Need someone who knows about turbos...
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Topic: Need someone who knows about turbos...
Posted By: DeTrevni
Subject: Need someone who knows about turbos...
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:10pm
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So. I'm getting a new whip. Er, new to me. It's a 1992 Dodge Caravan SE AWD. Its got 108k miles on it, which is pretty good considering the age. Sure enough, I can't get a van and leave it stock, so I'm gonna make a racer out of it. Why? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLIlqY6SwxA - This is why That's a similar van as to what I'm getting, except mine will be red and black 2-tone. Sorry, no pics yet. I'd like to turbo the sucker. The van in the vid was a modded 2.? liter turbo 4-cyl. The one I'm getting is a 3.3 liter 6-cyl., and I'm not to knowledgable on turbos. If anyone can give me a list of what would be needed to do this, or some friendly advice, please help me out! Now to address the major question: Why am I gonna be driving a '92 Caravan over a 1965 Buick Skylark? Well, for one thing, I'm really hesitant to drive the Buick up in the country. If a rock finds the windshield, I'm effed. Also, maintainence will be exceptionally high, there's no good place to park it at my grandma's, rats up there love wiring, and the gas up there is friggen expensive. Also, I'm getting the van for free! My friend, who craps money, has too many vehicles, so they are giving us the van, under the condition we pay for repairs. Just a steering thing. Shouldn't be too bad. I'd feel alot better driving a AWD van in the country over my Skylark. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:11pm
| lol @ van |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:12pm
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I was going to sleeper my stock turboed V6 Plymouth Voyager until I reared ended it into the back of a Civic Hatchback.
Both were and would have been amusing outcomes. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:13pm
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Yeah, I figure if a turbo 4 can do that, I could squeeze some serious power out of an AWD turbo 6. That would hop the line FAST... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:14pm
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It's not worth the money dude.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:19pm
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Dude. Free van yo. I have no problem spending the ~$3-4k it's gonna cost to turbo this thing. To me, it's worth it. Just think of the looks on peoples' faces when a van smokes musclecars at the 1/4 mi. So without judging the sense of my expenditures, what would it take to turbo this thing? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:23pm
| Not sure on cost, try junk yards. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:23pm
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Why not sell said van and put that 3-4K previously mentioned into your Buick? Edit: Nevermind. Couldnt you sell said van and get a older Tacoma 4x4? Those are tanks. ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:24pm
winrar |
Da Hui wrote:Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:25pm
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It sounds cool. One thing you should consider. To get the power you want out of that old engine, your going to have to almost completly rebuild the engine. Or get a new one. If youve got the money to waste on this, drop 5k and get something like a 360 magnum crate engine. Then turbo it. Either way, if you stick with that engine, be prepared to throw more than a turbo at it. I used to have one of those vans. On average the engines dont make it to 200k. It sounds cool, just be prepared to put a lot of work and money into it to be able to smoke any kind of muscle car. Because just a turbo wont make it do that. |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:25pm
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It will not smoke every muscle car, something with a built big block would probably rape it and leave it to cry.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:26pm
| OMG!!! Rape is not phunny!!! |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:28pm
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I wasn't talking about a person getting raped, and i wasn't making a joke.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:30pm
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I did not say every muscle car. Despite my more or less ignorant sounding posts in this thread, I do know a thing or two about cars. I wouldn't even come close to wanting to compete with a built 454 big-block, or even a blown 350, each pulling low 11s and high 10s. I just want shock value. I have a basic understanding of what would need to be done to the motor. Most of the gear I would need is available at Summit Racing, from pistons, to manifolds, to turbines. I could hit up a junkyard and find a 318 Mopar V8 to mod into the van, but that might wind up being more expensive to rebuild and turbo than the current 3.3L 6. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:32pm
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If you can dumb 5k into it, get a crate engine, don't know how that trans would like a V8 though. Also, turbos don't put out AMAZING power, not to mention turbo lag is annoying. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:32pm
| When it is complete and you race it, dont forget to hang a baby on board window sticker on the back window. |
Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:33pm
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I am pretty sure detrevni knows this but it is his van and his decision on
what he wants to do with it. But I do suggest you paint shaggin wagon on the side of it. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:35pm
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Wasn't "Shaggin' Wagon" my idea with the VW camper van when I was in that phase? Okay, in lieu of a turbo, what about a centrifigul supercharger? Wouldn't that require a similar setup? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:35pm
Thats the dumbest thing ever... -------------
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:37pm
Now a supercharged mini-van would be bad ass. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:42pm
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Okay, now we some enthusiasm. Let me know if I'm on the right track for this. Basic supecherger assembly, bracket, manifold, exhaust, pistons, cams, chip for EFI. Probably some transmission work as well. Maybe replacing it all together, or strengthening the stock one. Anything I'm missing? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:44pm
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Well, you looking at new superchargers? they cost some $$$ i would maybe look into a race company that may sell built engines with a supercharger on them for 4-5k
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:46pm
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I might. Could root around through a junkyard first. Also, I forgot about cooling. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:47pm
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Can I have the Skylark? ------------- 
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:48pm
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I would check a junk yard for sure.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:49pm
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SSOK: Can I have your soul + firstborn son?
