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Topic: Lesson In Politics.
Posted By: Horsepower
Subject: Lesson In Politics.
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:48pm
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Just read this and had a chuckle. A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, but her father was a staunch Republican. One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to high taxes and welfare programs. He stopped her and asked how she was doing in school. She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA, but it was really tough. She had to study all the time and never had time to go out and party. She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. On top of that, the part-time job her father insisted she keep left absolutely no time for anything else. He asked, 'How is your friend Mary?' She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, didn't have a job, and went to all the parties. She was always complaining about not having any money, but didn't want to work. Why, she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over. Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a respectable 3.0 GPA. Then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke. The daughter angrily fired back, 'That wouldn't be fair. I worked really hard for my grades and money, and Mary just loafs. Why should her laziness and irresponsibility be rewarded with half of what I've worked for?' The father slowly smiled and said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party'." ------------- 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:51pm
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/waits for flaming.
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:55pm
Left or Right wing you have to admit it's kind of funny. -------------
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Da Hui wrote:Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:01pm
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Actually thats about right.
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:04pm
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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:05pm
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i lol'd nice find man ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:58pm
Nah. Oversimplification is hardly a laughing matter. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 8:45pm
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It's cute, but hardly the truth. Probably comes from the same people that think everyone without health insurance just doesn't want to pay for it. |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 8:46pm
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 8:49pm
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I got a chuckle out of it.
------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 8:56pm
I expected BB to say it. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 3:17am
Also, not very funny. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:27am
| You got as chuckle out of me. Oversimplified or not, its still funny. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:38am
Agreed. ------------- 
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Posted By: TheSpookyKids87
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:41am
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:51am
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I saw it coming a mile away.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:59am
I guess if you agree with the justification it's easier to find humor in it. I can see the humor, and appreciate the attempt, but I've heard funnier jokes like that one. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:27am
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tl;dr
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 12:15pm
You are the definition of lazy, Just read like....The last few lines. -------------
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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 12:21pm
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I was half expecting something along the lines of "Liberals want to take our guns, but we won't let them! We have a constitutional right. Morans." However, upon opening the thread I was sadly disappointed. ------------- PlentifulBalls "It's cool, I'll be dead before I'm not pretty." Gatyr "Stupid things exist." 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 6:43pm
No. Pardon me if I'm too busy looking for a house this week and can't read your FWD:FWD:FWD: republican jokes. -------------
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 7:15pm
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 7:37pm
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Too simplified, I forgot you need a complex problem and or crisis to solve, for your average liberal to understand social engineering. Basically the example given is exactly the equation of wealth redistibution that the Democratic Party is trying to enact on you the American People. Punish success, reward mediocrity. "Your Freedoms to do as you wish must be balanced with my freedom to be free of the responsibility of your willing actions"
Only when those here enter the real world of family, job, taxes and government interference in thier lives will the lesson make sense. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 8:54pm
So you like it simple, eh? That's a good platform to stand on then. Let the wealthy get wealthier while the poor get poorer. With that platform; if we don't help the lower classes, they wont get anywhere. i.e. bad for society. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:59pm
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My question is "How many poor people have offered you a job?"
What is a lower "class" in America. Is there not a pattern of behavior that has lead to this lower "class". Research the "New Deal" and "Great Society" and tell me what has lead to the creation of the current dependant "class". A class of dependant individuals who believe it is thier "right" to be an equal without the effort is not deserving of assistance. Pure economics, you put effort into something you will become more wealthy through that effort. When you choose a lifestyle where "healthcare" for example is secondary to your material wants and needs, how did it now become my responsibility to provide healthcare for you as well as myself and family? Socialism only works when the socialist has the wealth of the capitalist to steal from, once their is no more capitalists to steal from the society fails. Great example is Soviet Union, Venezuela is right behind with the capitalists fleeing with thier money before it is confiscated, once their is no more to capital for Chavez to steal, his society will fail also. Yes we can call it Social Darwinism...........Europe has begun to figure it out slowly, that socialism/communism does not work, now for some reason America wants to cross into that failed world of "social equality", when the human animal is still in charge, will not work....again. Polititians make laws/policies only for you, they have no intention of being in your "class" and having these laws/policies apply to them. Once the attack on CEO's is also directed at the Hollywood elite will I give any credit for this social change. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:01pm
OP, copy pasta this into the original post. lulztastic. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 10 November 2007 at 11:29pm
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lol @ parties ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 1:24am
I'm telling you guys! Zombie T. Roosevelt in '08! The best choice for ALL parties  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 2:26am
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Fixed. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 9:21am
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We should just disband political parties. Or vote libertarian.
