60 Years in Prison for 13-Year-Old Rapist
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Topic: 60 Years in Prison for 13-Year-Old Rapist
Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Subject: 60 Years in Prison for 13-Year-Old Rapist
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:18pm
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http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=134296&GID=h58LGKEacR17BvXTrciovQDW8qcGRMbOFr1OEk5XgRs%3D - Linky
Sucks for him. Tried as an adult (as he probably should have been) and he won't be out until he's about 75 years old. I imagine he'll be the youngest inmate in whichever prison he is sent to. ------------- 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:19pm
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Not gonna lie, that's wicked retarded.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:20pm
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FAAAAR to much
Terrible sentence, what the hell was the judge thinking? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:25pm
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It's because hes black.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:29pm
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What the hell. It's obvious this kid didn't truly comprehend what would happen if he did this. 60 years is way to much. And why should a 6 year old have any say in the sentence? This is ridiculous. ------------- 
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Posted By: GhilleMan
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:42pm
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how do you get charged with sodomy and attempted sodomy?
and ya, 15 years sure, 60 thats a bit much for someone who very obviously needs help. ------------- Smart Parts, Stupid People... Go figure Shoot To Thrill on stockclass, mcarter, and the dreadful pbn Carter Mini Comp, Carter Tricar, PPS Blazer |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:44pm
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DEATH PENALTY
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:00am
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Seems way to harsh for a 13 year old. And the baby sitter was an idiot. Who drops off a 6 year old outside of a house and doesnt make sure they get inside safely? -------------  |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:52am
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isn't there like... real rapists getting away with this stuff for a far lesser penalty?
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:52am
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Among the most outrageous things I've ever seen. How can he be tried as an adult, he's 13.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:54am
Actually, no, he won't be. No matter HOW LONG you are sent to prison for, you cannot actually GO to prison until you are of adult age. They wont send a 15 y/o to room with child rapist... He'll be at a juve facility until he is old enough. ------------- 
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:59am
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he just threw his life away.
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:13am
Oh yeah, that sounds right. And I take it those years he spends in Juve will be deducted from his sentence? -------------
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:15am
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he'll still be in prison when he's 18. Funny how karma works.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:19am
Of course, it's still time served. And most likely the time he spent in jail during the trial will be deducted as well. Keep in mind though that on average, an offender only spends 60-70% of their time actually behind bars, if they act right. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:21am
That it's not nice to kidnap, beat and rape six year olds? ------------- 
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:37am
did they even test the child for isanity? i'm sure he wasn't loved as a child. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 2:17am
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Kind of what I was thinking... Horrible crime deserves a horrible sentence, but at 13 you can be changed, whether we want to accept that or not. Prison is supposed to punish and change people. He likely has the ability to be changed... But that's our country. There are men out there who have committed the same crime and are now driving school buses... ------------- 
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Posted By: thebuickguy
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 4:45am
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fry him
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:26am
Yes. Our Judicial system is becoming more and more of joke each day. A 13 year old being tried as an adult? Thats like trying a 22 year old as a minor. ------------- 
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 9:14am
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This was real rape, and the boy is a real rapist.
And I'm fresh out of sympathy for the then 13 year old. You'd have a hard time convincing me he didn't know what he was doing. In a poetic sense I like that the judge kind of put him at the mercy, in his turn, of the little girl he assaulted, giving him the sentence length that she suggested. A 60 year smack in the face for assaulting a helpless girl. ------------- 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 9:36am
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Reif nobody is denying the fact this kid is a rapist, its the fact that a 13 year old is being tried as an adult. Did the kid know what he was doing: yes Is what he did incredibly messed up: yes Should he stand trail as an adult: no -------------
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 9:50am
That's why I said he was a real rapist. The insinuation is there that this kid isn't. But yes, plenty of rapists get much, much less time. And if he's not tried as an adult then don't they have to let him go when he's 18? In three more years, now. I find myself siding with the argument that this was an adult thing to do, and in so doing, he made an adult decision with adult consequences. They should have struck a far more balanced sentence than the one he got. I agree with that part. (But it is poetic in the turnaround of his victimization of the girl.) -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:53am
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This whole idea of trying children as adults because of the severity of the crime doesn't sit right with me. Either we have a juvenile system or we don't. I don't see how it can be an elective process. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Slap Shot
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 11:37am
Actually I don't think thats true. We were watching a movie in my Juvenile Delinquency Class about youths in the system, and they showed a couple of under 18 youths in prisons. ------------- 
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 12:55pm
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Maybe this'll set the bar for crimes like this.
