has anybody heard the stuff he's said?  thoughts? youtube dog bounty hunter phone call- extreme racism warning. its crazy and i bet dog wont have a t.v show for much longer. Whats your views

Never liked him, never watch the show.

I honestly think its such crap that everybodys freaking out about this.

There is not a person alive who hasn't said that word.

You've got to push it don't you?

Da Hui wrote: I honestly think its such crap that everybodys freaking out about this. There is not a person alive who hasn't said that

Worst cop out ever. I'm sure there are people that haven't said it before and to give leniency is just tolerating that kind of behavior.

Da Hui wrote: Dune wrote: Da Hui wrote: I honestly think its such crap that everybodys freaking out about this. There is not a person alive who hasn't said that Worst cop out ever. I'm sure there are people that haven't said it before and to give leniency is just tolerating that kind of behavior. How is that a cop out? It's me saying that I'm sick of people acting like its so shocking that somebody could say [certain word]. Everybody has said it, so why are we supposed to act all shocked.  I haven't heard the exact context of what he said, other than knowing it was directed to his sons Female Friend. Should I be outraged if a black person calls me a cracker or honkey? Because its tolerating Racist behavior?

I'm glad you have actual evidence to back up that "everyone has said it." That certainly is not true. Maybe everyone you know has said it, but that still doesn't make it right. Some people still have no idea how powerful that word is.

And no you shouldn't be outraged if someone called you a cracker, they aren't even close to the same in meaning.

I never said I haven't said it, but I will say that not everyone has. There are plenty of people that find it so horrible that they would't utter it for any amount of money.

Lets not try to pull the "I'm a victim too card." It was blatant racism and it was wrong. Calling someone a cracker may be an attempt at racism, but anyone with a little intelligence on the situation knows it's not the same.

evillepaintball wrote: words are what you make of them.  if people would stop saying its such a bad word and accept it as part of the culture, all negative aspects of the word would diminish, leaving it as nothing more than another word in the dictionary.

That works in a perfect world. Trouble is, there are plenty of people that still use that word to be negative and with it's full power. As long as people still use it in that way it'll never become just a word. Some people are just upset because they aren't allowed to say something so they'd rather moan about how it's not fair to them. It's quite funny and pathetic at times.

xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: If the word is so offensive in black culture than why do I hear it in most of there rap music? Or hear black people at my school say it to each other. Call me racist all you want, but I don't think the (n word) is a bad word. But I do think that of which the word is associated with is bad. Also I will add this, there are hard working blacks and lazy blacks as there is with any culture. But it seems more so that the lazier blacks are the ones who clame to care more about there cultures image.

This thread is filled with racism. What's worse is we are evidently not teaching people what is wrong about words like this. I don't think anyone, regardless of who you are, should say this word. I love white people that are upset because they aren't allowed to say it.

Yes it is powerful, enough to be used for hundreds of years and put a title on a group of people in order to put them into a formal caste system.

It won't happen like that unfortunately. I would like it to become just a word, because people wouldn't use it if there was no meaning to it. So we decide as a culture, since we are unable to completely forget the meaning, to put a social restriction on the word or to pretend it doesn't hold power.

The word was created and systematically used for a derogatory manner, so it will always carry that meaning. You can't just throw it around like it doesn't have a history.

xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: Well then we shouldn't call them black either. Also I looked up the video by Chris on racism. In the 2 min. I watched it, he said the n word some 30 to 40 odd times. Then they panned the audience and it was full of black people who were laughing histarically. So why do they not care if Chris says it but then get so upset when dog says it.

What exactly have you been taught about that word? Is it thrown around generally in your household?

Da Hui wrote: Dune wrote: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: Well then we shouldn't call them black either. Also I looked up the video by Chris on racism. In the 2 min. I watched it, he said the n word some 30 to 40 odd times. Then they panned the audience and it was full of black people who were laughing histarically. So why do they not care if Chris says it but then get so upset when dog says it. What exactly have you been taught about that word? Is it thrown around generally in your household? WE say it all the time in my house. But over 95% it isn't in anyway associated with anything black. Its just another word. Like asscan.

How can it be used when it is not associated with black people?

Da Hui wrote: Dune wrote: Da Hui wrote: Dune wrote: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: Well then we shouldn't call them black either. Also I looked up the video by Chris on racism. In the 2 min. I watched it, he said the n word some 30 to 40 odd times. Then they panned the audience and it was full of black people who were laughing histarically. So why do they not care if Chris says it but then get so upset when dog says it. What exactly have you been taught about that word? Is it thrown around generally in your household? WE say it all the time in my house. But over 95% it isn't in anyway associated with anything black. Its just another word. Like asscan. How can it be used when it is not associated with black people? Its just another word. It all started when we began watching Chapels show..

