What’s with Russia lately?
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Topic: What’s with Russia lately?
Posted By: Benjichang
Subject: What’s with Russia lately?
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:02pm
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All this Cold War-esque stuff going on with them lately, if anyone's been following the news. First, they talk about aiming missiles at various points in Europe due to plans of a U.S. missile site there, next they plant a Russian flag underneath the North Pole, now this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6950986.stm - linky  I THOUGHT THE COLD WAR WAS OVER!!! -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:06pm
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Not to mention the military excercises with China yesterday. Who knows, they've been stabbing us in the back for years, I guess they just want to push the point home that they don't really dig this whole "ally" thing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:23pm
If the Russian Bomber Fleet is anything like the Sub Fleet. I'dbe more worried about having the whole Aircraft fall on me than the bombs.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:27pm
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the world is out to get the US ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:35pm
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lol evil.
that just dont feel so... well endowed... these days. |
Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:50pm
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Russia's been looking for a way to consolidate its power in the world for years. They may have found it with the formerly ice laden North Pole melting and thus exposing POTENTIALLY 25% of the world's unknown crude oil supply. This could be a major move for them. Quite frankly, I don't have a problem with it. The United States has been doing this kind of stuff for years, except on already claimed territory.  Edit: And this isn't just conquer land and claim it, a la the imperial days. (which is know internationally illegal). They have actually sent in ground samples from both their country and their prospected annexation to prove that this land is theirs to claim. They're going about this the right way. And well, if the samples come back negative for a match, I just don't know what will happen after that. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:52pm
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hey canada isn't just ignoring the north pole, we are just as attached to the place as them, we even put a military base there to "give a message". though, as us canadians do we will give up with some kinda "agreement" which will be in russias favor. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 1:59pm
i hope thats wrong. last thing i want to see is Russia in control of the north pole area. next it will be antarctica. america could also have a claim to the pole since we have alaska so damn close to it. but if its anyones, greenland and canada have more of a right to it. and with the ice melting, huge shipping lanes will open that will benefit canada greatly. |
FROG MAN wrote:Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 2:18pm
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does any one else feel its silly to be trying to make profit/power from somthing thats the side of effect of your planet dieing? ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 2:24pm
Yep, but its an oil driven world, and we're running out of it. Looks like we're not trying to ween into alternative energy or conserve oil until its too late. |
Posted By: Ben Dover1
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 2:26pm
well, i bet in the next century that it will just become part of the ocean, and canadians dont seem to pose much threat toward other countries.... ------------- 
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 2:59pm
| Ugh, Putin is solidifying power. It's gotten pretty scary, I mean, come on, they outlawed opposition parties. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:04pm
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I think the word you're looking for is dying-and no, it's human survival. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:07pm
| Putin is a very dangerous man. I think he has also seen the US lost its spine, and is now a push over. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:09pm
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i told you guys almost 4 years ago, Putin's are are turning Red, this does not surprise me one little bit, I'm surprised this wasn't going on sooner. Don't worry, it'll be another 10 years before we see the hammer & Sickle again. ------------- 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:17pm
yet it will end up killing us all? that made no sense at all... ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:32pm
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So their bombers run exercises in the North Pole...Bombing penguins? ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:34pm
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Looks like Hugo Chavez and Vlad Putin are racing towards 'world's next dictator' -------------
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:36pm
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That actually happened throughout the summer, but regardless its still pretty stupid. Not too long ago they were doing flights along the US east coast, then down to Cuba to refuel. That stopped when the US started intercepting them and turning them away from Cuba causing them to have fuel exhaustion and crash in the Atlantic. I don't see the point in showing off their POS Bears though. They may have been comparable to the B-52, but they've got nothing on the B-2 except maybe useful load. Another link: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/08/17/russia.airforce.reut/index.html - http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/08/17/russia.airforce.r eut/index.html |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 3:37pm
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i dont belive penguins live in the north Hemisphere ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:04pm
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I don't get why Russia was so mad about us building anti-strategic missle defenses, except for one thing: It would spoil their future plans. ------------- 
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:06pm
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benji arent you the one who thinks communism is cool?
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:08pm
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I think the western worlds view on communism is very wrong, there is horrible things that are happining because of democracy, the ideal government i can think of is a mix of the two. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:11pm
Yeah, and communism hasn't done anything particularly horrible... Care to elaborate a little more? -------------
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:21pm
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sorry deleted my post i dont want this to turn into a 10 page debate with people telling me how they would rather die then not have there freedom ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:23pm
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Too late... he quoted it.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 4:26pm
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No, I wasn't going to argue the validity of communism with you, just wanted to see how much you know about it's benefits to society on a whole as compared to the destructive nature of democracy you speak of. But it was a good way to dodge the question. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 6:28pm
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 6:39pm
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What's wrong with communism?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 6:45pm
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In theory? Not much. In practice? Everything. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 6:45pm
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Big hairy women. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 8:42pm
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Posted By: Ben Dover1
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 8:44pm
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 11:02pm
Commies -------------
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 2:15am
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Well, we could own Russia, but they could start a nuke fest. I'm sure some of you have seen this before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9AMtUeyDP0&mode=related&search= - Link To Video. ------------- 
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Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 12:26pm
| Why would we go to war with Russia? Oh, you're telling me theres precedent for unconstitutional and irrational war? Go figure... |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 1:41pm
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I think Communism gets a bad name from the leaders who tried to put it into practice. In reality, Stalin and Mao, and most of the others who have tried didn't really go so much for Communism as they did for simple tyranny....That being said, I think European-style Democratic-Socialism is probably the best thing we have going for us now.... Anyway, on Putin, I've been saying that guy is bad mojo for years now, no matter how much of a stand up guy W says he is....I'm interested to see how the who transfer of power goes down when he has to step down as president next year(?)....Either way, I see a pretty dark future for Russia in the cards.... On the bright side though, if we do get in to another Cold War, at least we can focus on a solid conventional enemy again, instead of these non-state-affiliated idiots....Maybe we can get back to what we're better at....'Course, most of the current problems in the world stem from our single minded focus on beating the Soviets from the '50s to the '90's....so maybe we'd just be putting it off for another few decades.... Either way, with new land to be fought over, a coming energy crisis, the issues over "globalization", the Middle East mess(if we continue trying to fix/manipulate that), and everything else...Geopolitics in the 21st century should be at least as interesting as it was in the 20th....Who knows, maybe I can start **edited**ing about neo-McCarthyism's or something like that soon....Just have to wait and see... -------------  |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 2:11pm
wait, the states loses to 3rd world countries but would "own" russia, ya... i doubt that. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 2:16pm
Please remind me what "3rd world countries" have beat us? -------------
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 2:19pm
veitnam? I guess theres no way to really say who "wins" a war, but the states deffinatly didn't "own" them in anyway, ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Mephistopheles
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 3:38pm
Hahahaha. Hippie. Oh yeah, the planet is dying! Be sure you answer the Guilt-Signal Batman to answer the cries! Gimme a break. The planet is not dying. This is just another one of its phases. Just like the cold chill of the next ice age to come from this all will be another phase. Somebody who apparently loves this rock should know that. On the issue of those Russian land tests. Who did they send the samples out to? What's to stop them from just paying a couple million dollars to said "experts" for their testimony in Russia's favor? Why not, happens here in the US with the FDA on a regular basis. ------------- http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=166647&PN=1"> 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 6:43pm
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/17/europe/EU-GEN-Russia-BBC-Broadcasts.php - BBC broadcasts banned from russia
After all, it is foreign propaganda and all..... Russia is turning scary again. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 7:38pm
Yuri is pleased. -------------
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 7:39pm
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 7:55pm
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Posted By: Ben Dover1
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 8:45pm
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 12:22am
Nam was not an official war, it was a conflict.And if we really wanted or had to we could of nuked Nam and we would win.But not many people were pro Vietnam war. -------------
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 12:34am
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If only we had listened to Barry Goldwater and Gen. MacArthur... EDIT: Wrong war...woops. |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 1:19am
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YESSS. Great games right there. |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 1:30am
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"i've seen this before" "C4 KNOCKIN' AT YOUR DOOR" -------------
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 2:37pm
no you couldn't have, the rest of the world would have been so against it, i wouldn't doubt it if trading and international business would have stopped then the states would have been screwed, war is more politics then brute force. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 3:05pm
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I have to say that you should rethink that argument Nuclear. It was basically a war, and we lost. We also didn't win Korea (although many argue we didn't lose either). The nuke theory is also pointless and not helpful to your argument. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 3:23pm
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 4:22pm
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Dune: We did not "lose" the Vietnam war, the Democrat polititians of the time did not allow us to win, nor allow a strategy that could win. Militarily we never lost a battle, we were just never allowed to continue the fight on a scale that would lead to it's conclusion. Only the continuation of bombing of Hanoi in December 1972 (Operation Linebacker II) brought the North Vietnamese back to the Paris table for serious negotiations a true "end?" of the war. The negotiated "Peace" in Jan 1973, and the promise of the return of US Forces to South Vietnam again if North Vietnam posed a threat was summarily ignored in April 1975 when North Vietnam again invaded South Vietnam and the pleas for help from the South Vietnamese were ignored by the again, Democratic polititians. We did not lose the Vietnam war, the only losers were the South Vietnamese, first in the war, then in trusting the US at thier word. (do we detect a potential pattern here, a history repeats itself example of American foriegn policy?)
Korea, being a United Nations conflict was again only stopped via an armistace, we (The US and UN Forces) are technically still at war with North Korea, and the final negotiations are still being nit-picked at Panmunchon every week for the past 54 years. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 4:59pm
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A.K.A....we didn't win either war...A.K.A.....we lost because our goal was not accomplished any MANY people were killed in a useless conflict. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 5:10pm
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Yes Dune, historically accurate, no excuses, fact, and frustrating to those who will in time attempt to rewrite this history also. And to the South Vietnamese it was not a useless conflict, to try and protect thier national identity. Check your history, Democratic controled Congress of the period, who controled funding, and broke a promise they signed off on. But I forgot, I am a NEO-CON, so my facts do not count. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 5:11pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 5:15pm
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I wasn't debating that it was a Democratic government. However, your claims that we could have won are as useless as our involvement in the conflict itself. We didn't win, and I do not see that our involvement in either Korea or Vietnam was a positive. It went on for too long, taking too many lives. Although, if the western governments would have listened to Mihn after WWI and stopped trying to control colonies, he might have never turned communist. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 6:35pm
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So, OS, what do you think about this whole Russia ordeal? And China lately(on the topic that they are looking for war)? I know most people hate OS, but I like him. He is like the old, hard ass, right wing conservative, commie hating, vet that hangs out at Army/Navy stores neighbor I never had. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 7:16pm
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Lets see, Russia, as in the old Russia has allways been very Nationalistic and with a strong military ethic. The fall of the Soviet Union was just another hiccup in thier long history as a military power. They are rebuilding a National Spirit as well as thier military, so in a very few years they will again be a force of major military power and projection. The Chinese have shifted from a purely defensive posture to offensive. They are building a blue water navy, carriers as well as submarines, thier airforce is constantly upgrading from older Soviet designs to idiginous designs based on thier mission specifics. The Taiwan issue will be the next world hot spot, as the mainland Chinese position on the issue has been made quite clear.
Now with the weakening of western militaries through apathy there will begin a testing period by both Russia and the Chinese where thier military will begin minor incursions and actions to guage the wests response. We are defanging our military, while Russia and China are sharpening thier fangs. Should be an interesting few years. Understand that in a conventional war in europe or asia we will be undermanned and outgunned by shear numbers and ever improving Russian and Chinese weapons systems. It is great to have 4 never miss air to air missiles on your F-22, but Russian Mig or Chinese F aircraft numbers's 5-25 become a slight tactical problem. -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:26pm
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$5 says WW3 begins within the next 10 years. Dear god will there be a lot of nukes getting tossed around.
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:30pm
Yes, we could have.But of course the whole world would have hated U.S. for it, i was just saying that we could have.And no, Nam was not a war, there was never a declaration of war is what i was taught. -------------
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:40pm
You would be correct that there was no congressional declaration of war. However, in that time the President was able to wage war without Congressional approval. This ability was taken away with the War Powers Act of 1973.
I don't think we can be certain when something like that will happen. During the cold war were we not expecting to be wiped off the face of the earth by nukes? Did it happen? Nope. I do agree though that if WWIII breaks out, certain countries will not be able to resist the temptation to throw nukes around (think we all can figure out who I'm talking about). ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO! 
