday, July 13, 2007 By Amanda Milkovits Journal Staff Writer PROVIDENCE — A state welfare caseworker probably wouldn’t have known about the 2004 Porsche Cayenne, the 2004 Cadillac Escalade, or the 2002 BMW 745i and 2000 Lincoln Navigator that the police say were owned by welfare recipients allegedly running a lucrative crack-cocaine organization. The state Department of Human Services doesn’t check with the Division of Motor Vehicles to find out what vehicles are registered to people needing assistance, said acting Director Gary Alexander. Instead, the department relies on applicants to disclose what they’re driving — and if they don’t tell Human Services what they own, the caseworkers don’t know, he said. What Human Services didn’t detect, the Providence police and the Drug Enforcement Agency allegedly did. Their 18-month investigation uncovered what the police are calling the largest street drug-trafficking organization in the city in years — where eight of the top players were welfare recipients reaping thousands in profits and buying luxury vehicles with drug proceeds. A spokesman for Attorney General Patrick C. Lynch said yesterday that the state prosecutors were now investigating welfare fraud. During Wednesday’s news conference on the drug bust, Lynch talked about suspects “dealing poison, claiming welfare and driving expensive vehicles.” All of the luxury vehicles seized in the drug investigation, worth about $300,000, were owned by the alleged top drug operators and welfare recipients, according to the Providence police. The ring’s alleged chief executive officer is a pregnant mother on welfare — who bought a $45,000 Porsche, a Nissan Maxima, and paid $4,000 cash for a motorcycle, all of which she registered in her name, said Providence Detective Sgt. Patrick McNulty. In comparison, a single mother of two receives $554 a month in welfare benefits, not including food stamps and medical assistance, according to Human Services. The prosecutor handling the drug investigation met with Human Services officials yesterday to discuss the case. “It’s just so bad for the system, which relies on people of good will believing that their tax dollars are used properly,” said spokesman Michael J. Healey. But Alexander said yesterday that his department was investigating whether the people accused in the drug ring were receiving state assistance. He declined comment on the criminal investigation. The state verifies eligibility for welfare assistance by checking pay stubs and child-support records, payments from the Social Security Administration and records through the Internal Revenue Service, Alexander said. For general eligibility, the state checks an applicant’s identity, birth records, residence, citizenship and family relationships, he said. The department also has a specialized unit that investigates applications that look suspicious. Welfare recipients are allowed two vehicles per household — people need vehicles to find work, Alexander said. But a Porsche? That could be a red flag, he said. If it were noticed. There aren’t enough resources for home visits, he said, and no one’s watching outside the welfare office to see what people are driving. Alexander said he’s been considering other methods to verify background, including the DMV. There are 28,000 people on welfare cash assistance, 11,000 getting childcare assistance, 77,000 people on food stamps and 122,000 on RIte Care, he said. The caseworkers handling the welfare assistance have an average caseload of 200 to 250 cases, he said. The police say those welfare cases include Joanna “Rosa” Gonzalez, a 28-year-old pregnant mother of two, who is accused of running a crack-cocaine operation in the city’s north and west ends. The Providence police and DEA say that Gonzalez employed her sister and their boyfriends, her mother and her aunt, as well as dozens of others in the operation. McNulty said that Gonzalez’s 26-year-old sister Evelyn and their 40-year-old aunt Virgen M. Chadheen were getting welfare benefits, as were their boyfriends, Michael Taylor, 22, and Henry Grullon, 36, the sisters’ mother, Evelyn “Diamond” Caraballo, 46, the wife of the alleged drug supplier John Delarosa, 33, and alleged associate Tanya Rivera, 28. “It’s sickening to know these [people] are being subsidized by the state,” said Providence Lt. Thomas Verdi, head of the narcotics unit. The expensive vehicles seized in the drug investigation were registered to the suspects who are receiving welfare benefits, the police said. Evelyn Gonzalez owned the BMW and the Lincoln Navigator. Chadheen owned the Cadillac Escalade. Grullon owned a Suzuki motorcycle and Chrysler minivan. The most expensive vehicles belonged to Delarosa, a convicted felon who was the alleged drug supplier, the police said. Delarosa owned a house at 15 Newbury St. in Providence and a Honda motorcycle, Mazda minivan, and a Mercedes-Benz S550 — worth about $120,000 — registered in other people’s names, McNulty said. The drug operation ran like a business, with work schedules, lunch breaks and job descriptions that covered what needed to be done — bringing in the drug supply, cutting and cooking it in kitchens, then packaging and delivering the final product for sale, according to the Providence police and the DEA. The police say that the suspects were also using their children as lookouts and runners. It was a money-making business, the police say, judging by the $100,000 in drug sales that were logged during the 74 days that investigators ran wiretaps. Seventeen people were arrested last week and ordered held without bail, including Joanna Gonzalez, of 49 Anchor St. and 78 Clym St. in Wanskuck. There are warrants for 12 others: Estrellita Carabello, 35, of Central Falls, and Providence residents Edward Babbitt, 39, April Burns, 33, Stephanie Bassett, 24, Tanya Rivera, 28, Evelyn Gonzalez, 26, Tamara Chenard, 45, Dennis Delvecchio, 36, Louise Vigeant, 38, Robert Antonelli, 46, Christopher Riccio, 46, and Lisa Rotondo, 42. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 1:42am
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Before I respond to that article, I would like to ask what your intent was for posting that. I have one question for Razgriz, why are you racist? No I'm not joking around or making fun of him. I would just like to know why, in a thread not even concerning race, he chose to make it a racial issue. -------------
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 1:46am
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Solution = Kill Razgriz.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 2:14am
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Working at a hospital I meet a ton of people receiving state assistance every day, and I can tell you there are definately just as many, if not more, white people on welfare as there black people. I find that most people in general just aren't motivated to work their way above the welfare system. *edit* Most people around my area, I mean to say. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 7:21am
