building a cocker
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Topic: building a cocker
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Subject: building a cocker
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 9:24pm
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A couple of summer's ago i bought a Proteam Products Sleeper autococker. I don't have a picture, but it can be seen here- http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/369/
Anyhow, since i bought it, it's just been sitting around. I really don't know an awful lot about autocockers and wanted to get you all's opinions on what i should do with it. Right now all i have on my mind is a regulator (which one?) and a hinge frame(which one?) Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Also, how hard is it to half block? ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom Psycho Ballistics X-Chamber P.B. Drop Forward Polished internals Lapco Bigshot 12" Macro Line Rufus Dog Double Trigger Dye Stickies Polished Receiver Halves |
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Posted By: Brainless
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 10:21pm
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If money weren't an option--and I really have no clue when it comes to Autocockers--I'd get a Palmer Stabilizer with Ashcroft Gauge and an ANS 90 Degree Swing Frame. That will make your marker look weird and scary! ANS Frame: http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3467/ http://www.ansxtreme.com/pindex.asp Stabilizer: http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/322/ http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/online-catalog/stabilizer.htm http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/images/online-stuff2007%2 0465.jpg Skip the half-block unless you have a good reason. I dunno what half-blocks do besides change the look of the marker. ------------- 98 Custom Inline Stabilizer Lapco Bigshot Low Pressure Kit |
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 10:29pm
| lol weird and scary...thanks for the input. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 11:46pm
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Ack! no stab no stab!!!!!
Valves: Shocktech Rat 3:16 $40 AKA Tornado $69 LPR: AKA SCM-III: $50 Micro Rock: $50-$65 Ram: Palmer's Quicker Ram: $60 3-way: Shocktech Bomb: $35 Palmer's Quick Switch: $41 Inline Reg: AKA 2 Liter: $95 AKA Sidewinder: $75 Bolt: AKA Lightning (Delrin): $60 Shocktech Superfly (Delrin): $50 Pump Arm: AKA Straight Arm: $20 Hammer Kit: Belsales Rex "Dailer" kit: $55 AKA Merlin Kit: $28 Sear: Belsales Roller Sear: $25 Shocktech Roller Sear: $49.99 Sear Springs: AKA Matched: $5 Trigger: Kapp Trigger Plate: $5 Everything else is just for looks. Oh, and if you're going electro Frames: Eclipse E-2 or RACEgun Valves: MQ Valve Hinge triggers are for people who need to learn to not short-stroke. That said, there isn't a whole lot other than the valve and inline reg that you actually need to do with a PTP Sleeper. I bet I can get that thing autographed by the PTP guys down the road. As for half-blocking, that means you chop the front of the valve-chamber off and unless you have a high-flow LP valve and a larger valve chamber like the Merlin 'Cockers do, you're going to have to run at a higher pressure to maintain velocity. It does, however, make the whole setup shorter and thus easier to tuck-in with. Mid-Blocking is merely chopping the upper tube off and using a custom short-bolt to increase cycling time. Shorter-throw to re-cock/re-chamber = faster cycle rate. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Brainless
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 12:26am
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No stab no stab? :( Why, are they not good for cockers? I will never understand paintball... ------------- 98 Custom Inline Stabilizer Lapco Bigshot Low Pressure Kit |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 12:32am
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lol
They're fine for 'cockers, but there are better regs out there. Especially if you have the money and time to build a nice one. AKA=Reg Goodness The reason you see a lot of people suggest a Stab in here is that they run CO2 very well and make a nice gateway reg that can handle both CO2 and HPA ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 12:39am
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wow tallen, a lot of that is above me, but i will trust your expertise and likely follow that pretty closely. expect many many pm's...
autographed? seriously?... that's be amazing! ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom Psycho Ballistics X-Chamber P.B. Drop Forward Polished internals Lapco Bigshot 12" Macro Line Rufus Dog Double Trigger Dye Stickies Polished Receiver Halves |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 1:03am
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Steve Davidson is one of the guys from PTP back in the day. He also wrote the Complete Guide to Paintball with a couple other guys. He and I are working with a few others in a 501(c) corp involved with patents in the paintball world. Whenever we get together for the board meeting, I'll let you know for sure if he and the others could get it done.
DeTrevni also knows a ton about A/Cs. Here's my current 'cocker. I'm picking up my holy-grail in about 2 weeks time. It's an AKALMP Merlin with a RACEgun frame and MQ valve. If you got DT and I in a room together with our new acquisitions, we'd have it painted in minutes they're so fast. 
I don't even have all the top-end stuff that I suggested on it. But here's what is in it. Body/Back Block/Vert Adapter:WGP Limited Run (200) Body with 1 of 1 Anno first gen Black Magic LPR: ANS Jackhammer II 3-way: Shocktech Bomb Ram: Palmer's quickram Inline reg: ANS GenX-II Valve: Shocktech Rat 3:16 Hammer: Belsales Rex Kit Springs: Nelson Matched Springs Sear: Belsales Roller Sear Sear Springs: AKA Matched Springs Trigger Plate: Kapp Trigger Plate Frame: DYE .45 Slider Frame Grips: DYE Clear Panel Stickies Bolt: Kapp Venturi Beaver Tail: Kapp Ring Tail Cocking Rod: Kapp Twisted Cocking Rod Pull Pin: Kapp Pull Pin Barrel: ACI Zero-G Graffiti Series Trigger-Shoe: Shocktech Trigger Pants Kapp stuff is hard to find these days as they went out of business. All their gear was geared toward high-end 'cockers and when the market blew-out. Well, they followed. Here's the milling up close: 
Other angle:  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 1:36am
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:) BTW: The "half-blocking" you described was "mini-ing." That's where the valve chamber is chopped. Half-blocking is where you cut off half of the upper tube off, find a shorter bolt and actuate it with a sled instead of a back-block. Midblocking is similar, but instead of cutting off half of the top tube, a slit is made in it and a shorter bolt and a sled is used. This works best for people with rarer bodies that wish to have the conversion done, but not ruin the milling on the body. Picture a new-bodied Black Magic. It's said half-blocking and mid-blocking reduce cyclical mass, improving cycle rate and reducing kick. Fact: A Slik kit is actually even less massive than mid or half-blocking a 'cocker, so if you still want to have some back-block mojo, get a Slik kit. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 7:03pm
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Viva la Revolucion! ------------- 
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:16pm
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http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3417142 - My personal favorite cocker ever. It will probably always will be too. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 01 November 2007 at 10:42pm
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Nice cocker tallen... ugly but sexy.
I plan to start into the cocker world soon with a superstock or a karni. (Probably superstock) By the way, has smartparts firebombed your house yet? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 12:00am
Nah, not yet. They're in for a surprise in the not too distant future though. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
carl_the_sniper wrote:Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 12:04am
Interesting... Actual surprise or can you let me know? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 11:28am
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Can't let you know. Sorry, but legal restrictions and a non-disclosure pact won't let me say anything more. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 2:19pm
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Dude. Robo, that's the same body as is on my Osiris. It half-blocks well. I may need to keep it... ("it" being the body. The Osiris ain't, and will not, be going anywhere.) ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 2:44pm
I'm bookmarking this thread for when you sell it in 6 months DeTrevni.  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 9:03pm
| detrevni, you should definately half block it. I love the look of that cocker and the pink/black is perfect for it. I like it because it is small and a different color from the norm. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 November 2007 at 10:18pm
Yeah Robo, you're right, Pink is a good color for DT!    ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 November 2007 at 5:08pm
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Tallen does it involve chocolate? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |