Creatine question...
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Topic: Creatine question...
Posted By: *Stealth*
Subject: Creatine question...
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 7:46pm
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Well, since I started college i've been hitting the gym again (Free for students), since I've heard so much good about Creatine here, I dropped in the local nutritional store and picked a bottle up. My question is, when looking for gains, how much Creatine should I use? The bottle said 5grams to water for a dietary supplement, is that what I should be doing, or should I use more? ------------- |
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Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 7:56pm
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You really need to be careful with that stuff, it builds up in your kidneys depending on the % and some other things, look into a weight lifting forum before you start using supplements like that.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 7:56pm
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You should ask the guy, cause if im right theres a few different types creatines. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 7:57pm
Depends on the %? And some other things? God, you're useful. ------------- |
Nuclear wrote:Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:00pm
It's hard for me to explain, like i said check out a weight lifting forum.It has other things in it than creatine. Read this, you can figure out who i am. http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=313641&highlight=creatine - Link EDIT: Do a forum search there for creatine and read up some of their programs for working out. -------------
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:01pm
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ya ive been looking at creatine to. Since i go to the gym 3 days a week ide like something of that sort.
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:01pm
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Lot's of the kids at my school use creatine before they max out in the wait room or before they go to a game. So basically from what I can tell it isn't for everyday use just for when you are be going to do lot's of work with you muscles and you need a little better endurance.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:02pm
| Me personally, i use a powder called Blow. It's the most potent pre work out powder the guy had in the store lol. But yeah most places like that will tell you watever you need to know, cause in there minds you walked into the store ready to buy somthing. So there gonna suggest somthing that gets you results and has you comming back. So really i dunno why u wouldnt of asked a question like this there. |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:02pm
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If you know what your doing its fine, but do your research.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:03pm
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Hopefully http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/creatine/loading-creatine-use.htm - This helps. I've been considering using creatine myself. Lemme know how it goes bro
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:04pm
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I stay the hell away from that stuff. Its fine to use for a few months maybe, but then your supposed to get off of it. Its when people start losing the mass after getting off of it and keep taking it to keep the mass that trouble starts.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:06pm
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ask the guy, but monohydrate creatine is somthing your gonna wanna stay away from, it just fills you muscles up with water from what ive been told and once you stop working out it goes to water again with sagging muscles. trust me, its happened to my buddies. edit-protein powders are where its at |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:07pm
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Personally i don't see a need for it, which is why i tell people to just avoid it, you can still build plenty of muscle yourself without it.
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:13pm
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youg people do not need creatine, your body already produces it. if you take it now your body will stop making it as to not "overdose" then when you get older your screwed. to grow all you need to do eat, alot, and good stuff, not crap. People who take all that crap and dont eat, get a little stronger but they never grow big. body builders eat around 4-5000 calories a day, of nothing but chicken/tuna/beef/and other shakes and whatnot ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:13pm
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JESUS! 20 grams a day for the first week! damn. ------------- |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:13pm
| Why don't you try and build you own gains just using good old hard work and protein? You develop a better stronger muscle when built naturally. |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:14pm
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If I were you, I'd avoid that stuff. I've heard mixed opinions about whether or not it is safe to use, and its a fact that if you use it, you need to stay very well hydrated. I think it basically just fills your muscle cells with water, making them bigger. But I'm no expert; I may be completely wrong. Anyways, like Nuclear said, check out a weight-lifting specific forum, or even ask your doctor. My doctor told me to stay away from the stuff since there hasn't been any good and thorough, long-term research. Creatine is almost like kiddy-roids. ------------- 
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Posted By: heliumman77
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:16pm
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Work harder really supplements are pointless if you work hard enough results will come.
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:24pm
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Don't use creatine, I too used creatine when I started lifting. Use protein and weight gainers and you'll be fine.
