Right off the top of my head I am seeing several major design hurdles.

strykerx15 wrote: the only thing im having truble with is the anti chop . there might not be enuff room . but theres no anti chop on and A-5 . or a stock mag and people dont have to many problems hybrid name some of your thoughts , maybe they can help me out with the design

First off, the bolt receives air from underneath. How is it going to get air if the valve is in the same tube? How is the bolt going to move forward if the bolt pin is not engaged on the striker?

strykerx15 wrote: hybrid-sniper wrote: What is holding the bolt in the retracted position? a spring kinda like the auto mag

Now I don't know how mags work, but wouldn't the spring in a cocked postion be trying to open, thereby pushing the bolt forward?

for the love of God please just insert the picture of it in this thread so we don't need to get bombarded by spy ware @ photobucket.

While it's a good idea, patenting things is expensive. You're supposed to go in assuming you are going to produce what you patent, making money to cover the cost of the patent. I believe the patent fee is like $2,000 or something? Not sure though.

What you could do is if you can't find the means to produce your idea, find a way to get it patented and try to sell the idea to a major company. Who knows, you may just get a taker.

Yep, after some research, I found it costs generally $2k for the simplest of patents. Conventional patents can cost up to $10k.

You can't sell it now because no one will buy it. If a company actually likes the idea, they will turn down your offer and just design their own for free, as your idea has no legal protection. If you can't protect your idea, propose it to a company and have the satisfaction of knowing you designed that marker. The trouble is convinceing others of that. It would still be cool though.

Just have a reg/ASA like the mini. The mini is extremely small as it is. You really can't make it any smaller w/o sacrificing comfort

Delete this thread if you want to keep this a secret.

There is no way that you can make that without having some machinst skills, and probably some airsmithing skills.

Stryker:

I've looked at your design and read all the replies.  I'm not trying to be critical, but I see one major design flaw.  I could be incorrect, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hammer blowback - there doesn't seem to be any mechanism to re-cock the hammer.  Typically, there is a direct linkage between the bolt and the hammer so that the blowback caused by firing air out the barrel will re-cock both.  Your design seems to be relying on pressure through the valve to be sufficient to re-cock the hammer, which I'm pretty sure isn't enough.

Some other things to note are:

- Manufcaturing cost:  Probably the cheapest way is to make the handle valving a seperate tube which is inserted and plumbed at assembly.

- anti-chop:  As mentioned, you have nothing to prevent your paint from chopping.  Most guns are open-bolt blowback, which helps prevent this due to an increased lag time between shots.  The closed-bolt blowback design which you have will cause the bolt to "bounce" back closed and most likely chop paint.  A suggestion may be to make some sort of 'latch' which releases the bolt when there is pressure behind it.  This would convert it to an open-bolt blowback and reduce chopping greatly.

Other than that, I really like your creativity.  Your first step before a patent would be to build a working prototype.  Once you have something that's worth the investment of patenting, then you worry about that part.  Until then, just have fun experimenting with your prototype!

frag_68 wrote: - anti-chop:  As mentioned, you have nothing to prevent your paint from chopping.  Most guns are open-bolt blowback, which helps prevent this due to an increased lag time between shots.  The closed-bolt blowback design which you have will cause the bolt to "bounce" back closed and most likely chop paint.  A suggestion may be to make some sort of 'latch' which releases the bolt when there is pressure behind it.  This would convert it to an open-bolt blowback and reduce chopping greatly.

If he wants to use the AutoMag bolt as an example, why not make it like the Lvl 10?

Stryker:

The "striker" you're referring to is also called the hammer.  I know how a Spyder works, and as stated before am concerned that your design won't [work].  As you'll notice if you disassemble a Sypder, the hammer (striker) is connected to the bolt, recocking it during the blowback of the bolt.