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 9:35am
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The poor class is poor because they suck at life. If they had actually tried they could of gotten somewhere besides a trailer park sitting on a couch waiting for the check to come.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 10:10am
Right... Something tells me you haven't even taken economics yet. -------------
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 10:15am
The majority of people on welfare are lazy bums. I am for people who have lost their job and are trying to find a new one. But too many times I have people mooch off the system. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 10:21am
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How many people do you know personally who are on welfare?
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 10:31am
I had known quite a few, and the way they did things is what turned me off of welfare. The one got so bad she was having more kids to get more money, eventually went on social and then had more kids. Almost died from her last one. -------------
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 11:51am
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Giving money to the poor doesn't help the economy, it takes it down. Socialism proposes that a tax is given to go to those who can't afford some basic luxuries such as Health Care. But giving them this doesn't help them improve their social state, it just gives them health care. The best way to help the poor out is to provide them opportunity via free schooling. Handouts aren't going to help them, but teaching them to succeed might. Now, the idea is that if the successful give a portion of their money to the poor, eventually the poor might stop being poor, but then the rich stop becoming rich too. And with everyone equal, making the same basic amount of money, in pretty much the same class, there is no motivation to be successful. Because if you do make large profits, a portion goes to the poorer anyway, and if you poor you don't need to do well because all will be provided.
I enjoy capitalism, I don't care if there are poor people, they have the chance to improve. Don't blame your socio-economic status if you're poor, go out, go to school, and start making a decent wage. Don't ask for handouts from people who did make something of themselves. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 11:55am
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Didn't you know that everyone on welfare is just lazy? I mean, come on. The American Dream is completely real. I can't even keep a straight face saying that. |
Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 11:59am
I never said everyone -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 12:10pm
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That's the problem trying to back conservative threads on this forum, someone always comes up with a completely random, made up fact and tries to make an issue out of it. I'll be the first to say that there are way too many people receiving way too many forms of government assistance in this country. I'll take that a step further and say that it's way too easy to receive government assistance, and much harder to actually pull yourself out of the lower class bracket. But to say that the majority of people on welfare are lazy bums begs alot of questions- A:) Numbers, statistics, please. And no, "I know X amount of people on welfare" doesn't work as a statistic. Knowing a hooker doesn't make you a pimp. B:) I'm assuming you realize there are many forms of government assistance, so the term "welfare" is a little general. C:) If there were facts to back this statement up, we would be able to clean up the welfare system. Again, I'm as conservative as anyone on this forum, but your idealogy needs to be matched with fact, not opinion. It's just as bad as the left-wing "I hate bush but I'm not sure why" logic you see out there. America needs to be educated. ------------- 
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 12:51pm
I hear what your saying. I guess I was kind of getting at the fact that it's to easy to get assistance without really doing anything. For example. My aunt who has two kids (one in the ARMY) still lives with her mom. In her late 30's. BUT, she works 3-4 jobs, she is ALWAYS working. And she will NOT go on welfare or anything of that sort. Yes some people do need the help and may not be ale to work. But so many people are able to pick up another job or two and they don't. And that angers me. -------------
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 2:26pm
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 5:52pm
I laught aloud. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 6:13pm
K, now the thread is worth laughing at. I'll agree that there are to many people taking advantage of the system (NOTE: too many equates to 1 or more), and that there needs to be some reform so that there is more incentive to get off of welfare, but lumping everyone into that same moronic "lazy" category is silly. Besides, I'd really rather not support the abolition of something that could potentially result in any one person dieing of hunger or exposure because they can't afford food or shelter, regardless of how people that are making enough money to own a computer and afford an education feel aboutthese social programs.