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:40pm
Yea I know a guy who uses that too. He says it works great.  ------------- 
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 8:56pm
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I never heard much good from Creatine. But I hear alot of people recommend whey protein. ------------- 
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 9:15pm
| I was almost thinking about getting some whey protein and decided against it because I don't work out enough. THis year I should be getting pretty buff because soccer is making us work our arms out like crazy. |
Posted By: Nuclear
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 9:17pm
So you have to work your upper body while playing? Or are they making you work out ? -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 9:37pm
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Just stay away from it unless you are a pro. body builder. Ther isn't much reason for people to use things like creatine unless they are getting paid to look good Research something else that is mroe likely to actually make you stronger. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:27pm
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Holy Hell.... This is some of the worst information of creatine I've ever seen... People praise marijuana on this forum and creatine is going to harm you? There are many different types of creatine, the kind you have has to be creatine monohydrate, the worst form. There is creatine ethyl ester (which I feel is the best), Kre-alkalyn, and a couple of other said forms but those are the most popular three. Not everyone responds to Creatine monohydrate, but everyone responds to ethyl ester. 20 grams for your first week is correct, your body has been working with minimal creatine, so you have to saturate your muscles with it to where it becomes effective, and then after the first week only a 5g "maintinence" dose is required. What kind do you have? Brand? Your first mistake was choosing creatine over protein (assuming you haven't been using protein), protein is where all your size and muscle comes from. You need at least one gram of protein per lb of body weight, I try and do two though... Before I went into bootcamp I was at 204lbs with a 30" waist, I'll try and get some pics up if I can find them. Anyway, if you have anymore questions let me know, I would be happy to suggest better proteins and creatines. ------------- |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:36pm
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:42pm
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:42pm
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Glad to see Here's to you in this to sort out some confussion. Yeah guys, creatine's not going to mess you up. And stealth, we're going to need to know what kind and brand of creatine you bought so that we can assess what you need to be taking.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:45pm
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^I didn't even know you were still posting ced? You still lift?
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:48pm
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More than ever, man.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:50pm
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Nice, you ever reach 300?
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:53pm
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Yeah, but as soon as I hit the 305 mark I decided to start focusing
more on dumbbell bench due to the fear of tearing my chest muscle.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:54pm
 I guess I'll just try a load and than a few maintenance weeks and see how it's working out... ------------- |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:57pm
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Ced- I always do dumbbell, more stability muscles. I was at 270, but dropped to 240 after basic and AIT. Stealth- You probably won't see much results off that, but good luck. I'm telling you, a good protein would go alot further... ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:57pm
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Ahhhhhh never go to gnc again, stealth. GNC is the biggest rip off store in the business and they're just not good people. Next time you're looking for something, go to Bodybuilding.com. Great people and great prices. I've never used monohydrate, so I couldn't tell you what to do. Just do what the instructions say, and drink a good ammount of water. It's important to keep yourself hydrated for the creatine to work properly. -------------
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 10:59pm
Care to recommend some protein brands? ------------- |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:01pm
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100% Optimum Whey double rich chocolate. Tastes amazing.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:03pm
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:06pm
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:12pm
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I laughed. -------------
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:29pm
No need to look like that... More like Gatyr. *Pures at gatyr* ------------- |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:45pm
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Gatyr is out of shape. Scratch that, round is a shape. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 3:57am
No problem. What Ced said is good, Whey 100% gold standard by optimum nutrition is what I used when I got to a pretty high weight but didn't want to gain body fat. Best protein for the price hands down. My two I would suggest for you is Musclemilk, good protein and high cals, perfect for weight and muscle = mass which I'm assuming your trying to do. If your wanting to put on weight even quicker than that, Universal Real Gains is amazing. I put on about 6 pounds in 3 weeks and I was already around 190. The protein I'm using now is Pro Complex by optimum nutrition, you might wanna look into it when you gain weight. But my suggestion would be musclemilk or real gains, whichever suits you more. And listen to Ced, and stay away from gnc. I would honestly take the creatine back, they have a 30 day policy with the receipt. Bodybuilding.com or Dpsnutrition.net can get you a good protein and creatine for the price of that one tub you just bought. Anyway, this was me in January of 06  http://imageshack.us">  http://imageshack.us">  And this is my more recent, you can tell I lost about 20. (I'm on the left) http://imageshack.us">  ------------- |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:20pm
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If you have to take something I'd suggest the protein but I personally take no supplements. It seems that most of that kind of stuff leads to some kind of liver failure or other serious problem that outweighs looking good. I just eat right and work out and I'm about the same size as my 2 suitemates who go to the gym with me and take whey protein and used to use creatine. It seemed like the creatine didn't make them any stronger but it made their muscles puff up and look bigger. The protein actually helped them a little in terms of adding muscle. I don't use protein powders or any of that junk but I do eat stuff like tuna or eggs so I still get protein the natural way. Also, if you haven't already, I'd talk to your doctor about it. A few people here know some stuff about this but I'm sure your doctor could give you much better info on this stuff.
