My area is very armed.
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Topic: My area is very armed.
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Subject: My area is very armed.
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 12:20pm
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http://www.local6.com/news/13956220/detail.html - Link When I read the story, all I could think about was what I read last year: http://www.wesh.com/iteam/9573306/detail.html - Link It is all mildly unsettling to think about. I know I will have this in my mind next time I go downtown. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 12:30pm
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It's funny, I don't know what it's like in other states, but concealed weapons are like driver's licenses in Texas. You almost expect people to have guns on them or in their cars. This may sound unbelievable, but when I worked at the grocery store where I lived, there was a really cool older (as in 50's, not elderly) guy that would come to the store. He had a CHL, and being fairly well off, always had a different one. He knew I had a thing for 1911's, so he'd show me his custom Kimbers/Colts. One time he was showing me a custom .45 he had built, and one of our bread guys walked in, and was like, "Nice gun man. I've got one just like it." It was funny as hell. Feel free to turn that story into something completely wrong, BTW, I know I would. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 12:41pm
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Arizona is pretty easy to get a CCW as well. About a 6 hour class and have to hit a target from 10 feet away 10 times. ------------- 
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 1:26pm
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maybe you should get one of your own
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 1:31pm
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Get a CCW immediately!
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 1:34pm
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Are you 21 or older ? Get yourself a pistol.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 1:43pm
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you only have to be 18 to carry, 21 to buy ammo for it, at least in indiana.
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 1:43pm
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Michigan you must be 21 to own a pistol, 18 for a rifle.
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Posted By: Shut_Down_
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 3:18pm
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It's funny... I can carry around a M249, I can shoot people in foreign lands, and lead a squad, but I can't own a handgun...or legally drink. But...I can own an AK47 with a folding stock...? |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 3:23pm
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It's weird that you have the right to carry a pistol the same time you have the right to drink.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 3:25pm
How would that help at all? -------------
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Nuclear wrote:Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 3:44pm
a) if it worries you that that many people have guns, and that you might get shot, then carry around a gun yourself so you have a chance of not dying. b) You will now be able to please all of the ladies, no matter how loose, as owning a handgun makes your penis grow exponentially. -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 4:10pm
yes because owning a gun means you can not die. buy a gun to defend yourself incase youre shot at is a better idea. or purchase a kevlar vest and hope they only shoot 9mm |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 4:33pm
did i ever say they kept you from dying? no, all i said is it would give him a better chance. -anyways, he's never going to get one, because its whale, and thats just how he rolls. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 5:05pm
You are responsible for your own protection...not the police. If you are truly scared of the crime in your area you might want to think about having the ability to protect yourself with a CCW. Your lucky your state grants you the right to self protection. Most of us are not as fortunate. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 6:51pm
| PA has more CCW's isssued than any other state. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 7:02pm
| If only someone had a CCW. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 7:04pm
yeah. like if you live in mass. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 8:15pm
It is not the crime that worries me, it is the amount of armed people. ------------- 
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 8:37pm
why are you worried about armed people if they wont be commiting crimes with their arms? -------------
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:21pm
Well... it's the "potential" for the armed people to commit a crime. I myself, am a bit thrown off by MBDs source of fear. You're afraid of the guns... but not so much about crime? Making an assumption from the text of the article... it seems to suggest that of that 50% of young men walking around strapped over the weekend... most of them are carrying illegally. If they're going to clubs and bars, then I'd assume illegal carry... as typically a CCW/CHP doesn't allow entry to bars/clubs that serve alc (although I can't say for certain for FL law). To me... that's still spells out fear of "crime"... If 50% of young males walking around Orlando on a Saturday night were all stand-up fellows with clean noses and legal carry permits... I wouldn't see any reason to fear anything, despite the plethora of firearms on the streets. But... given that is most likely not the case... I can understand (and share) MBDs fear of the situation. But I'd twist it a bit by stating my fear was more in regards to the type of people carrying the guns (thugs), more than the guns themselves. And for those stating MBD should get a pistol... I was under the impression he already had one. Which, of course, means nothing and does nothing to remedy his fears. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:28pm
You sated things correctly. I am not happy about crime, as nobody is ever really happy about crime. I am not afraid of crime, per say. But I cannot say that knowing that 50% of hoodlums downtown are armed does not make me a bit uneasy. Yeah, I know, guns don't kill people, etc. An overly armed society makes me nervous. Anyway, yeah, I own pistols, but I make no plans to carry them, nor to have them in my dorm, as that would be illegal. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:30pm
Actually its easier for me as a non resident to get a mass permit then it is for me to get a RI permit..and I live here. Libs go figure |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:31pm
Yeah! Gal danged libruls. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:32pm
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Guns don't scare me as bad as knives. People with guns area more likely to think before firing off in a crowded area-a guy with a knife can do fatal damage and you might not know it until you discover you're bleeding to death.