Maybe rapists should get sentences that see they're lives taken away. Maybe tougher penalties on all things considered major crimes should go up. If you robbed a bank knowing you'd only go to jail for 10 years doesn't deter you, what about 50 years in prison. The prison system is already crowded.....but deterrent on longer sentences could diminish the numbers. 13 or 18, it takes a concious decision to rape, which is a crime against humanity. even if the kid were 10 and I were the judge, he'd only be out of jail long enough to want to kill himself. Rehabilitation doesn't atone for the lives ruined. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:09pm
Either you're mistaken or whatever state you're in is stupid. You don't put a juvenile, not matter the crime, in the same place as an adult offender. I just went to Gatesville State Prison the other week and I'm going by exactly what the warden explain to us, and how it is the norm. That is EXACTLY why they have a juvenile system. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 3:24pm
Any 13 year old that rapes a 6 year old is obviously not in a proper state of mine. He should not have been tried as an adult. If he had killed her, I'm sure he would have gotten less than 60 years. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 4:27pm
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I think the kid needs help instead of 60 years in prison. Punishing a kid as an adult doesn't sit right with me either. 13 is pretty young, and idk...this case just doesn't seem right.
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 5:43pm
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I'd hate to play the opposite, but I see no problem with it. 60 years, perhaps, entirely too long given the cirucumstances.
But... The girl will end up suffering just as much, if not more, over the course of her life. It has been proven many times over that early age sexual abuse has the worst of rammifications.
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 6:38pm
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I think people don't realize what kids know at 13, I knew everything at 13, I was around a lot of older and bad people, So hearing the talk and what not was not unusual. I feel bad for the kids I see at school who are 16+ and still don't know what half the stuff is when people call them a name or make a reference.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:38pm
You hardly know anything of importance now. I kind of doubt you were able to grasp concepts as well as an adult at the age of 13. I stand by my view that 60 years is too much, and that allowing the girl to decide was stupid. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:43pm
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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 8:21pm
At 13, I knew everything about that kind of stuff. Kids know a lot more than people think. But I will say letting the girl choose was just stupid. Where did she come up with 60 years from ? 15 years sounds good to me. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 8:35pm
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I maintain that he would have gotten much, much less time if he had killed her.
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Posted By: scrumsguy
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 8:52pm
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In canada hed get like 5 years + comunity service ------------- Help support the Youth In Asia! Member Of Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band |
Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 8:56pm
So are you proud rapist get off easy ? It sounds that way. -------------
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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 12:10am
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I dont think that was his intention. I think 60 years is way too much and getting the girl to decide was stupid. ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 12:16am
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No, he was pointing out a difference in our penal systems. I'd be surprised if he didn't think that 5 + service is too lenient. Stop provoking, you suck at it. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 12:21am
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Like Rambino said, we have a juvenile system for a reason. Either use it for all underage criminals, or none. It shouldn't be cherry picked because of severity.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 12:35am
My youngest kid is 13 years old. I have seen the way they are and most arent the same 13 year olds we where dude. Try reading a 13 year old's MySpace or listen in how they talk in the school hallways. Maybee that just in the inner city. But while that 13 year old rapist is going to spend most of his life in jail. That 6 year is going to carry that untill the day she dies. ------------- 
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 12:35am
Just like the M'Naughten rule decides insanity, it should also decide ability to be charged as an adult. He knew what he was doing was wrong. -------------
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Posted By: thebuickguy
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 6:43am
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dang liberal left wingers the kid raped someone that is incredibly younger then him and also this kid will never be the same she will never have a real childhood now because of this memory in her head. the little punk gets everything he deserves.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 11:00am
The last line says it all. If the system had a hard an fast, black and white, rule delineating the difference between adults and juveniles it would bring its own set of problems:
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 11:45am
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That is way too harsh, he needs help, not jail until he's 75.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 11:48am
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Why even have a criminal justice system?