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Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 3:01pm
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I tried a cycle of creatine because I wanted a short cut, faster results, and I was not thrilled by it. It was a serum form that I took and you had to drink it with grape juice or something else with lots of sugar. It's hell on upsetting the belly. I would not use it again. Fills muscles with water, when you want glycogen. I have had good results with Nitrix, a NO2 supplement. More strength and anaerobic endurance. It makes you tone up nicely. Stay away from Steroids. Far more people do them then the typical person is aware of. You see many guys with huge arms and little chicken legs with anger issues… yeah, don’t die by 30. The best mass gain that works for me is a good whey protein, along with a good multi-vitamin and eating. Eat good low fat food, and often. An important thing is to plan a smart work out including power lifting. Many guys fail in that. Make sure you give your muscles time to repair and rebuild before breaking them down again. Legs maybe a couple days rest, arms and torso a day, work abs every day. Stick with it! The nutrition and the workout. AND DONT FORGET TO STRETCH like many guys. It really makes a difference with how the muscle sits on your frame and your posture. Visualize what you want, and work out all your body in a balanced way. Believe it or not Arnold Swartzenegger’s (SP?) book "The Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding" is excellent for any level of fitness you are. It has everything. ------------- Think and give them all you have from the beginning, and never weaken! |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 6:03pm
Since when do people use creatine for a short cut? Creatine was never meant to cut in the least, your body holds water so if anything, it works oppisite of your goals. On top of that, the serum, which seems ever so popular has been proven many times in actual studies to lose it potency as it sets, making it the hands down worst way to actually ingest creatine. I've ran gear, the same people who say you'll die by the time your 30 on steroids are the same type of people who say you'll die by thirty smoking marijuana. Do some research, the Boston Journal of medicine did, and I'll bet money you won't see those reports on TV... And nitrix is not a bad supplement, just extremely overpriced. There are much cheaper NO supp's. NO isn't even essential, just makes you feel better working out, which is cool if your willing to pay for a feeling and in turn, maybe squeeze out a few extra reps that build muscle. I would rather use that money on more protein, and gain it much more easily, but to each his own... But your right, the encyclopedia of bodybuilding is a great book, especially for building workout plans... ------------- |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 12:29am
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So what's better, more reps, or more weight on 5-10 reps?
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 1:25am
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low weight high reps builds mass high weight low reps builds strength take your pick ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 1:45am
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Just what YWSM said. If you want size, don't go under 8 reps a set, and go as heavy as you can while still completing at least 8 reps a set per exercise. 3-4 exercise per bodypart (4 being recommended). So my chest day looks like: Flat Dumbbell Bench - 4 sets with normally around 90's depending on the day. Incline Dumbbell Bench - 4 sets Decline Dummbell Bench - 4 sets Dumbbell Flyes - 4 sets. For something like arms, you have to hit biceps and triceps with 3-4 sets, so naturally it's going to take longer. ------------- |
Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 1:46am
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Personally i am shooting for strength this year, i figure i will pick up some size, but i'm going to do it more for the strength.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 10:52am
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 8:38pm
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Here's to you and ced basically covered everything. In case you're wondering why creatine monohydrate and ethyl ester are different, I'll help you out. Monohydrate is much thicker powder. Once you ingest it, it first has to go though your stomach muscles. Since Monohydrate is thicker, most of it gets 'caught' in your stomach muscles. That is when you most feel the effects of Creatine. That bloated feeling is the Creatine pulling water from your body to your stomach muscles. Ethyl ester is much finer, and doesn't get caught in the stomach muscles as much as Monohydrate. If you want to buy creatine, I'd go for a more of a mix. Creatine plus NO is really good. Try NO Xplode. And, and Ced and Heres to you said, aviod GNC. Total rip off. bobybuilding.com is wonderful. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 8:57pm
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I find it amusing that deskchair jocks that live most of their lives on the internet are trying to take the easy way out to grow big muscles in the RW.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 11:35pm
