My day at a military academy
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Topic: My day at a military academy
Posted By: Pezzer
Subject: My day at a military academy
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 6:23pm
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One of my friends is attending a military academy in Virginia. Currently he is a Company Commander, and I'd have to say his job looks pretty fun. So when I got there, he was standing on top a hill while one of the guys in his company ran up and down it carrying a 20 pounds sand bag. When I walk up to him he dismisses the kid and shows me around. Well next he finds someone jackin off in a closet (all the doors to the rooms have windows). He yelled louder than anyone I've every heard, and of course everyone walks out into the hallway to see whats going on. The kid was obviously humiliated, and my friend had someone take him to the Commandant's office. Well next thing, he finds some kid throwing rocks off a hill at the bleachers on the soccer field. He makes the kid run down to the bleachers, pick one rock up, and run back with it. The kid had to do that until every rock was picked up. Those were just the big things, he made at least 4 people do push-ups over the 2 hours I was there. This is mostly to you military guys, maybe he was going a little overboard? ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO! 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 6:25pm
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I don't think I could ever order someone around like that.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 6:31pm
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I don't think I could ever be ordered around like that.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 6:32pm
Just a bit overboard... ------------- Que pasa? 
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Benjichang wrote:Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 6:37pm
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He isn't a hardass all the time to them though, he offered to play tennis with the kid running the hills when I got there. He was helping the kid learn how to play. I also think the amount of punishment dealt will go down considerably when the kids stop being morons. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 6:39pm
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I never knew throwing a rock made one a moron.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:02pm
| wow, isnt that Hazing? |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:05pm
| kris- i think at a military academy that would be considered disciplining, for the throwing rocks anyway. the way i see it, someone could get hit with a rock and then theres an unecessary problem. at least now the kid isnt going to be dumb enough to throw rocks again. besides, he made him run and pick them up, it was habu grabib (sp?) |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:09pm
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whats wrong with jacking off
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:21pm
Its not, the problem is they had porn. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:22pm
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:28pm
The kids in his company are 13-14 years old (he is 16) and they legally shouldn't possess pornography? You might say that he should understand why they would want it, but its not his job to be a friend to them, he is there to keep order. I should add that he didn't officially get the kid for having the porn, which was on another kid's cell phone. He got him for using the other kids phone, which is against regulations. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:35pm
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posessing porn is against regulation if your in an academy or a training school (airborne, air assault, etc.) if i remember correctly. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:37pm
Hahahaha, military sucks. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:40pm
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:42pm
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to protect your civil liberties. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:43pm
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No offense, but I don't really see the military protecting my civil liberties at the moment. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 7:51pm
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i understand, everyones entitled to their opinion. however you also have to look at it this way. the government tells the army where to go and what to do, so technically the government isnt protecting your civil liberities... honestly, after looking at all the reasons the military sucks, why would anyone join other than to serve the nation and protect its citizens? |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 8:58pm
yup. also, when we are in training schools, we would buy porno, kids with laptops with porno on them got caught watching it by instructors in the racks. the instructors would grab their laptops and trade porn. so yeah. in the Marines it must be different. EDIT: I didnt realize these were children we are talking about. I thought it was VMI. my bad. now i can see why porn is bad. but still, we always get porn, at AT (Annual Training) my girls of penthouse was stolen by a SSGT and i had to steal it back. the bastard. good thing he left it on his rack |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:01pm
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So you give up your civil liberties to protect them.. It is all so clear to me now...
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:03pm
umm yeah pretty much. UCMJ sucks. you guys (civilians) dont have double jeopardy. oh we do, we do!!! yay! also, there is something called Article 134. Which is also called a General Article. Meaning, if it isnt against the law what you did, but they dont like it, you can be charged under Article 134 and face a court martial. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:09pm
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So taking this a step further in defining your situation, you fight for the civil liberties you can't even enjoy? Do your paychecks come from whatever branch of the military you serve or do they all say United States on them? -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:11pm
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LEMONY LIME GOODNESS
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:20pm
they come from the DoD. DFAS or something. dont know what it stands for. which reminds me. i havent been paid yet for septembers drill which i've completed... |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:23pm
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:24pm
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I like the guy who said they weren't being defended at the moment. Here's hoping theres someone around when your being ethnically cleansed after the people have decided there is no need for an army or guys like us because there is no "current" threat.