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 6:36pm
Heh, wow how opinions change with age group. I posted this on a forum with mostly 40/50 year olds, some 30 and younger. Some responses:
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 6:43pm
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Personally, I'm glad he got 60 years.
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 7:24pm
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anyone who agrees with this sentence is a moron...simply stated. this might be the biggest pile of BS I've read about the judicial system in some time.
also, a 6 year old has absolutely NO concept of what 10 years is let alone 60! How ridiculous. ------------- 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 7:31pm
And I completely agree with you justin. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 7:49pm
Because calling someone an animal is being racist? No, I'm not going to mention what type of forum it is, because all of you already know. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 8:00pm
SURE they do.... longer then themselves! -------------
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 8:18pm
i'm not spewing crap, but I don't feel like sitting on this forum on a saturday night...but i'll get back to it at some point. Linus, I think it should be obvious enough. You're just balls deep in system and can't see anything else. And to the second part, your little pun doesn't negate what I said...in fact it basically illustrates my point... -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 8:24pm
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Actually, it wasn't a pun, it's a joke.
And how am I balls deep in the system? I'm not a Correction Officer. I'm not a Peace Officer. I don't work for ANY DCJ office. Why wait, you're already on the forum on a Saturday night. Oh I know... you CAN'T back up what you say, so you'll probably just evade the topic all together. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 10:29pm
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 11:21pm
Answered in blue ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 12:45pm
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Answered back in green. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 12:54pm
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Hmm... I agree with Mack on this.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 5:38pm
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 6:28pm
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 7:40pm
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 7:56pm
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I honestly tried to asnwer this, but the thought just sickens me too much to even entertain the discussion. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 8:31pm
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 8:33pm
They're terrible on sexual offenders in jail. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 8:35pm
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 8:37pm
| rape should be death penalty in my opinion. so 60 years isnt enough to me. i dont care how old he is. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 8:39pm
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 8:40pm
So you think rape is worse than killing someone? I'll even take that a step further and say that you think rape is worse than killing a 13 year old kid. Wow. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 10:12pm
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He never said it's worse, and he never said it's the same. He just said that it should be a capital offense. -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 10:17pm
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linus i appreciate you sticking up for me. but to me. rape is as bad as it gets in a way, like, i will say torture tops my list of bad stuff.
but rape is horrible to me. that person needs to live with it for the rest of their lives. not fair. at least to me, if someone is murdered, they dont deal with it forever. i think i'd say,torture worse, then rape, then murder. and they are all like a .1 difference in horribleness. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 11:20pm
Regarding this, and the previous question about how the perpetrator gets charged both with sodomy and attempted sodomy: In many states the term "sodomy" is also used to refer to oral copulation as well as what most of you are assuming/joking about. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 11:28pm
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Rape isn't worse than murder. Our inflated sense of justice tells us this. Child molestors are the scum of the earth. I'd be happy if they were all taken out and castrated with rubber bands and butter knives. However, that's not how society works. The point of the legal system should be not only to punish, but rehabilitate. A 13 year old can still change, even if what he did was heinous and disgusting. The justice system isn't there to appease our sense of justice, it's there to punish and prevent crime. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:02am
Yeah, let's spend every dime our country takes in from taxes to lock up all these people for their whole lives... I agree that the kid should be punished, but 60 years? I'm fairly certain that many murderers are elegible for parole before the 51 years for this kid. And those are grown men who fully comprehend the consequences and repercussions of their actions. I'm fairly certain that has to fall under some kind of Constitutional protection; maybe cruel and unusual punishments? ------------- 
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:18am