Can I ask where you are getting "equal" from? I've never known anyone depending on governmental assistance to be somewhere near "equal" to the average living standard or income of lower-middle class citizens/families. OS, aren't you receiving money from the government yourself? I know for a fact you did at one point. Are you opposed to people too poor to pay for food, clothing, or housing getting money but are all for disability payments that, when totaled up, equates to a $50,000 a year job as well as someone else paying for your college tuition (if I remember correctly)? -------------
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 6:17pm
The people who kept having kids for more money, they went and bought an EXPENSIVE HUGE pool table that took up their living room and put it in the house, you could barley get around it. They spend all the money on material things, computer, pool table, gaming systems etc. They have little food, it's all nasty junk, one of their sons was about 140 lbs by age 7. They state needs to come and take those kids before they die. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 6:26pm
I assume both of you have purchased houses at age 19? If so you obviously understand how it is and when someone has free time to surf an internet forum. -------------
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 11:46pm
I actually did some reserach on this last time this subject came up. So unlike you who is going off shooting off at the mouth, maybee you should make sure your mind is loaded. a- Most states only give you credit for 2 kids. The whole Baby Factory is just a Myth. So where you have or 20 kids the help is the same the only diference is that you might qualify for more WIC vouchers. b- Your concentrating on the extreme 25% that ride the system. I know plenty of them and I seen this first hand. But for one cheater that you have you have 6 plus people that need aid. I knew more Marines on Food Stamps and other Goverment aid because as a non NCO is almost imposible to raise a Family. c- If your trying to present a Point. Dont go at with half cocked facts or just made up facts that you hear from your Uncle Earl at the Tractor Pulls. As Strato Axe pointed you only hurt your cause. Gatyr, OS is the King of the kettle calling the pot black. No point in bringing out his stories they eventually contradict themselves. It's ok for him to milk the system Disability, Retirement Pay, Work Part Time and every lil way he can squeeze a penny out the goverment but god forbid some single mother needs formula for her kid. Now The main thing people tend to forget that the Welfare isnt for the parents, its mostly for the kids. While the system is full of flaws there has been no effort really in our body of goverment to bring this under control. One Party recomends drastic cuts while the other wants to hand them out like bisquits at the dinner table. Wich brings us to a more Important Question... If our representatives in the Senate and Congress arent being held accountable and arent doing the nation much godo why do they keep getting reelected. Everyone is so ready to Impeach the President but i havent heard one bit about these incompenet Congress we have now. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 11 November 2007 at 11:51pm
That made little to no sense. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 12:00am
Politics is to blame (ha, imagine that). As a matter of fact, I know for a fact that the political selection process in Texas was intentionally designed so that the average uneducated person would not be able to follow the process. Reason number 481 I hate this state's politics. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 12:02am
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I'm not sure I understnd what you mean-? -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 12:08am
What don't you understand? I wrote it as straight forward as I could. The wealthy and educated political and social elites of the state thought it would be best for them to make the nomination and selection process so complicated that the average person's only way in voicing their opinion was during the general election, well after all of the important decision making was done. (primaries were more important because Texas has almost always been a one party state, which means the primaries [the election that bubba knew nothing about] was where the important campaigning was done) -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 12:14am
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So people should get educated-? I don't really see where ignorance is an excuse. Not arguing with your point, I see what you mean, but on the flip side, don't think you can blame state politics for ignorance of the election process. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 12:46am
I haven't been properly taught the entire process, as it is supposedly above Govt. 2301 students, but in essence, you effectively need to be part of the campaign for your vote to count in precinct caucuses. I'm trying to remember the correct terms for the selection and voting, but none of it is coming to mind, and it's not part of our course supplement or book, so I'm of no use in explaining what I mean. But I agree, ignorance is no excuse. Texas is full of stupid (meaning people that don't have a college education, our state is well behind the national average) people, though, so it works. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 1:10am
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Agreed completely, this state has the dumbest people in it. No offense to anyone who lives in one, nothing wrong with them, but you have to understand where I'm coming from-you've got your honestly poor here, and then there's the trailer park refugess who choose to spend the rest of their lives smoking pot and watching football, living off of government asisstance. Not making a point by that at all, just an observation. This has got to be the most ambitionless state out there, seriously. Education is fairly easy to come by here, there are a ton of programs out there, but even the high school grads seem to be idiots. You'd be surprised how many people around here are idiots. It's crazy. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 3:01am
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I think it's that way everywhere Stratoaxe. My town is a bunch of fricking morons. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 3:06am
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It's true. Society is dumbing down rapidly, yet this generation feels so superior. Ironic. -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 8:25am
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This thread is an instant classic. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 11:15am
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Remember that fully half the people you meet are stupider than average. Keep that in mind, and suddenly all becomes clear. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 5:52pm
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They dont have Internets in Tejas? Your telling the average Texan cant Google and the local news and papers are done in Gaelic or some other long forgotten language?
I am sorry but I dont see how now days with the Information Age an average of 3 local tv stations per city. You can claim that you dont understand the issues your candidates are pushing forth. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 5:57pm
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It is my firm opinion poor people taste really good in stews.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 12 November 2007 at 7:29pm
Again, it's not that simple, and if I were able to competently describe the process the way it was described to me, you would probably agree. This is only for the primaries and precinct caucuses and whatnot. General election are pretty fairly straightforward. -------------
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