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Topic: ISP Policy Opinions

Posted By: Snake6
Subject: ISP Policy Opinions
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 1:24pm

So I emailed my ISP yesterday, and got a lenghty email back. Frankly, I am pretty pissed off and I want to know ya'lls opinions on the issue.

I sent them this:

Email wrote:

Good Afternoon Sir or Mamm,

My name is LCpl***********, and I am the Assistant to the *************************t Officer at the Marine Corps Detachment Fort Leonard Wood. I would like to have the following ports opened on your switch in Building*******so that way I can receive the full benfit of the service that I pay for. If you have any questions please feel free to reply to this email or call me on my cell phone. ***********TCP Ports:

6667 - IRC
7000 - IRC
23 - Telnet
21 - FTP
3074- Xbox Live
11124 - Skype
443 - It says that this port is filtered/closed in any port scan I run, I can get to https:// sites, but I cannot use my tunneling client to get through to my box running SSH server back home.

UDP Ports:

88 - Xbox Live
3074 - Xbox Live

Thank you,

LCpl *****************
***************
***************
Fort Leonard Wood, Mo
****************

Here are some excerpts from thier reply:

TCP Ports:

6667 - IRC (Instant Relay Chat is primarily used for the transmission of copyrighted materials see http://www.jibble.org/irc-analysis/ but you can do a google search on “IRC used for illegal file sharing” & it should return about 482,000 references about it) (This port will remain closed)

7000 - IRC (Instant Relay Chat is primarily used for the transmission of copyrighted materials see http://www.jibble.org/irc-analysis/ but you can do a google search on “IRC used for illegal file sharing” & it should return about 482,000 references about it) (This port will remain closed)

I didn't realize IRC was a filiesharing system. Sounds like crap to but w/e.

11124 - Skype (I will quote Skype’s end user agreement & then expand on what it implies.)

Article 4 Utilization of Your computer

4.1 Utilization of Your computer. You hereby acknowledge that the Skype Software may utilize the processor and bandwidth of the computer (or other applicable device) You are utilizing, for the limited purpose of facilitating the communication between Skype Software users.

4.2 Protection of Your computer (resources). You understand that the Skype Software will use its commercially reasonable efforts to protect the privacy and integrity of the computer resources (or other applicable device) You are utilizing and of Your communication, however, You acknowledge and agree that Skype cannot give any warranties in this respect.

What this is saying is by installing Skype you are giving permission for others to process calls through your computer. Others includes countries & even terrorists. This itself would be enough to block this application but Skype has all the same properties a “Trojan” has except the end user is knowingly installing this virus

Terrorists are going to hack my computer with skype oh noez! I giggled at that one.

21 - FTP (FTP downloading is allowed however uploading is blocked because it has been abused by users sharing copyrighted material)

So the acts of a few idoits who cause an entire service to be closed ISP wide? ok...

I'm sorry to inform you that your port request cannot be approved at this time. This is due to the huge security risk it poses to our network as well as every guest at Ft. Leonard Wood. Most guests do not have adequate anti-virus/anti-highjack protection on their computers, so opening these ports on the firewall basically negates any protection provided for the guest and could likely result in massive infestation inside the network. Because of that fact we must configure the network for the protection of all the guests inside the network. These ports must remain closed for the safety of the users & the hardware used to supply internet access to your room.

Because we cannot control what software the guest in lodging elect to install we have to close all but the absolute necessary ports required for web browsing, email & VPN.

Most guests do not have adequate anti-virus/anti-highjack protection on their computers, so opening these ports on the firewall basically negates any protection provided for the guest and could likely result in massive infestation inside the network.

Since when is it the ISP's problem to protect their users from an outside attack? The last time I check, if you got hacked due to having insuffient security, it was because you were an idoit. Since when is it the ISP's place to tell people what they can and cannot do on the internet they pay for. If it illegal, report them but they have no right to block people who are doing legitimate buisness from continuing to do so.

I sent the ISP a reply. I'll post up what it says later.

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Replies:

Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 1:40pm

You send them a polite email asking them to do what you pay them for, and give them reason; they reply saying that you are going to illegally download music, have your computer hijacked by Bin Laden, and put everybody in your building in danger from viruses? Wow.

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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 1:41pm

If it were a non-military institution, wouldn't it be different?

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 1:47pm

Da Hui wrote:

You send them a polite email asking them to do what you pay them for, and give them reason; they reply saying that you are going to illegally download music, have your computer hijacked by Bin Laden, and put everybody in your building in danger from viruses? Wow.

