new or old sp
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Topic: new or old sp
Posted By: p_p_b_h
Subject: new or old sp
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 3:03pm
| well i was wondering if the vibe is better than the ion, they are both low end smartparts, but the vibe is newer but cheaper. as well, is the epiphany or the eos better. |
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 4:39pm
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Now how are we supposed to know that? They aren't even out yet, just preorders... Not to mention, SP sucks. If you really want an SP gun, get used so you don't have to support their filth. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 5:07pm
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I wouldn't even buy used. ------------- 
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DeTrevni wrote:Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 8:01pm
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The vibe is just the old impulse tech packaged in plastic. It's a l-o-p spool-valve with no lpr, it's blind, and has a max rate of 11bps. It's a POS. If you chop a round (and 180psi forward pressure WILL chop) then you're going to jam the bolt forward and that is a PITA, just ask any classic-mag owner.
It's an imp, they're just not charging exorbitant prices for what is essentially 10 year old tech anymore. The Eos is just the old HE Matrix top-hat mod trick done up professionally in a lpr-regulated imp/shocker format. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: p_p_b_h
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 11:30pm
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... with the markers i have i dont think id ever get an sp gun. i was thinking that the new guns seemed of low worth and just wanted to see if there was anything worth looking at. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 12:07am
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Nope, not really. The new big-boys on the block (SP, DYE, et al) have all realized what many others already knew. It's not the $1,000 paintball marker that makes you money, it's the dirt-cheap one that you sell to the stupid suv-driving trophy wife of a soccer mom. THEN you sell them the $1,000 marker down the road. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 12:24pm
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Snake, normally I'd agree with that sentiment, but I actually like some of their markers. I'm toying with the idea of picking up an SFT (what a joke...) Shocker, or an old PL Vision Impy to screw around with. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: rvieira
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 12:40pm
A friend of mine has an SP ion, and he loves it. I have never played with one but his seems fine. Why are they so detested? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 12:44pm
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It's not so much as we hate Ions as it is we hate Smart Parts. They're nazis that are trying to monopolize the paintball market, their business ethics are nonexistant and they put a lot of good companies out of business. SP = ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Commander_Cool
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 2:30pm
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I don't have a problem with a company being competitive, but I don't think some of the patents that SP strong arms companies into paying royalties on would stand up in court, or go against the reasoning behind patents. I also do not like Smart Parts because they make mediocre products, but have huge name recognition among players, so there is a large number of people who think they are the greatest thing to ever exist. ------------- 2005 Freestyle Naughty Dawg Freestyle Angel LCD SP-8 Tippmann 98 Custom |
Posted By: p_p_b_h
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 3:01pm
| ok now its personal. some guy at my school said my freeflow cocker was the worst gun he has eveer seen and that cockers are horrible, and hes spent like 500 on his ion... couple other guys at school have ions and are also agreeing that the ion or X7 is pretty much the best gun made, and that the c3 is better than my new and beutiful phantom, .... some of you guys should come down and play these morons and plow them over, ive got a real moron/noob/milsimer apedemic here.... |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 6:36pm
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where do you live ppbh? I'd make the road trip
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 26 October 2007 at 11:21pm
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The pain, the pain... Told you. I was gonna mention the superiority complex most Ion owners have, but figured that would be too much of a generalization. A good example: Me (upon hearing a kid is a paintballer): Man, I've got this plan to make my 98c [back when I used it] awesome! Him: C'mon, it's a 98. It won't be that great... Me: Sure it will. Did you know it can be E-Bolted? Him: Huh? Me: That's where it replaces the hammer with a pneumatic ram. I can drop a Matrix board in there, 2-way the ram, install eyes and centerfeed it! Him: Still, it's a 98. It won't be as good as mine. Me: Er, well, what do you shoot? Him (with an aura of superiority): I've got an Ion. It's got a QEV. Me: /facepalm ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: p_p_b_h
Date Posted: 27 October 2007 at 8:56am
| Ontario, canada. just start setting up seminars in every city explaining everything about why sp sucks/is lesser than cockers and pretty much any other gun. lol my friend is in the reserve and his regiment has challenged me to play. i figure there gonna be good, but they all have done up x7s and think that its the most accurate and strong gun(how can a gun be a strong gun?) and that cockers are old and dead. hehe, one had the balls to say that they could take on any Canadian pro paintball team. anyone got the number of Edmonton impact? |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 27 October 2007 at 5:57pm
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Haha, thats funny. ------------- 
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 October 2007 at 9:01pm
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Yeah, ontario is mostly woodsball.
I don't have a speedball field for like an hour. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 October 2007 at 9:10pm
Doesn't mean you can't play speedball in the woods Carl  People love it when you hit the 50 off the break and then start bunkering everyone who is creeping forward on their bellies.------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 October 2007 at 9:41pm
So true, So true. This is what I do every walk on game. -------------
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Posted By: thejudge
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 8:53pm
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Or just run the same way they are at first and go around the field come up behind them all and either barrel tap then or hit them from behind. If you use the cocker most of them prolly wont even know you are behind them since they are so quiet. ------------- Stay low, run fast, and hope that paintball doesn't hit your... http://www.deltasquad.info/"> 
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Posted By: Connmann
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 2:33pm
------------- table of what really makes your marker work *Gnomes= autocockers *Fairies= Angels *Pixies= Timmys *leprachauns= tippys *goblins= spyders *elves= mags *lawyers= smartparts Ya I'm that smart |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 7:20pm
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Ions are fine. The owners are not, with the exception of a very select few. I have used a bone stock Ion before, and while I don't like how it shoots in comparison to other guns it is a damn fine little gun for $200 or whatever they go for now. The Epiphany was a lolsy failure because SP didn't think we consumers were smart enough to know it was a glorified Ion with an ugly body kit, and from the looks of things the EOS will be a similar situation. The Vibe would be ok for the super low-budget crowd, but it doesn't have eyes and like tallen said, chops with that thing will be a nightmare. |
Posted By: GhilleMan
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 2:22pm
People around you actually shoot the paint they have for thier smg's? most people I know just hoard it so they can say they have paint for it. I just stick to bunkering twibs with ions with my buzzard, and then they slit thier wrists because its a pump, super easy way to get rid of a pain in the ass. ------------- Smart Parts, Stupid People... Go figure Shoot To Thrill on stockclass, mcarter, and the dreadful pbn Carter Mini Comp, Carter Tricar, PPS Blazer |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 2:49pm
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Ghillie, there's a probably new run of .62Cal paint coming up, there's been a lot of trade on e-bay as well recently. I've even seen some of the other rarer calibers up for sale recently. This time of year, people will sell off their hoard to finance new acquisitions. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |