When walking down the street....
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Topic: When walking down the street....
Posted By: FROG MAN
Subject: When walking down the street....
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:33pm
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and a you man in a military uniform walks by you, what do you think? do you have respect? disgust? honor? disrespect? feel sorry? look up to? look down to? without getting to much into your opinions on war and goverment and all that, and wether your part of the military or not, what do think? I ask this for 2 reasons, 1. I find that when I see a young man dressed in military clothes or military uniform, I feel sad for them... which is wierd, because I really do respect what the induvidual does, but I just cant shake the feeling like they have all these hopes of becoming some "elite" military force, but infact there chances are they wont and are just going to being used. 2. im bored at work ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:34pm
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I just keep on walking, i don't look down on them, but i certainly don't feel their any better than me.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:36pm
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maybe its just more common from where you are from, I just dont see much military presense in my little canadian town. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Nuclear wrote:Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:37pm
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I don't see much of it, but i come from a family that just about everyone has been in the Military, it seems normal to me, nothing special.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:39pm
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come on, someone post some horrible flame to get an arugment going, I need to pass the time. lol ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:41pm
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ZOMG I WILL USE A LOWER CASE M ON MARINES That should start something. -------------
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Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:43pm
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When I see someone walking by in their uniform, I feel sorry for them as you do, Frog Man.
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:46pm
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I don't see why you would feel sorry, they signed up for it, so they had to want it.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:49pm
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As a Marine, I think it is retarded to wear your uniform out in town, or wear moto t-shirts. It is basically making your self a target. Thats the way I see it. Its nothing that need be broadcasted openly. The way I see it, a job is a job. The military is just a higher risk job than most.
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:51pm
True, i really hate the guys who sign up then walk around thinking their some kind of bad ass cause their in the Military. -------------
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Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:52pm
A lot of the people who enlist are those who can't afford to go to college. I know that they signed up out of their own free will but from my point of view they aren't fighting a worthy cause. I feel sorry that they are risking their lives for the money and patrolling around Iraq waiting for some guy to shoot an RPG at them. -------------
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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:53pm
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i dont support the war
i dont support bush but god damn, those soldiers give their lives so that i CAN walk down that street and for that i respect and admire them ------------- 
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:53pm
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I respect them for what they do for our country, but I almost feel sorry for them because I don't think they're really headed anywhere in life.
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:53pm
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Theres safer branches than the Army and Marines, such as the Navy.
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Posted By: bjelder33
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:57pm
And who are you to judge them? People working a 9-5 office job aren't going anywhere in life, but they're also not ready to give their life for you. this is coming from the least republican person imaginable, so don't take this is as "YEA KILL THEM IRAQIS WOO WOO WAVE THAT CONFEDERATE FLAG" -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 2:58pm
| I think "What should I eat for lunch?" and keep walking. |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:01pm
Rapid, most my family has been in the Military and all live successful life's.I don't know who the hell you are to decide they aren't going anywhere in life. -------------
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:04pm
| I respect them and at the beginning of the war on terror, when my brother had joined, a lot of people would either drive next to us and say thank you for your sons service (sticker saying "my son is in the army"). Sometimes people just walking by at the store when my brother is wearing his class A's, would say thank you for your service. We used to get half off to free entres at restaurants. America has changed since then. Basically a lot of people have changed their minds. Almost worse than how much John Kerry flip-flopped. |
Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:07pm
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i respect them, i look up to them, in all honesty, their my heros.
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:20pm
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I feel a little dead inside when I see that. I think about how they could be using their lives and how horrible wars are.
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:42pm
I am no one, but I have my own opinions. Hence, the reason why I was careful in my word choice and I said "I think..." instead of "I know..." And you are right, those office people probably wouldn't give up their lives for me. Hence the reason why I said "I respect them for what they do for our country..."
Congrats to your family then for becoming successful. Just as I said above, I am myself, and I have my own opinion along with my own definition of success. *EDIT*
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:46pm
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i treat them just like anyone else.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:47pm
| I see them as just someone else with a different job. I don't know them so I don't know why they are in the military, but I certainly don't immediately grant them a higher level of repsect. They are just another average person to me. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 3:48pm
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To those that feel sorry, you are making pretty broad assumptions that they are slackers, who couldn't otherwise afford schooling, or that they were hoping for some elite force that they will never qualify for.