Yeah, I was amazed.

This is what I sent back:

Can you set up port forwarding to a static IP that could be assigned to my computer alone, or place my computer in a virtual DMZ on a static IP? Neither of these methods can compromise network security to users other than myself (especially the DMZ as I would not even really be inside the network anymore) I am sure that my computer is equipped to deal with any attacks that might occur as my job is IT.

I do not plan on using any of these ports for illegal activity, if I was I would have just found another way to do this and not taken the time to contact you. Also as you pointed out in the first reply, you have every right to contact the authorities if I was to do something illegal. If the main concern is security, a DMZ would not put anyone but myself at risk as I would have no access to the internal network once the computer is placed there. If you would like I can give you server names and addresses that I need to access to on the IRC, FTP, and SSH ports to let you see that my business is legitimate. I pay monthly for broadband internet access and I am not getting the access I pay for. I would greatly appreciate if you would work with me here as a fellow IT specialist in helping me get the access I need.

Thank You,

LCpl ************

I wanna see what bullcrap they come up with do tell me I cannot be in the DMZ.

Mehs, if it wasn't a military installation and the only way I could have internet access I would have already given them the finger and gone to another ISP.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 2:22pm

No chance of switching ISP's?

Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 2:45pm

Not to sound mean or anything, but you are not there to play Xbox live.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 2:57pm

Horsepower wrote:

Not to sound mean or anything, but you are not there to play Xbox live.

Actually they are. Little did you know, the entire iraq occupation is taking place on Live. It's all just simulated. He's being left behind.

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:04pm

choopie911 wrote:

No chance of switching ISP's?

Nope, the barracks internet is monopolized by the MWR. It allows them to charge me extraobrinant fees for 256 up and down, with all these restrictions.

And Horsepower, shut up. This is my home internet and I can do whatever I want to with it. Go away.

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:05pm

You got owned hard...

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:11pm

The guy just sent me a reply:

I don't know whether he is an idoit, just trying to cyoa.

Sir,

Ft. Leonard Wood is not set up to provide static addresses to any of the end users nor is it possible to provide you with DMZ access. Your statement “Neither of these methods can compromise network security to users other than myself (especially the DMZ as I would not even really be inside the network anymore)” couldn’t be further from the truth & let me explain why. Providing you with a static address or DMZ access does not isolate you, it just places you in a different subnet. Most network administrators carelessly assume this “separate network” provides them with true DMZ security. Some Administrators take short cuts & put servers in what they call a DMZ (all ports open) in the same subnet (big mistake hacked in less than 10 second). In a real DMZ there would be 2 firewalls one at the front of the network & one at the inside network with the servers needing DMZ access located in between. In your case we would have to isolate you from the rest of the network with another firewall & we cannot do that. Since we cannot offer you a static address or provide you with DMZ access I would like to suggest that you use a VPN to give you access with all ports open. Obviously this should be a VPN to one of your own personal servers because the military blocks all of these same ports on their networks. However there is a work around, you mentioned needing to SSH to one of your servers, port 22 (SSH) is open. As an IT specialist you know that setting up VPN access on any Linux platform is a piece of cake, once this is completed through SSH simple connect to your VPN & all ports to all services (Legal or not) will be accessible. As a last note your statement “Also as you pointed out in the first reply, you have every right to contact the authorities if I was to do something illegal” in not true on Ft. Leonard Wood as your identity is protected & we cannot do anything except turn your service off. I apologize about the inconvenience that this has caused you but the ports must remain closed.

So it isn't a threat to network security to VPN out to my nix box, but it is to open a port? What an idoit.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:16pm

Call them, and talk to whoever is highest up.

Posted By: proteus316
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:19pm

I work tech support for multiple ISPs. Find a phone # and call in to get another tech helping you. They guy you're emailing isn't but there will be someone there that can help and that will, call until you find a tech who doesn't know what you're talking about and will just open the ports for you.

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:32pm

Everyone I have called so far has said to put a request in writing to have the ports opened. They also keep a log of all the calls, so they would know something was up.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:34pm

Snake6 wrote:

Everyone I have called so far has said to put a request in writing to have the ports opened. They also keep a log of all the calls, so they would know something was up.

So ask to speak to their supervisor, and so on and so forth

Posted By: proteus316
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:42pm

Who is your provider?

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:43pm

choopie911 wrote:

Snake6 wrote:

Everyone I have called so far has said to put a request in writing to have the ports opened. They also keep a log of all the calls, so they would know something was up.