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:38pm
With society today being what it is... I don't blame you! While I'm certainly not opposed to carrying... I concur that not everyone should be armed, and certainly not the weekend night-crowd in Orlando (and elsewhere). I don't have my CHP yet... but I can legally open-carry here without any need for a permit. I don't. And have no plans to. That is... until the Iranians, ChiComs or Zombies invade. Then you can bet yer keister I'll be right there next to Burt Gummer with all five pistols on my belt and four rifles slung around my shoulder... as I shop for milk at Safeway. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 9:44pm
correct me if im wrong, but shouldnt a liberal, by definition, not try to regulate firearms? -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 10:02pm
Being a liberal is not the same as being a libertarian. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 10:08pm
Shop smart, shop S-mart. -------------
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 11:07pm
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Think, if their was a major school shooting or mall shooting, there will be at least 150 other guns their to protect you! ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 23 August 2007 at 11:09pm
Gun + Alcohol = Deadly -------------
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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:05am
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i usually carry my 10/22 behind the seat of my truck on the weekends. not for persona protection, just in case i see a wood chuck. ------------- 
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:23am
Assuming your are carrying legally, there are restrictions, can't take to bars, and some other places as well as places such as sporting evens and other places with mass number of people. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:26am
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I'm with Whale here... Even though individual gun ownership is nifty and all, most people are still morons, and morons with guns is a scary combination. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:27am
Thats why i feel if your gonna carry you need to take a CCW class. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:33am
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I'm all for that - but all the CCW classes I know of deal mostly with how not to shoot yourself in the foot, and will do nothing to de-moronify the average guy. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 12:35am
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Many are shooting at things without hitting other stuff, using cover and so on.
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 8:50am
I agree. Until I took my first few classes I had no idea how little I knew. There should be a more comprehensive class on dealing with firearms and the use of them...including the hell you will go thru if you have to use deadly force. As far as legal CCW holders go, most states do a good job in screening the applicants. From what I have read on other boards Fla is pretty good at it. Im not worried about CCW holder, its the other guy who carries with out a permit, he the guy who worries me...hes up to no good. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 8:51am
LOL if only you lived in my state(RI is arguable the most lib in the country) and see the crap these people come up with. 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 24 August 2007 at 9:02am
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Yeah, civil liberties suck. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:53am
Huh? How does taht fit in, other then the liberty to own a firerm, and protect yourself. I was refering to my state. IT is almost 100% lib demorat and we are in real trouble. Our budget is way out of wack, and the stuff these morons come up with...well I could go on, but unless you live here you have no clue. |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:54am
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when will they realize guns don't kill people, stupid people kill other people with guns.
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:56am
Because Guns are BAD...people are just misunderstood members of society. Yeah their mommies didn't hug them enough. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:57am
Well, it could be said that republicans have run Ohio into the ground, but that wouldn't be exactly true, and I'm guessing it isn't in your case either. |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:59am
Yea thats it, take away guns, then they can run around stabbing people making them die a more painful death, then what ? gonna take away their knifes ? then what ? baseball bats ? then what tennis rackets ? No matter what you take away, if they want someone dead they will kill them. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 12:00pm
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Slippery-slope much? |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 12:03pm
Stupid people don't realize you can't blame guns for crime, its just a tool. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 12:07pm
Although I would agree to a point, I still do not understand why liberals are all slated to want to take guns away. Is it just finger pointing in order to make someone look less American? |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 12:10pm
It's a bunch of stupid politics. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 1:02pm
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This is what doesn't make sense to me. As mentioned, the people who go through the legal process of obtaining a CCW and legally buying a gun usually have NO intention on doing ill with it. It's the illegally carried and obtained guns that do the damage. If the ability to legally carry and purchase a handgun is revoked, then guess what will happen. The underground market for handguns is gonna soar. I speculate any restrictive laws on handguns and CCWs are only going to hinder the honest publics' ability to defend themselves, and barely touch the people who actually commit the crimes. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 1:31pm
Thats another thing, if they ban them people will do worse things to get them back, I wouldn't be surprised if the police murders go up because of people killing cops for their pistol. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 2:41pm
Very, very few people support an outright "taking away" of guns. Please try and know what you are talking about first, Radgriz Ghost. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 2:42pm