Some people just have the mentality that makes them well suited for a job or career in the military. There are tons of reason why people serve in the Armed Forces, and doing so doesn't mean they are flushing their lives away. |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 6:38pm
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I'm usually ultra aroused and cant help but hitting on them.
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Posted By: DevilHunter
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 6:44pm
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well said. honestly, the people working for the military are the only part of our government (or ANY government for that matter) i actually respect as of now. 99% of the rest of them dont care about anything else but themselves and thier money. ------------- Once you hear the shot, it's already too late... A5 Sniper |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 6:56pm
Consider how many people have the military pay for their medical school. I'm sure after they graduate med school and get out of the military, they're just going to drink malt liquor on their mother's couch while watching Cops and Jerry Springer all day. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 7:25pm
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Respect and Honor. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 7:35pm
| I guess I've never felt that someone automatically deserves praise and respect. There are plenty of job fields where lives of people are directly in your hands and yet they seem to get the negative portion of judging a book by it's cover. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 7:46pm
| I wink and whistle at them, does that count? |
Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 7:53pm
I used to work at a Gas Station and I would always give them free coffee. I respect them ------------- [IMG]http://i14.tinypic.com/73e0l8j.jpg"> Represent! |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 7:54pm
| I definitely respect them for their decision to serve. And it makes me jealous of all their cool military hardware. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 8:31pm
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 8:35pm
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It's funny for me, I really wanted to join the Marines, but got denied for asthma, so everytime I see someone in uniform I feel a small amount of inferiority for not being able to serve. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:21pm
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My vote doesn't count, but back home, in North and South Carolina, I get approached at least five times a day with people thanking me for my service, which is really flattering. It's nice to feel like the sacrifices you make are appreciated (and I realize other jobs force you to make sacrifices as well). But here in Hawaii I don't even wear my ACU's off base even If I just got off work. The military isn't really liked by most locals here... Regardless, I'm proud of what I do. The military is just like school, you have people from everywhere. You have your acheivers, slackers, partiers, and so on. It's impossible to stereotype the entire population of the army accurately... The food thing is correct though, me and my girlfriend had our meals paid for, and drinks offered too us numerous times (I just turned 19) while I was home on leave. ------------- |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:23pm
I had no idea you were from around here. What part? Bragg, I assume. Unless Hawaii is your first posting. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:31pm
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Heres To You, That is one of the things I cannot stand about the Army. Ya'll wear your cammies out on the town while on liberty like its cool. Also walking and smoking, and walking and talking on the cell phone while in uniform. There are orders against this type of behavior, but they are disregarded Army wide. I would have alot more respect for the Army if they would actually care about the uniform they wear. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:32pm
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How do you like the guys at the bars drinking and getting plastered with their dog tags hanging out in the open trying to attract attention? |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:36pm
I love them, they're easier to bring home ;) |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:46pm
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its not just the army snake....there was a guy from my neighborhood who joined the marines, he paraded around down in his dress blues all the time |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 9:50pm
That pisses me off also. MCO specifically states that dog tags will be tucked in. I don't even wear dog tags when not in uniform, I just have a tag in each boot. Here's To You: Marine Dress Blue Deltas, Charlies and Bravos are authorized Liberty uniforms by MCO. Marine Cammies, or Army ACU's however are not. But these rules are just ignored by the Army, consistently. That was my point. Also something that disgusted me the other day, I saw a Soldier in AIT at the bowling alley, while on pass. This Soldier was wearing your Short Sleeve Service Uniform (Charlies?) He was sagging his trousers, had the front of his shirt tucked in, with the back of his shirt untucked. At least 3 Drill Sergeants walked within 15 feet of him and said nothing to him. These are thing I am seeing on a day to day basis here. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:04pm
| snake, unfortunately it is what it is...like said before by someone, theres alll different kinds of people in the military, im sure its not just the army that breaks these rules. theres types like that in all branches im sure. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:18pm
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I have never seen this type of behavior in the Marine Corps. I'm Not
saying that it hasn't happened, but if that type of behavior is
exhibited, a NCO or SCNO will lock you on so fast it will make your
head spin. I see stuff like this exhibited on a day to day basis with
the Army on this post, and no one says anything to the soldiers. It is
pathetic that the Army has broken down to the point where Soldiers will
not police their own for the betterment of the whole.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:22pm
| I wear whatever the hell I want to work? |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:35pm
I'd walk around in a branch of the military known for it's slovenliness if it meant I didn't have to walk around saluting inanimate objects or play freezetag with my cellphone.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:37pm
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but if your on post what does it matter? off post i can understand, but if your on post arent you authorized to wear your uniform? |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:41pm
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You are authorized to wear your uniform on post, my point was that if you are going to wear your uniform you should wear it properly no matter where you are. The bowling alley I was refering to was on post, however does that give the soldier in question the right to not wear the uniform properly? -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:44pm
| ah, i missed that. you are right though, he shouldnt be wearing it improperly |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:49pm
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That was my point. I see this type of thing all the time here, and it has vastly degraded my opinion of the Army.