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Wow, did I just see that "white straight males have little representation?" That must be the most opposite thing I have ever heard....ever. Wait..nope...saying minorities make the worst music ever is the worst thing I've ever heard. What's next, saying that the slave songs that turned into blues and eventually every other type of music is really white people music because, come on, we made them slaves, so they owe us...right? |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 10:35am
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Wait a minute, do you people think I'm actually racist? I thought you were messing with me, but you honestly think I'm a racist? Wow I can't believe you actually think I judge an entire group of people on the music they created, who the hell is that gullable? I thought I couldn't take a sarcastic remark.
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Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 10:58am
Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear you were making a joke 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:06am
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I'm not calling you racist for the music joke, I'm calling you out on the fact this thread started without any mention of race. You were the first one to bring up race, why?
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:15am
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He wasn't technically the first one to bring up race... -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:26am
Then who was? -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:37am
Someone else brought up welfare. I'm not sure how welfare ties into gay marriage, but since it was brought up I posted the article. Welfare is a system that many abuse, and its probably worse then you think. Speaking in general, whenever a white person opposes anything to do with a minority, they are labeled racist. Now with that said I have no idea what ghost was thinking. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:47am
I posted something from the article that I found funny about hetero males getting screwed over, he jokingly said he agreed. Then it started the usual foot in mouth jokes... -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:48am
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You didn't say white hetero males, he did. He was the one to bring skin color into the thread.
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 11:50am
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Correct, yet oh so incorrect. Often, when a white person opposes anything to do with a minority IN PUBLIC, they may be labeled racist. It is clearly not PC for white people to complain about black people on welfare, for instance. But IN PUBLIC is the key. Just under the surface these complaints are commonplace. In family gatherings, in the workplace, on the internet, in opinion polls - any place where white people can gather knowing that they can speak freely, the anti-minority statements come out, in spades. And unlike the public sphere, it is generally most un-PC to start shouting "racist" during random conversations on the job or at dinner. Even the most blatantly racist commentary usually goes unchallenged in these exchanges. Un-PC opinions and statements are everywhere except in the public eye. And, frankly, so is racism, sexism, and homophobia. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 12:04pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 2:36pm
| I just find the comment about white hetero males not have representation to be hilarious. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 2:53pm
waay off topic but.. When I applied for a schlorship they asked me if I was a minority. There are funds like the united negro college fund etc. In fact my wife got a schlorship because she is about 1/8 spanish. but theres none based on just being white. When I applied for any state of federal job, they ask if your a minority...why? In fact one time I was told straight out that they(fed job) were give special treatment to minorities. They even have a quota for them. It seems to me that any of these should be based on effort, results, and qualifications...not on race. Now that I think about it imagine a TV station that just had white programing, no minorites. It would cause a firestorm, but we do have networks like BET. |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 3:03pm
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That is so old, CK... 1. Scholarships: There are plenty of scholarships specifically for folks of Italian descent, German descent, Norwegian descent, French descent, etc. I know - I used to manage one. It may not say "white" on the cover, but there are plenty of white-specific scholarships out there. 2. But yes, there are clearly more affirmative action programs, in education and hiring both, that favor ethnic minorities. No doubt. But that is just chickenpoop compared to the unregulated daily racism/sexism/orientationism that we face every day. For anybody to claim that the token crumbs of affirmative action somehow tip the overall scales in favor of minorities is ludicrous. 3. BET - first off, BET does feature white people, even though they do cater primarily to black folk. And there are dozens of channels that are overwhelmingly white. NBC, CBS, ABC, Spike TV, practically every movie to come out of Hollywood. Friends, Seinfeld, Frazier, or whatever sitcoms are on now - how many black people on those shows, combined? Even South Park only has one black kid. So, yes - if a channel came along that was called WET there would be outrage. PUBLIC outrage. In private, people would be cheering. And in reality, the programming would look just like the other networks. We continue to throw public tokens at minorities, but that is mostly what they are. Tokens. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 3:20pm
I know, and not to mention off topic, but i'm sure you will agree that any of these should not be based on race but on qualifications. If so why bother with the "tokens"? |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 3:34pm