So ask to speak to their supervisor, and so on and so forth

I think the dude I talked to via email was the supervisor.

He signed it: Director of Network Operations

So who the hell would I go to, the owner?

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 3:54pm

Bring up this fact to them...

http://www.freeutopia.org/2007/11/04/comcast-facing-wrath-of-consumers-congressmen-wall-street-over-bittorrent-throttling/#comment-4049 - http://www.freeutopia.org/2007/11/04/comcast-facing-wrath-of -consumers-congressmen-wall-street-over-bittorrent-throttlin g/#comment-4049

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 4:24pm

proteus316 wrote:

Who is your provider?

Actual ISP is Embarq, the people I get the internet through is basecom.

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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 4:26pm

Man, that is such BS. I feel for you.

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 4:43pm

So if I am reading stuff this right, this is a violation of the Telecommunications and Opportunities Reform Act which states that consumers can access content and applications of thier choice.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 5:09pm

Snake6 wrote:

And Horsepower, shut up. This is my home internet and I can do whatever I want to with it. Go away.

The Military can do what they want with your connection, deal with it.

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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 5:15pm

Horsepower wrote:

Snake6 wrote:

And Horsepower, shut up. This is my home internet and I can do whatever I want to with it. Go away.

The Military can do what they want with your connection, deal with it.

You are stupid.
The military doesnt provide internet access.

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 5:26pm

I just emailed the guy back with this:

Sir,

Running a VPN or SSH connection to my server is not an option at this time due to the fact that I do not have physical access to the box, and I do not have remote desktop protcols installed at this time. I only have access to files saved on the box until I go home again at which time I could put open SSH on it. Also as SSH or VPN connections will limit bandwidth, uploading files would take a very long time. Also packet loss would be an issue as any packet taking more than 32 hops is automatically considered lost to any application.

I came across this FCC Policy Statement while looking at some things in relation to this matter.

An excerpt from it states:

· To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice.

· To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement.

· To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network.[1]

· To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.[2]

[1] See Hush-A-Phone Corp. v. United States, 238 F.2d 266, 269 (D.C. Cir. 1956); Use of the Carterfone Device in Message Toll Telephone Service, 13 FCC 2d 420 (1968).

[2] See Preamble, Telecommunications Act of 1996, P.L. 104-104, 100 Stat. 56 (1996) (enacting 1996 Act “to promote competition and reduce regulation in order to secure lower prices and higher quality services for American telecommunications consumers and encourage the rapid deployment of new telecommunications technologies”).

If I am reading this correctly, the consumer is entitled to run any service without interference from the ISP. Therefore restricting access to services that I request to use is prohibited by the FCC, as it is a violation of network neutrality. I am sure if someone did this to you on YOUR home ISP that you pay for you would be as upset as I am.

Please help get a solution to this problem that does not involve me having to use my own resources to solve a problem that was not created by me.

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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:01pm

They are going to hate you... Can't they just cut your access completely and solve their problem?

I would be a bad supervisor, especially if I had the power to do many things, such as turn off access to the internet/etc.

Anyone who wrote a complaint, BAM, no more internet for them so they can't write any more email complaints.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:03pm

I guess they could, but it would be stupid of them to do so because then I would just get lawyer and sue. I will see tomorrow what the guy says about calling him out that he is in violation of FCC regulation.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:16pm

Your the stupid one, I never said they provide the Internet, I just said they can do what they want.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:21pm

Horsepower wrote:

Your the stupid one, I never said they provide the Internet, I just said they can do what they want.

Go kill yourself. If you don't have anything useful to contribute to the thread, get out. I am not in the mood for your retarded statements or idiotic opinions. You are a complete dumbass, I hope for the worlds sake you are sterile because you should not be allowed to have kids. Why don't you just leave and never come back.

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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:32pm

Well at least now you can play xbox live.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:35pm

jordanpischke wrote:

Well at least now you can play xbox live.

I could before. I just cannot get a good connection to any of my friends because the network blocks so much.

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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:38pm

Horsepower wrote:

Your the stupid one, I never said they provide the Internet, I just said they can do what they want.

Well lets see. Since the military doesn't provide internet access, they cant do anything to it. Thats like saying I provide snake6 internet, but your dumb ass can make changes and not allow him access.
Why dont you just leave.

Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:39pm

Horsepower, every time I see your sig I want to put a bullet in my head. That Britney thing is creepy.