NO-Xplode is not a good Creatine/NO mix at all. Xplode barely has over 1g of creatine, that's why the makers of Xplode also make Cell-Mass (the creatine) that's supposed to be ran with it and they call it the "mass stack". Cell-mass is a good creatine, but don't make the mistake of taking NO-Xplode for creatine, you'll only be wasting your money. I semi-agree with Hades, most people are going to be severely disappointed with supplements. Your not going to get the results of what your thinking of through creatine and protein. Your looking at months of work for minimal gains if you train naturally. All in all, your looking at months of work for about 10-15 solid pounds. ------------- |
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 1:46am
Possibly not even that. I've been working out for a long time now, and all of my lifts consistently go up in poundage, but my body weight doesn't move much. Maybe about +5-10 pounds over the course of 6 months. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 1:54am
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That's life. It takes time and hard work to get the results you want. Unless you take steroids, then you'll get them fast.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 4:01am
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I was taking creatine. I always drink at least 2 gallons of water a day. but you regardless you should be (edit:) drinking that much water (end edit). creatine turned my pee green for a week. and then i alway got diarrhea sooo if you want to take it be my guest. but i always felt like crap taking it. if you are gona take anything, protein shakes, and then amino acid pills to help break down all that extra protein. also a healthy diet.
best solution has to be a healthy diet and consistently working out. dont get lazy if you dont see results. like many previous posts, it will take months before you see any large results if you see anything at all. just dont be stupid like my friend in my unit did. went to a 80lb dumbbell without warming up, tore his bicept. all on a dare. now he may not be deployable for a year. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 4:16am
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Kristofer- Good advice. That's a common problem (diarrhea) with creatine. They make creatine that's formulated for people with sensitive stomachs. The name doesn't come to mind, but If you want, I would be more than happy to look it up for you. The reason your urine was green was dehydration (which I'm sure you know). This can also come from a good multivitamin, which is caused from excess of various B vitamins (most commonly B12). Rapidfire- With a good weight gainer, with good cals and protein (not some mass XXX gainer from GNC that just adds 2000 cals of unhealthy fats) you should be able to put on weight alot quicker than that. What people don't realize is when you use a gainer you gain mass. When you gain mass, your not going to have that ripped abercrombie look, but your going to be big. Mass and muscle aren't the same thing. Gainers with good cals are Universal's Real gains, and Ergopharms Mass Meal. You may notice Ergopharms name, the owner of the company is Patrick Arnold, head of the BALCO steroid (think baseball). Stand up guy that had to take a fall for the rest of the situation, and handled it like a man. As Ced said, the only exlposive gains come from gear, you basically get what your willing to put in. Do research. ------------- |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 9:38am
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yeah I was taking muscletech cell tech. actually it also made me very on edge with people. i stopped taking it because i didnt live how it made me feel. now i take the following..
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2542 - Body Tech Whet Tech Pro 24 http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2252 - And my amino acids Dont know if thats good stuff. So if anyone knows thatd be great. didnt want to make a new thread. also, am not in anyway attempting to hijack this thread. |
Posted By: Nickodemus
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 9:40am
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Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 11:50am
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 3:10pm
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Kristofer- Thats a good protein. Look at the ingredients, you always want your first ingredient to be WPI (whey protein isolates), it's the most digestable meaning it's absorbed better by your muscles. Casein Protein digest really slow, so it's best right before bed so your fed protein throughout the night. Most people just don't like buying two proteins. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ast/microcreatine.html - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ast/microcreatine.html ^And theres your creatine for sensitive stomachs, $14.60 for 65 servings is really good as well Nick- On your first post, you never said anything about improper use of powerful steroids, you just stay away from them. If that's your opinion, thats cool. As long as you have reason backing it up, and not all this propaganda like BALCO and Chris Benoit fueling that idea, then your fine by me. ------------- |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 4:45pm
| thanks for answering my question heres to you. and the link. |
Posted By: Ben Dover II
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 8:45pm
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be a true american, just take some steriods. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 9:13pm
American? Last time I checked America is one of the few countries where steroids are illegal... ------------- |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 11:23pm
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