It's not just another word. There is pretty much just one meaning for it, but if you don't feel responsible for acknowleding it, go right ahead into the inner city and shout it out loud since if you're proud.

Next you're going to tell me your best friend is black and he gave you permission to say it.

What? Are you serious or are you just out of actual arguments for why a couple of white kids get to say a derogatory racial slur? I'm saying that by going into the city around black people and shouting one of the worst insults at them would get you hurt, as it should. This is ignorance to a whole new level.

Them not wanting to be called that is not them trying to say they aren't black. The fact that you think those words go hand in hand is scary and definitely racist. It is not a word that should be used to describe them, period.

These excuses are wonderful.

Da Hui wrote: So, according to you, Black people are violent and dangerous.

Are you purposely not reading or just looking to get out of a debate you can't win? I'm saying that by shouting a racial slur at them you should get beat up. I said nothing about criminals just that you'd be an idiot to believe that word would be alright coming from your mouth in the inner city.

xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: Dune wrote: What? Are you serious or are you just out of actual arguments for why a couple of white kids get to say a derogatory racial slur? I'm saying that by going into the city around black people and shouting one of the worst insults at them would get you hurt, as it should. This is ignorance to a whole new level. Them not wanting to be called that is not them trying to say they aren't black. The fact that you think those words go hand in hand is scary and definitely racist. It is not a word that should be used to describe them, period. In that case you have just contradicted your self. Because this entire thread you have described the word as a word that does in fact refer to black society.

It refers to them in a derogatory manner, not as black people in general. It is not the same as calling someone a black person. So them not wanting to be called that word is them not wanting to be insulted. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff?

Da Hui wrote: Dune wrote: Da Hui wrote: So, according to you, Black people are violent and dangerous. Are you purposely not reading or just looking to get out of a debate you can't win? I'm saying that by shouting a racial slur at them you should get beat up. I said nothing about criminals just that you'd be an idiot to believe that word would be alright coming from your mouth in the inner city. So you are now advocating violence because of ignorance? Are you illiterate or did you just not read where I said that 95% of the time when I use it I am not using it as a racial slur.

Well if you were blind enough to shout a racial slur at someone thinking "it's just a word," I wouldn't protect you. What's worse is that you actually believe that when you say it that it's okay because "that's not how you meant it."

usafpilot07 wrote: While I do think the situation is often blown out of proportion, it is hard to even become a part of the discussion when Kickin and Da Hui are failing to make useful points.

I'll agree that this situation is probably either taken out of context or blown out of proportion. But apparantly that's not where this discussion was taken.

xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: Dune wrote: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote: Dune wrote: What? Are you serious or are you just out of actual arguments for why a couple of white kids get to say a derogatory racial slur? I'm saying that by going into the city around black people and shouting one of the worst insults at them would get you hurt, as it should. This is ignorance to a whole new level. Them not wanting to be called that is not them trying to say they aren't black. The fact that you think those words go hand in hand is scary and definitely racist. It is not a word that should be used to describe them, period. In that case you have just contradicted your self. Because this entire thread you have described the word as a word that does in fact refer to black society. It refers to them in a derogatory manner, not as black people in general. It is not the same as calling someone a black person. So them not wanting to be called that word is them not wanting to be insulted. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff? So if it refers to them in a derogatory manner, than why can't you reffer to other peolle with the word. the word is meant to be an insult, not a complament.

Yes, it's meant to be an insult, to a particular group of people. That's why it can't be separated. What's difficult about this?

jmac3 wrote: So if someone walked into the North end of Boston and started calling people Guineas should they expect to get beat up?

Possibly. How racial is that area? How much history surrounds that word and it's usage? How often is that word involved in a controvery in public view? It's still wrong to say it, but the reaction could differ because of a number of differences.

Da Hui wrote: jmac3 wrote: So if someone walked into the North end of Boston and started calling people Guineas should they expect to get beat up? Yes. And Dune will not protect them.

If someone is that ignorant to believe that some words are only words, or that they want to be allowed to use a word too, they need an education.

Da Hui wrote: Dune, have you heard what exactly Dog said?

Bits and pieces, and as I have noted the discussion hasn't been about what was said, it has been about the word itself.

jmac3 wrote: Dune wrote: Da Hui wrote: Dune, have you heard what exactly Dog said? Bits and pieces, and as I have noted the discussion hasn't been about what was said, it has been about the word itself. Therein lies the problem.

The discussion I have taken part in has always been about the word itself.