And all that is pretty standard. You have to be professional at all times, regardless of age. It is volunteer after all. You wouldn't want your boss to catch you spanking it in the closet of the crappy job where you work, he'd fire you. The army is nicer, instead of firing you, they help you clear your mind with a little bit of PT. And what did your mom say about throwing rocks? Some of you have a lot to learn about growing up. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:45pm
Defense Finance and Accounting Service GI JOES SON, you can't blame government when you are part of it. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:56pm
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 9:59pm
lol canada -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 10:34pm
so the military does not protect those rights? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 10:36pm
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 10:40pm
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i didnt say i blamed the government, i understand that as a soldier that makes me a member of the DoD, which is a component of the government. However, it IS congress and the President who make decisions as to where armed forces go and why. i wasnt blaming the govt, just stating that its the higher ups who decide who goes where when, they decide what civil liberties need to be protected and what countries to help, soldiers, Marines, airmen, just pawns to the king and queen. EDIT-benji, know that one about saying what you want? the one that says you can walk up to us, call us all sorts of names and whatnot, and we still defend your right to say it? the military does not directly protect it, but it did in the 50's when the national guard was called in to ensure the safety of the black students who wanted to attend a white school. i consider that protecting freedom of speech of the girls who wanted to attend that school. and you can argue what ammendment or law that was, but when it comes down to it, the military was called in to defend it. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 11:23pm
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Benjichang is somewhat right. Today's military as a whole is not protecting our liberties. Certain segments of it have probably prevented something hidden from becoming a huge detriment to us in recent times, but to say that the soldiers that are currently deployed in the Mid-East are the reason we all still have our heads and we all still speak English is just ignorant. That does not, however, mean that anybody who says the above is not grateful that there is somebody doing a job he does not want to do. However fruitless our efforts may or may not be in the sandbox, there will always be a need for a military and volunteers for it. And that is where the respect should go. I think a lot of people these days are deluded into thinking that the current actions overseas are what's keeping us together as a country right now. People are thanking soldiers for the freedoms that only soldiers of past wars have actually preserved (specifically both World Wars). Again, modern soldiers don't deserve the thanks for that, but they do deserve the thanks for serving. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 11:26pm
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tolgak-that really sums up basically what i was thinking
and thor- "what did your mom tell you about throwing rocks?"
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 12:39am
No, we join to fight for the civil liberties you take for granted. As for going overboard... you've obviously never been to a real boot camp. I would have killed to have been forced to carry a 20 lb sand bag. Do you realize how hard it is to hold an M16A2 straight in front of you with arms locked and charging handle pulled back? ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 12:52am
So the whole bossing people around thing just took a new turn. It went from aggravatingly dumb, to downright creepy. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 12:55am
Those civil liberties that the Iraqi's stole from us. I hear they are keeping them in the same bunker as the WMDs. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:00am
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Contrary to what you and your buddies think in the liberal media, the war was never with Iraq. It was with their leadership.
And Italy never touched our civil liberties... should we have fought their leadership? What about Spain? Afghanistan? -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:02am
Ah, right, the leadership. Saddam stole our civil liberties! That is who it was! Rat bastard! -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:05am
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Fantastic job dodging the rest of the question.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:08am
I was just sticking to the point at hand. You failed to explain how Iraq, or the leadership there-of, were at all encroaching on our civil liberties. Quit trying to change the subject. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:16am
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It's not changing the subject, it sticks full well to it. You just dont have a viable answer and so you try and play it off.
But if you want to go there, what do YOU consider civil liberties? Life, liberty, and property? -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:48am
That's what war comes down to anyway. You think WWI started as a scuffle between a deli owner in Austria and the Englishman polishing his shoes? The citizens rarely have motivations for war that weren't started or fueled by their leaders. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 4:38am
| Back to OP point: I wouldn't want to be in either position, the instructor or those kids, sucks to be them. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 8:09am
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I'm sorry Linus, you can't say "we" when refering to soldiers, you simply are not one.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 8:27am
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 8:29am
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 8:36am
And that is where you are wrong on multiple points. 1) Soldier is Army, Marine is Marine Corps. I didn't join the Army. 2) I said why we join, not why we are in it. And last I checked, I joined. 3) I can technically still be called to active duty. I still signed the contract for 8 years, and can be called back whenever needed. Sorry but go ahead and berate me for trying and being force against my will to leave. It shows how much of a man you are that you never tried but attack someone who did. The only people on here who have ANY room for speaking about how boot camp is are the ones who were actually there. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:01am
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Where does it say it takes a life dedicated to chasing WMD's in the desert to be a man? Maybe you have done so little with your life that you need the military to make you feel important, I don't. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:05am
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I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
Maybe I love this country? Maybe I want to protect it? Maybe I felt like getting hands on training for my future career, and not JUST college? Again, you don't know what you're talking about, so just don't. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:06am
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What did you protect the country from? And here's an idea, maybe the rest of us who don't want to join the military aren't all commies after all? I love this country, and I do want to protect it, but signing my life away and being sent out to kill people, overthrow a government, and set up someone else's democracy isn't my way of doing so. There's more than one way to skin a cat, Linus, not all of us need to join the military to show our appreciation for this country. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:07am
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Did I say I protected it? No. I said I want to.
But, since you asked... "Against all enemies, foreign and domestic." -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:13am
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As far as you protecting the country goes, I only asked how you have done so to prove a point. You haven't, so stop acting all high and mighty because you signed up for the Marines. I have not, and will not, join the military. Does that make me a bad person? Does that mean I don't love this country? That I don't want to protect it? No, it simply means I have more to live for as a civillian who specializes in computer networking. -------------
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:23am
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This is where me and some of the yanks part ideas.
I joined up because I know the people of canada aren't war-mongering or ignorant, and I'm not saying the yanks are, but we do nothing but good here. Hell, it's even to the point where the population doesn't want us there because we're getting a few casualties, not because of the idea behind the conflict. It's just inconceivable to certain folk to have a clear connection with history-rights and freedoms-an right of passage and not join a service(fire fighter, cop, military) to feel like they need to give back a little. And in my eyes, which are biased, it is significantly nobler to, at the very least, join the reserves for a little while, that it is to "not think i could ever take orders and join up" and go on to become a computer repairman or businessman who never really helped anyone but his self. Sorry for the rant, but although there is ignorance on both sides of the fence, at least I know which side I'm standing on. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:29am
Define help. They do have computers in the military, right? -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:43am
Ok, first thing's first on the whole high and mighty part. Ask anyone who has been to MCRD (maybe other branches too, but I can't speak for them) and they beat into your head that high and mightyness. Hell, even when being discharged, they kept it up. They said "While you guys are going back to the civilian world, know this, you did not fail. You went where 95% of the country is too scared to go. You did what most of the country will never do, and while you did not make it because of an injury out of your control, you can always keep in mind that atleast you signed up, and most of the country will never." They break you down and rebuild you however they want, and that sticks with you the rest of your life. Hell, I still find myself doing right/left obliques to get around objects sometimes without even thinking. Do you realize how bad an injury has to be to get discharged from the military during war time? No, it does not make you a bad person. What makes you a bad person is that you believe you have the right to attack someone who DID join just for the fact that they got injured giving 100% and were forced out against their will. And if you love it, why don't you want to protect it? Hell, as a point to the original posters topic: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,148861,00.html - http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,148861,00.html "Sgt. Jerrod M. Glass, who was charged last month with 225 counts of abusing recruits in 110 suspected incidents between Dec. 23, 2006 and Feb. 10. ...Glass, who had worked as a drill sergeant for less than a year when the alleged mistreatment occurred, was relieved of duty as a drill instructor in February. He is scheduled to go to court-martial Nov. 8. If convicted, he faces up to 269 years in confinement." I was there when that happened, and I also had it happen to me. Boot camp is no walk in the park. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:50am
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Ah, so they were airlifted out of Baghdad international airport and flown into Syria? Why didn't I think of that? |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 9:56am
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I still fail to see why joining the military makes anyone better than someone else. And I'll say it again, I don't have to enlist to protect the country or show my respect and patriotism. I pay my taxes, I abide by the law(for the most part), and I do my part in my community to help make it a desirable place to live. I see why they beat that elitist attitude into soldiers, marines, officers w/e. It is necessary to keep some people there in the first place. But you aren't actively in the military, Linus, and that is something to remember. No, I'm not attacking you. Acting like you are better than the rest of us out here in the civilian world is another turnoff to the people who already don't think about joining. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so tone down the elitism a bit and respect people for who they are and what they believe. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:02am
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True, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but YOUR opinion is attacking MINE.
True, you don't have to enlist to show patriotism, but you have to join some sort of government regulated para-military / military organization to actually protect it. IE Cops, military, so on so forth. Cleaning up a park doesn't keep the terrorist and ax murderers away. True, I am not active duty, but again, I can still be called up for it at any point and time.
Oh the irony. Do you respect me for joining? For giving it 100%? For being injured while giving it 100%? For being forced out against my will for that injury? And before you ask, yes I respect you for wanting to be a civilian. It's your choice. Do I think everyone should serve, like in Israel? Maybe. What about me liking Limp Bizkit? As I recall, you are one of the first ones to pull out the Limp Bizkit / Fred Durst card whenever you want to attack me personally. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:05am
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:05am
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You've had my respect from the time you enlisted. But somehow you've found a way to systematically destroy it by attacking anyone who doesn't share your with us or against us attitude.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:09am
Which makes me wonder, if the war was REALLY about civil liberties, or WMDs, why we didn't just follow them into Syria, since you know, everybody is so sure that is what happened to them. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:10am
But that's the thing... I've never gone on the offensive on this matter, it's been you and the rest of PBC who attack ME for being injured and discharged. I don't remember any of PBC saying "Well at least you gave it your all" when I got back from basic. I remember "You failed now drop it" and in any thread that has any bit of me speaking of military service, the same thing is brought up... "You failed" And that is why Enos made that sticky at the top of the forum... people are getting tired of it. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:12am
If I may. A very large portion of that has to do with the fact that before, and after, you talked a very big game. Arrogance does not lend itself well to sympathy. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:14am
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And that makes it right?
I talk a big game because I have the right to. I went through BC and got injured, an unforeseeable event. What I don't have the right to do is say how easy war is, or how easy being a world renowned chef is, because I simply have no done it. If it weren't for a bolted piece of steel, I'd be in Iraq right now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:15am
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This isn't a PBC matter, I could care less what the group does as a whole. I bring it up to help you remember who you are, and to lessen your elitism on the topic. I'm not trying to insult you personally, maybe you take it personally when it really just applies to the thread. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:15am
Well, its tough to justify the expansion of an already unpopular war, especially if you want to win an upcoming election. One side maintains that they are absolutely right in what they're doing, and moving to someplace else would indicate they were mistaken in some quarters, that might cost them when it comes time to tally the next set of votes, and the other side maintains that the entire thing is nonsense, and that ending it is the only way to go. Anything else would cost THEM an election. When you let politics govern a war, all you get is a mess. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:16am
| Oh, and BTW, Will you guys PLEASE knock off the baby stuff? |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:18am
Whether you try to or not, that is how it comes off. I don't try to sound elitist, but that's how it comes off. And no, I don't take it personally. This isn't 3 years ago. It's just a discussion. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:19am
At the point when the WMDs would have been moved (if they really did exist) the war was actually relatively popular. Besides, if the war really was about getting the WMDs and making the world safer because of it, it makes no sense to watch them drive off and wave. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:21am
But that's when it took a new direction, at least.. publicly.  -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:23am
All I did was take a stab at an explanation. You're asking for a logical interpretation of the United States global politics. When you find one, let me know would you? Even as a supporter of some of the current administration policies, all I can do is scratch my head and wonder sometimes at the motivation behind some of these calls.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:25am
We could spend all day arguing this point, but the facts stand that he had them and he used them and we found some remnants. Was it what we thought? No, but that doesn't make it a false reason either. What I don't agree with is the people that want an unconditional withdraw ASAP... before the current mission is complete, at the risk of many innocent people and our troops. Yes, there were mistakes made. But just because 1 thing goes wrong doesn't mean we should scrap the entire operation and make it all in vain. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:31am
You have attempted to argue this many a time, and every time you end up at the receiving end of the common sense stick's beating. Yes, he had them at one point. Yes, he used them at some point. No, the rusty old outdated munitions shells we found in a shed do not constitute the WMDs we went in to get. ...Provided that is why we went in the first place. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:33am
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The argument is, at least from what I can understand, that an immediate pullout would be based on the 'lack of success' over the last few years in this conflict. Supporters of an immediate withdraw dismiss any and all claims of success, citing (as in the recent Petraeus report) that these claims are unsubstantiated, and nothing more than puppet information handed down from the Bush administration. And, if there is no headway, no success, and no positive news coming from the front, then why stay? I'm going to sound like a boob because I can't remember the name of the democratic leader so it'll sound like a made up factoid, but before General Petraeus' reourt came out, this guy was asked "what if the report shows that we are being successful in Iraq?" His answer was "that would be very bad for us" Since that's exactly what happened, the reports are being dismissed as bunk, and if there's no credibility to them, we have to get out now before we waste more time and lives. In some people's eyes, the mission has already failed, so quit trying to beat a dead horse, and bring 'em home.
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:34am
I think it is a little odd that four years into the war now, and I still don't think the ink has dried on the last reason we decided was the reason we went to war. 9/11...crap WMD's...crap Al Quidea connections...crap -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:39am
That is even a bit tin-foil-hat for my tastes. I don't think there is any conspiracy by Bush to get the military to fake reports. Nixon tried that and got burned, proof being New York Times v. United States. I do, however, question how much longer we really should be staying, as well as the reason we were there to start off with. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:53am
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As do I to be honest with you. I don't think that some of the people who are claiming that the military reports are faked actually BELIEVE that, I think they're hoping that we as the 'average joe-tired of conflict' type people will believe it.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 11:25am
Although I doubt the administration would go to leaps and bounds to fake documents in any way, I have to agree that I believe we have definitely overstayed our welcome, for lack of a better term. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 12:50pm
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not true. a guy i knew signed up for the marines, and in his contract wanted to go to iraq, went through BC and all that good stuff, and even with desert training included it took him over a year to get there, and he volunteered for it.
oh uh, going back to the origin of this thread....the kids got punished for stupid things they did. big deal, at least its not you. some academys take kids from facilities so they dont go to juvie hall or the like, so maybe punishing them harsher might help a little. just some food for though |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 12:52pm
It is still a little weird that they let a 16 year old boss around a bunch of 13-14 year olds. It is all a bit creepy to me. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 12:57pm
this is probably the first time im going to agree with you whale, your right it is weird that a 16 yr old is in charge of kids 2 years younger. at that age they really arent in any position to be in charge, i dont think they're mature enough. at rotc level, 3rd and 4th years are in charge of the 1s and 2s, but they've been to training camps and stuff, so im fairly competent that they know what theyre doing. even still though there are army officers and sergeants in charge of everyone. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:00pm
I am fine with ROTC level. Provided you are talking about college ROTC, or even high-school ROTC, the higher-ups are going to be in the 18-19 range, and the lowers will be in the 16. 18 to 16 is a lot more understandable than 16 to 13. I cannot really explain why, it just seems...weird, like something out of a really bad after-school movie. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 September 2007 at 1:11pm
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your right, the age level doesnt match the maturity needed to be in charge of a group of people, its actually a pretty classic parallel to the movie taps. yea, its college rotc level....i have to say pt at 530-730 every morning blows |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 19 September 2007 at 11:09am
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Not appropriate for the age level. We had stuff like that in boot camp, good ol' Intensive Training (IT). Pushups, sit-ups, 8-counts, mountain climbers for up to 2 hours. It motivated you to not screw up. That was different though. I volunteered to join the Navy, so I did what I had to do because I asked for it. Chances are, the instructors there were at one time Recruit Division Commanders, Drill Instructors, Company Commanders, ect. that revert back to the "training" they gave to their cadets and recruits. Why? Because it's the only way they know how to do it, and it works most of the time. They just need to realize these kids aren't going to be Marines, Sailors, Soliders, Airmen, ect. ------------- 
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