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Criminal statistics regarding gun criems are mixed, however there tends to be a lot of data to support the notion that when ownership of firearms is further restricted, firearms crime, and crimes committed WITH firearms, tend to increase. This has been seen in Australia, Britain, Canada, and some U.S. states. Conversely, areas where gun ownership have been deregulated to some degree have sometimes seen a drop in crime. About a year ago there was a huge outcry about Florida's 'stand your ground' law, stating that people had no duty to retreat from a threat before resorting to force. The Brady campaign cscreamed about torrents of blood in the streets, which never materialized. Criminals don't obey laws, and as such they are unlikely to care what the current gun legislation is; not when their own gang culture makes it necessary to arm themselves to fit in and for protection. Gun crimes are generally not committed by the legal owners, but by those who carry/use them illegally. I would suggest that with possibly up to 50% of Floridian males carrying firearms at times, the current crime rates actually prove that the vast majority are carrying responsibly and are not using their guns for crime. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp - Many verifiable statistics that may be of interest In the above link, of particular interest are some of the stats about firearms used in self defence, and some of the 'null stats' showing almost no recorde instances of predicted firearms abuse. The site's worth a read. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 3:20pm
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^^^Which is what I said, only better researched and supported. :) ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 7:53pm
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A few thoughts - People focus too much on the criminals. While criminals with guns are obviously bad, several posters in this thread have basically declared that "good honest folk" with guns is at least neutral, and probably a good thing. What I suspect Whale was hinted at, and what I know that I hinted at, is that most "good honest folk" are also irresponsible morons. It frightens me that a bunch of people are walking around with guns - not because they are criminals, but because they are irresponsible morons. Yes, most gun owners manage to stay out of trouble, and manage not to shoot themselves while "cleaning" their gun. But my worry is simply that an angry moron is fairly harmless, unless he happens to be an angry moron with a gun. Now he is a problem. Guns don't kill people, but guns escalate any situation into a potentially deadly one. The "gun grabbers" don't think that everybody is a criminal, but they - correctly - evaluate that the average person frankly is not of sufficient mental and emotional capacity to responsibly own a firearm. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 10:19pm
So who decided who should own what? Or for that matter who decides who is of "sufficient mental and emotional capacity". Sue I sort of agreed with you earlier, but now you have gone off the reservation. The average person is more then capable of handling a gun, and defending oneself with it. Firearm education is the key here, not restriction, or outright bans based on the look or capacity of the firearm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH26hy84Tnc - A "Grabber" who knows her stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhIeHVm66Yk&mode=related&search= - Dealing with Florida Law |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 10:23pm
Yea, I'm not him....so thanks for looking like an idiot. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 10:52pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKADcfE90U&mode=related&search= - Time to learn the truth
This should clear up any assult weapon discussions |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 10:54pm
Nobody is talking about assault weapons. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 10:58pm
As if anyone here buys that for a second. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:01pm
That is what I was talking about. I know that most people with a gun are not out to do harm, but with a gun, they have the ability to. And at the risk of this turning into a CCW discussion, I worry about people trying to play hero in a situation, or people who think they are 10 foot tall because they carry a gun. It is not the hardened criminal I fear, it is the everyday person. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:06pm
LOL not anymore  Still a telling link
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:18pm
Well, I would argue that your fear is misplaced... but then, after thinking about it... if the average everyday person has my shooting skills... then yes, there is plenty to be afraid of.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:21pm
Sounds like you have plenty of ammo to practice with.  ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 26 August 2007 at 11:33pm
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 12:35am
Not true. I am 19 and own a pistol, and it is legally registered in my name. I'm not allowed to just carry it around, but you're allowed to own one at 18 I believe. You just can't buy one from a federal arms dealer but if you receive it as a present or something similar, you can own a pistol. Also, I've owned shotguns/rifles for hunting since I turned 12 and received my first 20-guage for Christmas... You can own such guns at just about any age since they don't really need to be registered here. That said... Just don't piss anyone off in Orlando I guess. Or bring your own gun. Once I'm 21 I guarantee I'll get my CPL. For when I go to Detroit. Orlando... pfft. ------------- 
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 12:39am
Yea, Detroit is the main reason my dad has his, for the city. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 12:50am
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That's what I'm saying. Go down to like 6 and Livernois and tell me you're afraid in Orlando...
If your ass is white (even if not for that matter), you'd better have a gun, and keep your eyes open, or just stay inside. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 1:31pm
I think you are reading too much into my post, CK. I am not suggesting that we should in fact prohibit gun ownership to average Joes. I am simply observing that I have little faith in my fellow man, and I know all too many people that own guns legally that frighten me even when they aren't armed - not because they are criminal or "insane", but because they are, for lack of a better word, "dee-dee-dee". And dee-dee-dees running around with guns is frightening. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 27 August 2007 at 1:44pm
You got me caught viewing the forum at work with that one. Couldn't help but laugh aloud. |