If the word is as serious as people make it sound, and I know this has been presented, but I still don't understand the premise, then why can black people say it? If it's so controversial, how do they earn the right to use it freely? As has been stated, the US has payed for its mistakes.

Now, I'm not saying that makes the word okay. Quite the opposite actually. The word should be just as inappropriate regardless of who uses it. But I know full well it isn't gonna happen. It's a bit hypocritical, if you ask me.

It's just a word. Words aren't a reflection of character, they're a reflection of mood.

My problem with the whole "N" word debate is-

A:) The media censorship. You can throw out the "F" word on TV and they censor you. You throw out the "N" word, you're censored and fired. I'm sorry, but isn't most of American culture offensive? Most of what I (and most of you if you admit it) find funny is offensive. I'm a huge South Park fan, I love watching Chris Rock, I find most offensive humor pretty funny. The problem is that now we have one group of people that can't be offended. Why not make racist jokes? Some racist jokes are funny.

B:) You can't make a character judgement off of one freakin word. LIEK OMG HE SAID <n-word> HE MUST BE RACIST. I'll say it out loud right now, but I still have black friends, and am the least racist person you'll ever meet. I have absolutely no problem with any race-I have an Asian sister, and really good hispanic and black friends. But I also find racist jokes funny. It's kind of a shame that our culture can't comprehend that anymore. Now you're judged by single momentary outbursts, instead of a lifetime of acts that say otherwise.

C:) The more we focus on stupid crap like this, the more real race related issues just continue to be swept under the rug. Poverty, education, meh, screw it. Let's go after rich white guys who use the "N" word. That's the REAL problem.

D:) Nobody gives a goddamn. Seriously. If you lose sleep at night because this guy might be a racist (but none of us really know, right?), you're a moron. A total moron.

tippmannfreak wrote: rediculous.

One of my pet peeves.

usafpilot07 wrote: While I do think the situation is often blown out of proportion, it is hard to even become a part of the discussion when Kickin and Da Hui are failing to make useful points.

I disagree - they are making plenty of useful points.  Just not quite in the way they think.

I would not call that many people on here racist, just extremely ignorant without the motivation to gain a better understanding of the situation.

The only thing I want to know is why do all you white teens on this forum wish to say the word? You exhibit an attitude like you are entitled to do what you want. By law, you can say the word. You can say it anywhere to anyone, at any time. But logic and reason would advise you not to say it to or around someone who may take offense to it.

Do I say the word? Yes, but only in jest and certainly not around anyone I know would be offended. What really gives the word its power? Reactions. Somebody may truly take offense or they may just act that way. My final question, what is it to you if you say it and someone is actually pissed or just pretending to be?

usafpilot07 wrote: Susan Storm wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: While I do think the situation is often blown out of proportion, it is hard to even become a part of the discussion when Kickin and Da Hui are failing to make useful points.     I disagree - they are making plenty of useful points.  Just not quite in the way they think. Only if by that,you mean supporting the opposite side they appear to be, through reverse psychology.

Just not intentionally.  Their very attempts at justifying their usage of this word are themselves compelling arguments against its usage.

It is at this point I should like to reiterate the point me, Snake and others have said.

NO ONE should be able to use this word. To be quite honest, I don't give a flying rat's behind if anyone says it or not, it's just the double standard it presents is irritating. Get rid of it, or allow it to be common place. If I hear a black guy call his black friend "that," and I walk up and say something along the lines of "You shouldn't use that term, it's insulting and bad," I'd get some odd looks. Repeat the scenario with a white guy, and everyone's on my side, with pitchforks and torches.

I hate that. A lot.

Now that you mention it, I asked one of black friends how he felt about the term "African American", he said it pissed him off because he's actually from Jamaica. He said for him, it pretty much throws him into a classification and heritage that he doesn't have. He'd rather be called black.

So in your face political correctness.

JohnnyCanuck wrote: Whoever insinuated that everyone says the n word, think again...seriously.  Just because you and everyone you hang out with says it doesn't mean everyone else does. I've never said it, and I was brought up that it was a deragotory term and I could really care less that chris rock or whoever uses it like any other word.  It has been and always will be a derogatory word.  If African Americans choose to call themselves that, good for them, I can't think how it would be taken in a positive way if I said it.  I think it's about respect -  I choose to leave it out of my vocabulary.

It's only derogatory if white people use it. That's what makes no sense. Example, in my high-school days in gym, there's a group of black kids, referring to each other with "that word" quite often. A few minutes later a white kid I know quoted someone who said it (it applied to the conversation) and the black kids got all mad. The kid meant nothing by it and was quoting someone else. Not to mention the black kids were using it every other sentence.

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