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Tell me what's so racist about simply saying that we have little to no voice and I'll explain why I'm racist. I'm not racist, it's not like I said we're the minority and that's bad, I said we're the minority and that's how it is. It isn't about being equally represented in a power position, here are some examples of what exactly I am talking about. Enough people cried about how wrong it was to have to say under god, in public schools. The pledge of alligence, alligence to america, was removed from public schools, no more pleadge in the morning, partriotism is wrong I guess. Another example one that took place at U of M. Enough muslims, and please oh god don't put words in my mouth and say that I am racist against muslims, my former girlfriend was a muslim, my good buddy is a muslim, don't you dare say anything, but enough muslims complained about how there arn't any footbaths on campus, now they are considering making school funding pay to put in foot baths. Here's the deal however, I didn't say that this was a problem, I didn't say that I felt resentment toward anyone becuase they did complain and get their way, my issue lies with us if anyone. We're the problem to me, we don't do anything that would go against the norm, that would anger anyone, that would make people say "he's a racist" becuase we wouldn't want to be racists now would we? We roll over, we take it and then beg for more, and when it's given to us we say that's life and move on, and all I'm saying is that that is what makes us the minority, we don't do anything but move on, we don't take a stand anymore becuase that's not what strong men do. So if anything if friggen anything, I love the different races, becuase they have the tenacity and the voice to change whatever they want to change. Don't put words in my mouth anymore, nothing angers me more then to be called stupid becuase someone twists what I say. I never once said anything negative towards anyone and I become a racist becuase I say we're the minority? How the hell does that work? |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 3:38pm
It's not racist. It is just extraordinarily silly. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 3:41pm
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Well that's all I said, silly as it may be, and yet people attacked me and labeled me a racist for it. And as for being closed minded no one is being more open minded than me right now. Everyone is too busy toting the fact that more white straight males have been in key power than anyone else to even see what I am saying. |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 3:44pm
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Not a yes or no question. Affirmative action is intensely complicated, in its application, its purpose, its results. As to the tokens - also very complex, but there are some simple reasons for them. It is difficult to legislate "thou shalt not be racist in thine mind", and improper as well. But when society has decided that we would rather not be racist, then the next best thing we can do is to prohibit some forms of overt racism, and institute some overt policies that attempt to counteract some of the subtle racism. Yes, in a perfect world most employment decisions would be made without care for color. However, we do not live in a perfect world, and affirmative action policies can be a good faith effort to combat underlying tendencies. Affirmative action is, at best, a very blunt instrument. This does not automatically mean that it is a bad thing. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:09pm
Wow, so if you're a hetero white male, then you are having your rights repressed because you can't say "under God." The pledge has not been removed from public schools, it is just not necessary for everyone to say, which is a good thing. I do not want to say "under God" and I shouldn't have to. In my mind, not enough people have cried enough to fully take "under God" out of the pledge. If they can't do that, then they should atleast take "In God we trust" off my money, I have to spend it too, there is no option there. |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:14pm
I buy everything with crack rock. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:16pm
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I think it is humorous just how much Ghost is digging a hole for himself.... Then realism kicks in and I realize that the things he is saying, the attitude in which it is presented, is that which you typically see in someone with a lot of racially motivated anger. It is the internal breeding ground of a racist. -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:17pm
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An example Dune it was merely an example of how powerful someones voice can be, and how little we use ours.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:19pm
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I never twisted a single word you said. It is up to you to give me things to highlight in your posts, like how you jumped into a gay marriage thread by singling out white heterosexual males right off the bat. That's why you are racist. More supremacist actually. You didn't say anything negative towards the other groups but you implied it. Rather, it was easily inferred by reading your posts. Here's a reason why I don't cry loudly.. I don't care. You want to know why we don't have special things added like you mentioned with the footbaths? It is because we don't need anything extra like that. It is already there. Everything in this country had catered to the majority, white heterosexual males, for long enough before now, and it continues to cater to us. It is also, now, providing amenities to those culture groups who lacked representation previously, the REAL minorities. I went ahead and did a little research as to how much of a minority we really are.. The Census does not ask for sexual orientation, or at least they do not post that data, it could be in some dirty old man's file cabinet which he opens periodically when he's feeling a bit.. ahem, getting off topic.  Anywho, assuming Susan's numbers for percentage of the population which is gay (someone mind researching that to find the ratio of gay men to lesbians?) I can safely state we are the largest minority. Only by a couple million people we come in second to, you guessed it, white females! Granted this is in our country alone but since you only gave examples within our country, fair game on my part. It has been sorted for your convenience. No I have not altered numbers, you can recreate the same table layout on their website using this http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&-CONTEXT=dt&-mt_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_P012A&-mt_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_P007&-redoLog=false&-currentselections=DEC_2000_SF1_U_P001&-geo_id=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en - link . Picture was easier to link here but whatever. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:19pm
I never considered that. Actually, I don't look at my money when I spend it; I find the velocity at which it departs my pockets to be depressing. I will save you from dealing with that nasty saying on your money. Just box it all up and send it to me. Repeat every month. ------------- 
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:21pm
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Are you even reading what I am writing?