PS: Vortec V1 supercharger head unit for $1.9k. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:51pm
1.9k sounds decent, superchargers i looked at for my truck cost 5k +  Just curious what year is your Buick ? -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:56pm
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1965. It's $1.9k for the head unit alone. I'm still gonna need air delivery and engine upgrades. I figure the V-1 series, Vortec's low-end series, I guess, should be all I'm gonna need. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 2:56pm
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Yea, you should be able to keep it under 6k if you get the basic stuff.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:01pm
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Basic = good. I'd still like it to be a 6-cyl. so it doesn't give itself away. Remember, this is a sleeper. I figure I'm going to get one part at a time, starting with the basics for the engine, and when it's ready, I'll drop in the supercharger. I don't know how much it will cost to have a bracket made, though... I wonder if you can get a roots style supercharger for a 6-cyl. The aspect of a blower sticking out of the hood of a minivan amuses me!
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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:05pm
New intake manifold. Headers and dual exhaust is a must. Depending on condition, I may recommend new heads completly. But getting them rebuilt may do the job, and would definatly be cheaper. Donno how necessary pistons would be, would have to see it to know. Definatly new cam, and a chip. Rebuilding the tranny would definatly be recommended. I new a cab driver who had a 92 astro van, AWD, with a LS7 corvette engine in it. It hauled complete ass. |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:08pm
So much for the sleeper. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:09pm
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Yeah, I've heard of Dodge's big van (I forget the model name) that had a modded 318 V8. But these are larger vans. There are two reasons I'm hesitant to drop a V-8 motor in. One, there's not a lot of room to work with. This is still going to be a functional van, so I can't put the motor in the back. Also, I'd rather it didn't have the V8 "rumble." I want this to seem as ordinary as I can. Turbo/supercharger whine may be revealing though... Ghost: Heh. Just a thought. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:20pm
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Well, if you want it to appear stock with a V8 you could put a cutout in the exhaust but thats just a thought lol.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:25pm
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Wait, wouldn't cutouts make it louder? I didn't want it to sound like it had a V8. Sleepers yo. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:26pm
No, a cutout you can control, open it and it will roar and close it and it would purr. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:30pm
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Oh. Cool. Never considered that. Don't think the emissions guys at inspection would be too impressed with that, though... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:33pm
Forgot about that  .Here in Michigan we don't have emission requirements  ....well, we don't get tested. EDIT : heres my truck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBeGFjadpdc - Link. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:37pm
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Is that right? I never figured Michigan would be so leniant with their car laws. In Texas, you have to have a periodically renewed inspection sticker, or you get a ticket. So, it has to remain street legal, as inspections are mandatory. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:38pm
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In highschool I my friend Todd had a 1995 (I *think*) Ford Astro van. He completely stripped the interior except for the two front seats. He dropped a 350 crate engine that was supercharged, and to finish it off had a dry shot of NOS to go with it. He had a "Kids First" license plate, with kids stickers in the rear window, and some other crap to make it look like a family vehicle. That thing was VICIOUS! I don't even know what it ran on the track, but there wasn't a whole lot in town that could touch it. ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:40pm
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Well, I'd love to do all that, but this thing still has to be functional as a van, unfortunately... Hm. Good idea with the nitrous though... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:41pm
Yea, they tried smogbusters for like a year or so i think then did away with it, we have so many old cars and semis and stuff it was just a hassle. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:51pm
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Hm. Supercharger + nitrous = blown up engine. May have to hold out on that, or keep it naturally aspirated... Actually, nitrous may be a good solution. Good everyday performance, and a quick boost of horsepower on the strip. TIME TO BE DOING OF THE RETHINKING! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 3:56pm
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Nitro would be cheap.