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 6:48pm

At ease Lance Corporal. Dont let others draw you into a flame fest you will all loose

Horsepower if your intent lately is to start flame wars. I am more than happy to Nuke your account and this time ban you until you seem to get the Hint.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 10:39pm

I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just saying he doesn't own the place he lives at. I think if he lives in a place that the government owns then the government should be able to decide what he can and can't have in the place. He is the once trying to start flame wars by saying I should go kill myself and that stuff.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 10:53pm

Ok, I'll bite.

Even though the entire forum knows the original intent of your post was to instigate flaming, I'll answer your question.

If I pay monthly for service advertised as "broadband internet access", from a service provider how does the government have anything to do with it? It doesn't. The Military has nothing to do with it at all. This is between me and the ISP, not between me the military and the ISP. Next time read before you post.

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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 10:53pm

Horsepower wrote:

I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just saying he doesn't own the place he lives at. I think if he lives in a place that the government owns then the government should be able to decide what he can and can't have in the place. He is the once trying to start flame wars by saying I should go kill myself and that stuff.

And we are just telling you that your wrong and not to talk about things you have no idea about. The military doesn't control internet access in barracks.

::Edit::
Yeah, what snake said...

Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 11:12pm

No I was not trying to start a flame war. I was just saying I really don't see an issue with the government controlling what a soldier can and can't have while they are in. I understand that you pay some company X amount of dollars for the Internet service.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 11:16pm

Horsepower, have you read anything that anyone has posted in this thread?

Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 11:36pm

Sorry about your situation snake wish I could help.

As for you horsepower I honestly pray for the day that I will sign on to these forums, read a couple of threads, of which you have either tried or succeeded in starting a flame war, then I will just happen to notice you got banned, and will giggle like a little school girl.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 11:50pm

Hmm.. quite ironic kicking.

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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 20 November 2007 at 11:55pm

Linus wrote:

Hmm.. quite ironic kicking.

Well see the thing is, I figure if it has gotten to the point where I am annoyed it is getting bad. Plus it is not like I haven't changed for the better because of this forum, I honestly do have to thank you guys quite a bit for a few things. I honestly just don't have the time to sit down and do it.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 10:05am

So I got a reply from this idiot. I laughed histerically.

The facts are IRC is not nor will it EVER be used for any legitimate purpose & Skype is prohibited on our network because it caused broadcast storms as it fights like a rabid animal to get out. This is virus like activity & as a IT specialist you should know this. These ports must remain closed for the security of this network & this will not be discussed any further.

So every game that uses IRC is not legitimate. Chat rooms are not legitimate? Give me a break. I am calling his manager.

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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 10:14am

That guy, is in fact, an idiot.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 10:55am

Tell me, is playing video games online really that important to you ?

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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 10:57am

Horsepower wrote:

Tell me, is playing video games online really that important to you ?

Online gaming is a huge part of the gaming world these days. I have yet to play an online game. But, if I get a 360 for Christmas, that will change.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 11:00am

Da Hui wrote:

Horsepower wrote:

Tell me, is playing video games online really that important to you ?

Online gaming is a huge part of the gaming world these days. I have yet to play an online game. But, if I get a 360 for Christmas, that will change.

When I moved out of the city I lost my broadband access. I was a little irritated but nothing more than that.

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 11:02am

That guy may or may be an idiot, but here are some things to consider:

1. That guy almost certainly does not have the authority to open these ports. You can argue all you want, but it ain't gonna happen.

2. In order to get these ports open, you need a policy change. That means somebody at the policy-making level will need to get involved.

3. Most likely, whoever at the ISP is making policy is communicating with a military counterpart. This uptight policy was not a brainchild of a civilian alone, but invented in collaboration with the military.

4. Therefore, if you succeed in getting this to the policy-making level at the ISP, you have also succeeded in bringing your name to the attention of somebody in the military at the policy-making level.

5. Moreover, your name will be brought up as the smartass and/or barracks lawyer who doesn't know when to shut up and sit down.

6. The people in the military that will be hearing this probably outrank you. If they don't, their bosses do.

Conclusion: If you "succeed" in this venture, it is a near-inevitability that somebody directly upstream in your chain of command will be hearing or reading some very unflattering things about you.

Therefore, my recommendation: Shut up and sit down. Let it go. There are times to rock the boat - I am thinking this is not one of those times.