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:43pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if North Korea Cuba and Russia teamed up against the U.S.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:51pm
What are Cubans going to do? Launch Plaintains at the Florida Coast? North Koreans? Why they are in it for the cash. It's not like that dude belives his own porpaganda. North korea is in such shoody shape that there are a danger only to South Korea beacuse of Nuclear Artilery Rounds. Russians now that's a whole nother thread. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:52pm
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http://www.tdfast.com/ss_wp/wp/101444_sm.jpg - Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:53pm
Russia could help out Cuba and NK. -------------
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:54pm
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I personally think the manpower against the United States and its allies would be greater than that fighting for it. And personally, I think the opposition would have a good chance of winning...if we didn't incinerate them first.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:59pm
With Old Rusted Hardware? Like we wouldnt Intercept it and send it to make more coral in the Atlantic? Google up the Capabilites Cuba and Korea have now days. And how the current Russian Federation Armed forces are so underfunded with relics that are breaking down constantly. Even their flagship Sub the Kursk sank. -------------
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:03pm
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:07pm
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Ok they get a Nuke past screeners. Then what? your sitting on a 80 megaton Warhead how do you Deliver it? What method are you going to use to Detonate the Warhead? Then you have as Cuba one Nuclear Warhead. A Fleet fo Obsulute Aircraft. The two best aircraft in the Cuban Airforce are Mig29's that are in a Museum because they are not Flight Worthy.
Boat? Ok unless you use Cuban Raft building tech to slip past radar. I doubt their Navy's ship can get within Strking distance of the US before Swallowing Torpedos. -------------
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:09pm
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I'll have to agree with Evil Elvis that to the extent of our knowledge Russia doesn't have weaponry comparable the that of the United States. However, it is certainly dangerous to underestimate anyone. Just to add a word about our defense systems, how many of you knew that back in 2005 when the whole North Korean missile scare started, NONE of the United State's permanent missile defense facilities were operational. There were so many problems with them, the government had all sorts of people working round the clock to fix the problems. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:12pm
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Just saying, and if someone did attack the continent of North America, we would be screwed, everyone would probably panic...
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:14pm
If someone attacked any continent the people there would Panic. But with as many Guns and Crazy People as we have in America it would be like Red Dawn x 100...
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:16pm
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People would panic, and start shooting every other person they see....
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:16pm
Of course everyone would panic, what the hell else would they do. My question is, what would those people within the US who are opposed to it having nuclear arms say if there was a nuclear attack on American soil? Would they still be so opposed to it, and would I still see them on the street corners, then saying not to launch some nukes back? I think the danger of nuclear retaliation is clear. It's the same situation we were in during the Cuban Missile Crisis basically. One country strikes, the other retaliates and soon enough everyone is getting hit. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:19pm
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Well of course they would panic, but we never really have had fighting since the civil war,people wouldn't know what to do.
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:22pm
Since we have enough crime these days for people to want to carry around weapon (knife, gun, etc.) that we would be better prepared for an internal war than you think. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:24pm
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Pocket knife Vs. Soldiers......hmm.... However, those with CCW's would probably own. -------------
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:29pm
You missed the point. I'm not talking about using the weapons people carry against foreign soldiers, but that people feel the need to have a means of defense on them in every day life. Sure, lots of people would stand up and fight. I do think it would be inaccurate to say with certainty that all Americans would stand up in arms to fight. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:30pm
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This aggression will not stand, man.
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:32pm
What? ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 11:34pm
I'm sure most would fight, but many wouldn't know how, they hear of war, buy a gun, someone comes into their house or something, they shoot at him,all the lead they spray goes though the drywall and could kill their kids or family in the other room. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 21 August 2007 at 1:30am
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Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 21 August 2007 at 2:21pm
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Posted By: thebuickguy
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:22am
Well according to Many intelligence agencies the kursk Probably hit something to cause it to sink, i think i read a 75 % chance 20 % torpedo was accidentally triggered in arms compartment, and other 5 % was other theory s that were not even 1 %. Russia believes they ran up against a Diesel sub or a sub not powered by nuclear means. Now heres the crazy part on that is the only nation in the area that has subs that are not nuclear is Germany's Hydrogen powered subs, so as long as we are on this WWIII debate I am gonna go to the old tried and true World War mongers and my ancestors THE GERMANS ARE THE ONES TO FEAR
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