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:01pm
| a friend of mine in high school turbo'd his dodge minivan. he melted the pistons and blew the gaskets in like 2 months. be careful. but it would roast tires all day long tho |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:02pm
I wonder why. -------------
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:06pm
| no2 wouldnt be much cheaper in the long run either, can potentially damage your engine if its not setup correctly, and filling up the bottle is expensive, seeing how it only lasts such a short amount of time. |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:08pm
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Only downside would be refill cost.
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:09pm
| i just said that? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:12pm
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Hm. How much power could I squeeze out of a naturally aspirated motor? The stock 3.3L puts out 150 horses, and if I can get a good exhaust system and a massive air-dam under the bumper that feeds directly to the engine, I can push it past 200, maybe. With the money saved from supercharging it, I can install direct-port nitrous and strengthen the motor and transmission. Overall, it would still be about as costly, but probably a better choice. I would only use the nitrous at the track, which should get me some good times. With DP nitrous, I may be able to push it past 300! Woo! Not to mention, AWD would get it off the line faster. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:14pm
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Sounds good.
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:17pm
| lol @ this van if any of this is actually done |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:19pm
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So... This may be the way to go? Heck. I'd be happy if I can get it under 14 sec. while naturally aspirated. It's gonna do the raping when nitrous gets installed. So tell me. Am I an idiot? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:20pm
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Yup. ------------- 
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:22pm
| take out the back bench seat and fit as many bottles as you can. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:26pm
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"Why are there 14 bottles of nitrous where the seats used to be?" Now I'm all excited! Woo! Should be getting the van in a week. I'll post some pics. Maybe some design drawings. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:27pm
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You have got to be kidding me ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:36pm
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^^^ Now see? That's the reaction I'm looking for! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:38pm
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Hey man, its ballsy... got nothin bad to say about it, best of luck. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:40pm
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Well, I hope it works out. I'll have a place to stay for free during college, so I can think of nothing else to waste my money on. It works out both ways, for as long as Dad has and drives the Buick, all little annoyances with it will come out of his pocket. I think this may work! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:42pm
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How long do you expect for this to take?
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:47pm
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Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:56pm
Well now that Detrevini has is Caravan issue all worked out , lets get started on my 2002 Toyota Camry SE V6....  ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 5:00pm
| It's been done plenty of times, people will expect it to be fast if u show up with it at the track. On the streets different story, but an illegal one aswell. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 5:06pm
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Good job reading... As for how long, it definately won't be overnight. I can't possibly say. It'll be a gradual process. Little Devil: Well, I'm hoping to get the jump on the ricer fanatics that slap fartcan exhaust on a Civic and expect to pwn. Experienced dragsters will probably know what's up. Another bonus to natural aspiration: no givaways. No turbowhine, no spools to whirr, no blow-off hiss. The only thing that would give it away on the line is purging the nitrous. I'll probably have hidden vents for that under the vehicle or out of the wheel wells. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 6:34pm
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one warning
at the end of the day you'll still be driving a dodge caravan lol -------------
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 6:38pm
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 6:50pm
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Didn't feel like reading through the whole thead, but...adding an S/C or turbos requires alot of engine modding and $$$. Me personally, I'd just add a chip, drop in some beefier cams, and just work with the naturally aspirated engine. Nitrous is the same issue, you gotta make sure your engine is built to stand the pressure of the boost. Not to mention every time you hit the nitrous shot you take away from your engine's life expectancy. Of course you could just drive it... ------------- 
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 6:55pm