I'll back up his point for him. The Justice System is in place to ensure justice and equality, correct? Alright... So this kid gets charged as an adult (which is BS anyway, but that's a whole different point). What would your average rapist get if he raped a person that was not a minor? 40 years, maybe? With possibility of parole before that. So this KID, who's being charged in the adult system (again, BS) is also sentenced more harshly than most ADULT offenders, who are supposed to be punished in this system? And you're telling me that this even vaguely represents fairness or equality? I'll bet this gets turned over in a higher court or something (If sentences can be overturned?). -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:33am
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I would say that a good criminal justice system has to be a combination of both rehabilitation and punishment, just as it is now. The proper way for the justice system to avenge a victim is not just to punish the criminal, but to do justice to society and turn him/her back into a productive citizen. Harsh sentences don't do much to deter the passionate, otherwise there would be few killings if any in this country. The kid must have had some problems out of his control when this happened. Even with sexual urges, I doubt the idea of abducting and raping a girl was within the grasp of a kid his age, unless there was some external force that made it seem ok for him. It parallels gang mentality, in that people with such mindsets often glorify anti-social behavior and justify it to anyone who's willing to listen... including young teens in their circles. Regardless, a kid his age can be changed. A 60 year sentence is not only cruel and unusual in this case, but it will also waste a ton of taxpayer money. Instead, this kid needs some time in juvie for punishment, coupled with time with some professionals to rehabilitate him. Do it right, and the regret he will carry should ideally parallel the severity of the girl's lifelong memory of the trauma. ------------- 
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:46am
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My rational as it stands...
1. We have a juvi and adult systems for reasons. Under NO circumstance should a 13 year old be tried as an adult. That is the bottom line. I don't care what you come back with, I don't care how heinous you think rape is (and it is indescribably heinous and despicable). A 13 year old boy is what we are talking about here. He needs help the penitentiary system will NOT provide him with. 2. As I stated, a 6 year old has absolutely positively no concept of what a few years is. The fact that the judge used this in his sentencing would be laughable if it wasn't such a disgrace. He obviously let his emotion on the subject grab a hold of his better judgment....if h e has any. 3. yes, I feel awful for the little girl. someone should never EVER have to go through what she went through. but she did, and she'll probably be a little tweaked from it. However she was very young, and there is a good chance she won't remember fine details once she is older. The others who mentioned other rapists and even murders who have gotten off with much less of sentences are right, that does happen. 60 years is ridiculous, most of us on this forum can't even concieve 60 years... To Linus, it just seemed as though you were so blinded by your own biases (because of your career choice) that you were ready to drop all logic and rational thinking because this is such an emotional issue. -------------
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:48am
exactly -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:48am
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There's nothing wrong with having a human sense of revenge, unfortunately that can't carry over to the justice system. The justice system is about punishment and rehabilitation, not emotional appeasement. -------------
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 12:51am
what? just because the person who was murdered is no longer alive doesn't mean everyone else that person touched (especially family) doesn't feel the pain for the rest of their lives. -------------
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:08pm
I completely agree with this line of thinking. But rape is at the top, because no one deserves to be raped....but there are some people out there who deserve to be murdered or tortured. Let's reverse things. If one of you people who think this is too stiff a penalty were kidnapped, beaten, then raped....and you had the chance to give a sentence....what would you do? Would you want that person to get a measley 5-10 years and be off to live a happy little life while you have lived through that? I'd like to see some real answers on this. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:16pm
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I would say that this crime MUST carry a much lesser penalty than murder. Otherwise we would be creating adverse incentives. Why would any kidnapper/rapist ever NOT kill their victim if the punishment would be the same? The judicial system is not there for petty revenge, but to improve society. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:22pm
Rambino, as an attorney you do not get to give us your opinion on what the judicial system is for. (All of us already know that you really think it's for your own personal enrichment anyway. -------------
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 4:01pm
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Personal enrichment? I went to law school just so I could get out of speeding tickets. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 4:04pm
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That's why I'm going to the academy... -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 5:17pm
Well, at least you admit it. -------------
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