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:51pm
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Why don't you confront them ?
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:54pm
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well, i have to agree with you, even though i am going army. i can understand your reasoning, but one thing that still gets me is how the marines in general claim the army is a lesser class of warrior....we're all doing the same thing over there, ya know? |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:55pm
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I am not allowed to. As a Marine on an Army post, I have no authority over Army Soldiers. If I do say anything, they will complain to their Drill Sergeants about it.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:57pm
| snake, if you dont mind me asking, what rank are you? and what could a DI do to you for repremanding something thats out of line if your a higher rank than said out of line soldier? |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:58pm
So basically they act up, and yet you can't confront them in fear of them whining like girls to their drill sergeant....whats the world come to... -------------
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Posted By: heliumman77
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:04pm
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I do support troops as they put themselves in harms way for a "cause" (sometimes no cause). But wearing what they want to wear off duty is their choice unless their is a rule about it and if is so said rule it's kinda of stupid. I mean obviously they don't take it seriously so? I can't take any military seriously it's like a bunch of little kids resorting to violence. IMO war is overrated and taken to lightly If you really have that much hate in you to kill another human being you need help. But just my opinion sry if I offended anyone in anyway.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:07pm
I am a Lance Corporal(E-3). In the Marine Corps you will obey any orders given to you by a higher rank, or in the case of Marine Recruits anyone who is a Marine. However in the Army, a PVT in the first week of boot camp can tell anyone thats not a Drill Sergeant to screw off and not get in any trouble for it. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:21pm
| well i have to say that is pretty sad that they wouldnt listen to a superior, and honestly i can only hope that youve seen it on rare ocassions, otherwise im really not sure what im getting myself into |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:25pm
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I think if your of higher rank, no matter what branch you should be able to say something to someone of lower rank.Seniority rules as i see it. -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:31pm
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I see these types of things here at Ft. Lost in the Woods all the time. Constantly Army Recruits will walk up to me and ask for cigarette, when I tell them no they will call me a [exploitive deleted]. It might be different at the other boot camps, since this base is the "easy" boot camp.. I think it is ridiculous thatdiffernt Army boot camps have different rules on how they treeat their recruits, but w/e... -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:36pm
| well, i agree with you snake. i dont really know what im getting into anymore, i guess ill find out sooner or later. im doing rotc though so its gonna be different in the sense that im not gonna be dealing with DI's |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:44pm
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I...Lower my head and shake it in shame
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 12:21am
You understanding of what I said is about as broad as your understanding of Army procedures... I realize your in the Marines and you feel your in a superior branch, buy that's no reason passing off information you may have heard from a friend as fact. In my basic, if there was a group, and no NCO around, the highest ranking was in charge and was given respect. If he was disrespected (not to say he couldn't be conflicted with, but disrespected) all he had to do was let and NCO know and the situation would have been handled, but I assume you took no further seeking to find the real information before you passed off your opinions as fact. Secondly, I don't get up and put on my uniform on a Saturday. I was on leave doing hometown recruting (because if you take HTRAP, it doesn't count off your leave because your still doing working with military) and they required I be in ACU's, naturally because it's much easier to recruit people if they see you in uniform. Sometimes my girlfriend would see me for lunch, or I would get off of work and go to dinner and not change, but I see no point in changing if you've already been to work that day. I don't know what policies you've been told the Army goes by, but were not authorized to wear our dogtags out in civilian wear either, and every base I've been on has enforced it. As a matter of fact, were limited to what we can civilian wise as well such as no backwards caps or earrings. Once again, you can't stereotype the whole Army for a couple of guys you've seen. That would be like saying the Marines are nothing but a bunch of over-cocky morons who think there better than everyone and discredit other branches in order to fuel their already overbounding ego's..... But we all know that's completely absurd... And for whoever ask, no, I'm not from the Fort Bragg area. I'm from the southwest North Carolina, in a small town called Polk County, which is a few hours from Fort Bragg. I put in a request for Fort Bragg because I wanted to go airborne and was denied and given Hawaii. Not a bad way to go down if you ask me :) ------------- |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 1:39am