OMG ITS NITRO YOU NOOB!!!! ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 6:59pm
LIEK NOS FTW -------------
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 7:03pm
Fixed. But, nitrous may not be as smart as a small supercharger. Nitrous in anything over about 50 horses is going to do some nasty damage to your engine, if its fairly stock. A small supercharger will have the same issue, but you should get longer use out of it, not have to worry about refills, and isn't as reaviling(sp.) as a turbo. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 7:15pm
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Unfortunately any way he goes he's still putting tons of pressure on a 100K+ engine, which can only mean bad things in the long run, other than just leaving it naturally aspirated (including adding nitrous). Anyway, free van, so whateverz. Just keep in mind that the pressure you're adding is going to affect the whole power train, so you're open to all sorts of nice little repairs. -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 10:35pm
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It won't be easy to do but if you get this thing to haul and still keep that family car appearance I will bear your children, DeTrevni. I've had countless conversations with my friends about finding some ordinary looking car and making it move like a dragster. My favorite is the ice cream truck sleeper though. Handing out ice cream by day, taking your dignity by night.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 10:46pm
I remember a few years ago there was a Turbo Charged Dodge Caravan doing the Quarter Miles. Since they came factory with Mitsubishi Turbo Charged Engines from Factory.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 11:28pm
Hmmm.... How about a Moped and Schwinn Stingray? NO SELLING ON THE FORUM! :P Im just glad to hear you're not getting rid of it. -------------
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 11:34pm
| http://youtube.com/watch?v=S_eJlPd59x0 - here's your goal. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 11:50pm
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Yeah, I saw that. I figure if I can get 13's, then I'll have one of the quickest cars on the road. Needless to say, I can't just drag some guy's Viper, or Corvette, or Porsche (well, that depends), but I'd be able to take on most "ricers," Mustangs and even older Vettes. Not really talking street racing, just comparing. I'll squeeze as much power out of it as I can, and if I can get it to 12's (yeah, right...) I can go after the big boys! I still think naturally-aspirated + massive front bumper air dam directly feeding the motor + engine and transmission mods + occasional shot of nitrous = ub3r. Probably better for the engine as well, as I don't intend on running the nitrous on the street. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 06 August 2007 at 11:58pm
| Run it on some 110 octane racing fuel too. |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 12:44am
Running race fuel when you don't need it will give you engine knock, if he goes the high compression route he would need it. -------------
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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 1:00am
My best friend runs 110 in a stock 93 passat engine. It sounds fine. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 1:14am
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As I understand it, if I use high octane fuels, the valves develop kind of a dependency for it. I'm not sure if this is true though. I'd like to keep it on pump fuel. Maybe unleaded. I guess it wouldn't hurt to run 110 in it at the track every so often... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 2:29am
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You can run them both. Never heard of a dependancy for a certain type of fuel. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 2:37am
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Just something my dad told me. I never bothered to look into it. I'll probably ask him tomarrow. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 10:10am
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Typically if you run high octane in excess of 100 or so and you don't need it you usually would get early ignition causing engine knock.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 10:23am
| You could put 5lb co2 tanks in the trunk and have them fed to in front of the radiator. It can give the engine 25-70 extra horse power. |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 10:33am
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Yeah. Those Kyro2 (get it? Like Co2, only Kyro2?????!!!!11one1eleven) kits or whatever the hell they're called will definitly help - its exactly what robocop said. -------------
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 11:41am
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I doubt that the stock engine can handle more than 3 or 4 PSI of boost, you'll probabaly need to get forged connecting rods/pistons |
Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 12:25pm
Like I said before. Ive seen it done several times. No problems. Your comment is void. |
Posted By: Ghost-Rider
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 12:34pm
Your stupid, you don't run race fuel when you don't need it, he's probably running 93 high octane. -------------
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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 12:36pm
No. Your stupid. He runs racing fuel because he races his car. So he does need it. And its 110. Ive watched him put it into his 93 passat. My other friend runs it in his 05 mustang. No problems in either vehicle. |