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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 11:29am

I agree with your thinking, somewhat. While someone up his chain of command may hear about this, I dont think it will reflect on him in a bad way. All he is trying to do is get the most out of what he pays for. They wont say anything about that.

Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 11:41am

So you won't get a bad reputation for causing a bunch of trouble over an online video game ?

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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 11:58am

Horsepower wrote:

So you won't get a bad reputation for causing a bunch of trouble over an online video game ?

Jesus christ. You do realize it's not just about the video game. It's about getting what he pays for. It's more of a matter of principles now than anything. He believes he is being treated unfairly and is trying to remedy it.

This is another case of you looking for a fight. You stick around and just try to get people pissed off. Granted, you are good at, but give it a rest man.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 12:17pm

Too bad you forgot to ask your recruiter about this when you joined up.

Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 1:29pm

Karll, chill out, I don't try to start fights, people on here are just good at taking things people say over the Internet personally.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 1:33pm

That's a load of BS what he said about IRC.

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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 1:50pm

I get all my porn and music from PBC.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 2:15pm

So I emailed back asking to speak with a supervisor.

He said he was the supervisor, and would not give me the name of anyone above him. He then claimed that all the applications I am asking to use are only for illegal activity and that I was going to preform illegal acts if granted access. Basically he called me criminal.

This is the last straw. I am about done. I am about to call embarq, and complain that these people are violating the resell terms and conditions provided by Embarq which state:

In addition, the subscriber reselling Embarq's services must
comply with the Communications Act and the Federal Communications Commission's rules, regulations
and decisions. Failure to comply with any term or condition may result in Embarq immediately and
irrevocably terminating service without incurring any liability. Notification of termination may be by
written notice or in person.

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:26pm

Horsepower wrote:

Tell me, is playing video games online really that important to you ?

I have 4 letters for your.

They are: GTFO.

I'm fairly certain that this is a matter of principle now, as well as a want to play online video games.
You say that the military should be able to block what is used/viewed in his home, off-duty? Just because the military pays for his house? If the military paid for the internet service I might follow your logic, but he clearly states that he pays for it (and pays out the nose at that).
Last I checked, our soldiers are still protected by the law, as well as the Constitution. The law states that ISP providers have no right to block content on the internet, yet this guy is clearly violating that.

If you think that our soldiers, who sacrifice quite a bit for us, shouldn't be allowed to use IRC, XBL, in their homes while off duty... Well then my good sir, you are an idiot.
We don't want to hear your senseless blathering anymore. Die in a fire.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:28pm

I didn't mean it like that. I'm saying if he is in the Military living on the base and still in. They should be able to block it. Now if he finished his time and left and they wanted to then yea I would have a issue with that.

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:33pm

Is it really that hard to be nice to each other?

Lay off the flaming and personal attacks.

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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:33pm

Horsepower wrote:

I didn't mean it like that. I'm saying if he is in the Military living on the base and still in. They should be able to block it. Now if he finished his time and left and they wanted to then yea I would have a issue with that.

And why, in your opinion, should he refrain from attempting to open ports whilst in a military base?

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:34pm

So you have been denied a service that you are (legally?) required to recieve

You could probably sue if it goes that fair.

Wait a second... you're in America... you could definately sue!

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:36pm

Why is it not an issue if he is still in the military?
He should still be granted full protections under the law. This isn't about some top-secret files being accidentally released over the internet...
It's about this guy/company telling Snake that he can't use programs that have legitimate used because they can also be used to share illegal files.

That's like them blocking all porn sites because there might be kiddy porn somewhere on one of the thousands of sites.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:36pm

THE MILITARY IS NOT BLOCKING ANYTHING. HIS ISP IS ILLEGALLY BLOCKING CONTENT THAT HE, AS A PAYING CUSTOMER, HAS THE RIGHT TO ACCESS. THE MILITARY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION.

Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:38pm

Since when is internet access a right? I must have missed that ammendment.

Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:38pm

Rambino wrote:

Is it really that hard to be nice to each other?

Lay off the flaming and personal attacks.

Yes, it is Rambs.

Actually, I've been wondering when I was going to get a strike... That's the first strike/repremand I've had in my 6+ years here.
Can't say I didn't deserve it, but Horsepower has a particular knack for making me incredibly angry.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:41pm

Hades wrote:

Since when is internet access a right? I must have missed that ammendment.

If you're paying for it, it's a right.

Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:44pm

/me misses Zesty.

The ISP isnt blocking content, just methods of acquiring information.

Obviously he can still access the net.