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for all those that "feel bad", or "look down", or "feel disgust" when they see a soldier in uniform, next time try confronting the person and tell them exactly how you feel
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:27am
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I typically shake their hand, and have a deep sense of respect for what they do. Reason being, I don't have a sett as big as them to do what they do. I don't respect the war, the cause, the ideal, just the man. ------------- |
Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:46am
I never said they were slackers...? Some people just need funds is all... -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 5:07am
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Here's To You, I am a Marine Stationed on an Army Base (Ft. Leonard Wood) as I have said multiple times. I deal with Army Recruits, AIT Soldiers, and Drill Sergeants on a day to day basis as part of my job. Everything I have said here is from personal experience. Everything mentioned in this thread, I have witnessed first hand on multiple occasions. I am confronted at least every other day by Army PVT's asking me for cigarettes while I am at the hospital, and when I tell them "No" they call one disrespectful name or another or tell me to "go screw myself". If a Marine Recruit would even ask someone for a cigarette, let alone tell them to go [expletive deleted] siad recruit would have the swift hand of death come down on him. But I don't blame the soldiers themselves as much as I blame the system, and mothers of america for turning army boot camp into the joke it is today. I see these actions everyday, so it is not something "I heard from a friend". -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 5:16am
And you think there aren't some marine recruit's that don't do the same thing? The only thing holding them back is the island. Marines, Army, Navy, whatever, your going to have a few that show themselves. I would think you would realize not to judge a whole branch by a few. How much have you gone out of your way to find the good soldiers? ------------- |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 7:44am
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There are a few Marine Recruits that did stupid things when I was in boot camp, the difference is that there is never a time when there is not a drill instructor within 100 feet of a group of recruits. Therefore if a recruit was to do something stupid, they would locked on quick, fast and in a hurry. This is not the norm with Army recruits.Only once or twice have I seen a Drill Sergeant at the hospital, the chow hall, or the dental clinic. I have seen a decent amount of outstanding soldiers, like this one Drill Sergeant at CIF who was straight destroying a group of PVT's just like he was a Marine Corps DI. I got a hard on. Maybe its just my job, but in my job I see alot more nastiness than good with the Army. Where did you go to boot camp at? This also might make a difference. Ft. Leonard Wood is considered a easier boot camp where PVT's have more freedom, according to some of my friends that are Drill Sergeants here. -------------
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 10:20am
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why? its not like hes going to bust out some military combat on me, they will just get mad and walk away. and if they did try to fight me, I wouldnt be able to stop laughing. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 10:50am
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 11:17am
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 11:51am
+ SEA PEOPLE = SEACIETY! ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 12:04pm
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:06pm
I did basic at relaxin' jackson. It wasn't hard physically, as I worked out all the time way before I even left, but I've always been close with my family so that sucked. But regardless, we had times where DS's weren't with us, correct. During those times are when character is truly tested, but don't act like you had some time alone in the core either. I have marine friends who can attest to that... ------------- |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 3:37pm
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We never had time when there wasn't a DI within shouting distance. The only time we had "personal" time was during SDI square away time, which happened maybe 4 times a week for about an hour. Even then there was a Drill Instructor in the Seniors House.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 3:38pm
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challenge them to a pokemon battle.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 3:57pm
| I feel bad for seamen, their uniforms are pretty dorky. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 4:15pm
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thank you for making me lol in my quite office ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 4:35pm
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 5:50pm
Thats the same way the army is, you have about 45 mins a night to shower and get ready for the next day, but there is always a DS on duty down in CQ. ------------- |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 7:33pm
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We showered, shaved, brushed our teeth, used the head by the numbers. SDI Square Away time was when you studied knowledge, marked gear, did pull up or w/e. You din't have a DS actually on deck in each squadbay at all times? I guess it makes since though because the attempted suicide rate is probably alot lower there. -------------
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Posted By: benttwig33
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 7:51pm
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I ask myself "**edited** " and why they are in my general area. ------------- Sig is WAY too big. |