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:21pm
Unfortunately I am. -------------
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:24pm
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:25pm
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IP ban my racist ass for all I give a **edited** |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:31pm
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You have anger issues.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:31pm
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I don't have enough money to send to you every month, and yes...it does leave my pocket quickly too. However, it's still ridiculous that that saying has to be on there. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:33pm
Try plastic. I know my debit card and credit card both lack the word god or the name of any other diety for that matter.  -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:34pm
Good point, but as legal tender, necessary for all to have, it's a bit unconstitutional. |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:36pm
| Anger issues? No I have life issues man. And I'm slowly realizing that this place is a big waste of time. None of you care, you're all way to set in your ways, I can't get a word in edge wise, and all at the same time one thing keeps running through my head, why oh why do I keep coming back. It's really like I enjoy being beat to shreads, kicked in the nuts over and over as alchohal is poured on open wounds. As if I didn't have enough real problems I go ahead and continually post on a forum were people don't care about anyone but their little clicks, that I could never get myself into. Basically if you could please ip ban me so that I don't make the mistake of walking in here on a day were I'd like to laugh a little and try and say something on my mind and get ripped to shreds. Life issues aside I'm so over this it isn't even funny, I know I'm not a racist and those that matter know I'm nothing of the sort so there you all win once further and take your cake and eat it too. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:36pm
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They really aren't forcing you to believe in it, just an old ass ideal the founding fathers held dear. I think of it more as presevation of history than suggestion of religion. To each his own. As a sidenote, Mmmmmmmmmm cake.  -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:49pm
| It wasn't really something all the founding fathers believed in, especially Jefferson. It wasn't put onto currency until the Civil War, and is creeping in for state motto's as well. It's time to just stick with E. Pluribus Unum. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:55pm
Someone else brought up welfare. I'm not sure how welfare ties into gay marriage, but since it was brought up I posted the article. Welfare is a system that many abuse, and its probably worse then you think. QUOTE] Welfare was brought up as a counter to Razgriz Ghost Remarks that "Moniroties" get everything bevause they wine the loudest and that hetereosexual white males are not represented at all and that they have become a minoroty to say. Since he claimed to be a "Sociologist" -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:56pm
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It's over dude, you're too busy talking to eat your cake. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:56pm
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Was it in the original poem Francis Scott Key wrote? Also, my bad. /me hits Wiki -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:57pm
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure this thread is over. Either we move on to a different topic, or this just keeps getting ridiculous enough to where you just erase your posts and put the letter "d". |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:58pm
| I let it die a little bit ago |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:58pm
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Key is credited quite a bit, but it doesn't mean it should be the motto. It's too controversial with too many meanings to have on the currency. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 5:00pm
Actually, EE, I think socialogist might be different from sociologist. That would at least make up for his distance from reality. Dune, I agree it is controversial. I asked about Key because it was news to me to discover when it was put on coin. I was wondering if he actually wrote it or we kinda stuck it in there too. -------------
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 5:01pm
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oh oh oh oh we got ourselves a funny guy on our hands huck huck huck. Also I'm not distanced from reality I'm a perfectly normal racist get it right |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 5:04pm
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Hey, as long as you've come to terms with your problem.. now we can begin the healing process. AKA let it go, man.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 5:04pm
Yeah, it was put on currency during the Civil War due to the belief that Christianity was truly dominant, which of course it was. However, in this day, I believe change is needed. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 24 July 2007 at 5:06pm
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