It is amusing to read the pointless struggle that is being fought for a lost cause.

Posted By: DGAFmuffinZ
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 3:55pm

1. Horsepower, you suck for continually starting ______ with 95% of the members on this forum.

2. Sorry Snake.

3. Bunkered didn't deserve his strike.

4. Horsepower is the complete catalyst of most of the ________ on this forum.

5. Hades just because you're mad at the world, you don't have to come on this forum and be a complete smart ______ most of the time. Punch your wall to vent, don't take it on an internet forum full of kids 10 years younger than you.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 5:50pm

I have given up. It is not worth it to worry about this stupidity anymore i am going to cancel the service on Monday, and look into getting Sprint mobile broadband. I'll just have to run my Xbox through my computer.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:01pm

Yomillio wrote:

And why, in your opinion, should he refrain from attempting to open ports whilst in a military base?

God, you people keep twisting the things I say. I never said he shouldn't try. I just said I can see the government putting restrictions on him while he is serving.

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Come Get Some !

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:06pm

Your ignorance amazes me. That is all the words I bring myself to right now.

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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:37pm

Horsepower wrote:

Yomillio wrote:

And why, in your opinion, should he refrain from attempting to open ports whilst in a military base?

God, you people keep twisting the things I say. I never said he shouldn't try. I just said I can see the government putting restrictions on him while he is serving.

You are ridiculous. Honestly.

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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:01pm

Horsepower is annoying.

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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:08pm

Bolt3 wrote:

Horsepower is annoying.

Title....

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Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:32pm

I dont get why they keep thinking your trying to do illegal things and let terrorists hack your computer

. Do they not understand why you want to use these things? Are they just assuming that you are just making up these reasons just so you can do illegal things? Where is the trust?

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:33pm

I'm stupid because I have a different opinion ? Doesn't surprise me coming from the members of this forum.

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Come Get Some !

Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:34pm

Horsepower wrote:

I'm stupid because I have a different opinion ? Doesn't surprise me coming from the members of this forum.

You're stupid if you have a stupid opinion, yes

Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:37pm

choopie911 wrote:

Horsepower wrote:

I'm stupid because I have a different opinion ? Doesn't surprise me coming from the members of this forum.

You're stupid if you have a stupid opinion, yes

Perfect example.

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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:47pm

Horsepower wrote:

Yomillio wrote:

And why, in your opinion, should he refrain from attempting to open ports whilst in a military base?

God, you people keep twisting the things I say. I never said he shouldn't try. I just said I can see the government putting restrictions on him while he is serving.

I did the above so I could get that exact response from you.

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON HIS INTERNET, THE ISP IS.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:52pm

So the provider is the one saying he can't have it do to illegal stuff/terrorist. ?

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Posted By: karll
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 7:55pm

Quite the change of tune all of the sudden.

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Posted By: Horsepower
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 8:01pm

Misunderstanding =

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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 8:35pm

Horsepower wrote:

So the provider is the one saying he can't have it do to illegal stuff/terrorist. ?

Most of this thread has consisted of people trying to tell you what I have.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 9:51pm

Snake6 wrote:

Since when is it the ISP's place to tell people what they can and cannot do on the internet they pay for.

holysmartone wrote:

The military doesnt provide internet access.

holysmartone wrote:

Since the military doesn't provide internet access, they cant do anything to it.

Snake6 wrote:

If I pay monthly for service advertised as "broadband internet access", from a service provider how does the government have anything to do with it? It doesn't. The Military has nothing to do with it at all. This is between me and the ISP, not between me the military and the ISP.

holysmartone wrote:

The military doesn't control internet access in barracks.

Bunkered wrote:

It's about this guy/company telling Snake that he can't use programs that have legitimate used because they can also be used to share illegal files.

Brian Fellows wrote:

THE MILITARY IS NOT BLOCKING ANYTHING. HIS ISP IS ILLEGALLY BLOCKING CONTENT THAT HE, AS A PAYING CUSTOMER, HAS THE RIGHT TO ACCESS. THE MILITARY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION.

Yomillio wrote:

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON HIS INTERNET, THE ISP IS.

Horsepower wrote:

So the provider is the one saying he can't have it do to illegal stuff/terrorist. ?

Horsepower wrote:

Misunderstanding =

Wow, enlightenment finally dawns, Given all of the above all I can say is . . .

DUH!

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 3:24am

This thread delivered.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 8:32am

High Voltage wrote:

This thread delivered.

That it did. HV, PM coming your way.

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