Airsoft - Is 500 FPS just too much?
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Topic: Airsoft - Is 500 FPS just too much?
Posted By: DeTrevni
Subject: Airsoft - Is 500 FPS just too much?
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 4:28am
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Well, I got to looking for a new gun and found http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=hfc-wwII-rifle&Category_Code=Airsoft_gas_blowbacks&Store_Code=R - this . I was attracted to its cheap price, good build quality (metal and real wood), good accuracy, good distance, and to its incredible velocity (according to reviews on ShortyUSA). I am intrigued by actually being able to snipe, by definition, in airsoft, and would like to persue the position. I think this gasser will be nice and functional, but is 500 FPS just too much? A little backstory: I play airsoft with my friends, mostly little "outlaw" skirmishes in some woods and trenches behind the neighborhood. Some battles get pretty intense, getting 4 or 5 people on each team. I have a crappy 20 dollar pistol, and think it's time to upgrade, as they seem to favor the AEG's. However, there is an honesty problem sometimes, and I got to thinking that the best way to tell if they were out was to make 'em say "ow." But I don't actually want to hurt them. I guess I'm asking if any airsofters out there think I should just pass this one over and look at other stuff...
Edit: I was also looking at http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BTTYPE96-type-96-sniper&Category_Code=airsoft-sniper-rifles&Store_Code=R - this , which is more "managable," still puts out good velocity, and I'd assume it's accurate, but it's a heckuval lot larger and bulkier. Comes with a scope, but I don't know how effective scopes are in airsoft. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 5:22am
I'm about to go to bed, but there's a million YouTube reviews of the sniper rifle out there, it's actually pretty impressive for an airsoft gun. In fact, there are a million airsoft reviews on YT in general, most of them pretty in depth (too in depth...). ------------- 
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DeTrevni wrote:Posted By: Enmity
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 8:12am
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I have a few friends who airsoft regularly, and one of them happens to have the first gun, and the 500fps isn't that bad, at a range of less than 15 feet it could make you bleed, but it doesn't hurt terribly bad.
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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:09am
| Just be sure to wear proper eye protection. Friend of mine nearly lost his eye becuase he and another idiot were shooting eachother in a car. |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:42am
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its funny how the airsoft AK47s cost more than a real AK47... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:44am
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Ya, I second that eye protection statement, I to was shot in the eye luckily it
was one of those 20 dollar spring pistols. It hurt pretty bad but I haven't noticed a difference in my vision, as for the guns I would go with the first, if your friends are worried about getting hit by it have them where long sleeves. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:47am
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In my experiences, with backyard airsoft, 500 is far too much. My shotgun shoots 300 fps and it can easily make someone bleed from 20 feet away. That's just my opinion though, my brother has an aeg so I either neded firepower or speed. (I have a red dot on it and it sights in pretty well... from 100 feet, it will hit someone 19/20 shots) If you feel that it will be safe for you guys, than go for it. Watch how far people that you are shooting from you. Make sure that your team has good face protection. Also, for some reason, the hop up doesn't add any effective range at all to mine. Anyone else experience this? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 10:50am
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I play with a lot of people that have the 300 fps shotguns, but really it
makes no difference to me. Also he said he usually plays in the woods with his friends, so if you are concerned about it then use your pistol for close range and your rifle for long range. ___EDIT___ Order it now, because they have a deal going where you can get a free spring powered mp40 with and order over 20 bucks. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 11:08am
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515 fps w/ .20 gram BB / Green Gas and 365 fps w/ .20g BB w/ HFC134a gas.
run HFC134a? ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 11:42am
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500 is pretty steep for a backyard game I would think. Probably won't be too bad if you are really sniping, but if you hit someone up close they are definetely gonna know it lol.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 11:44am
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Well, 300 FPS is ~200 MPH, so 500 FPS would be near ~300 MPH I'm guessing...
And for a projectile that doesn't break when it hits? Ouch. Even though it is small. ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 2:21pm
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Well, when I say "outlaw skirmishes," I mean we play on a GOOD size tract of land. What it is, is a rather large patch of forest between 2 huge (empty) retention ponds. Next to the patch of forest is a large drainage ditch that empties into the retention pond. We've got acres to play on, and for the years we've been playing there, no one really cares. Sniping is actually logical and probably effective there. It won't be point blank range, that's for sure.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 2:25pm
THER NO SCUBA SNIPAZ IN AURSOFT U NOOBZ!!! 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 2:35pm
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Try testing it on your eye protection for sure. If any chips or dents at all happen, then don't use it. Although I must say it is very pretty. ------------- 
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 3:47pm
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LOL. I've been looking at the same thing. My Current setup is a TM M4 Clone which is currently taking a crap and breaking (But weighs more than my Tippmann), and a KWA G17 GBB (One of the best Airsoft GBB's available) and even that breaks. I take care of my stuff too. Im asking for that for christmas, so if I get it we can have interstate sniper duels. My friends brother has the pistol Mauser by HFC and it seems pretty good. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 5:41pm
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DSR rules for organized airsoft require a minimum engagement distance for any velocity over 400fps. My M-21 shoots 495fps and I used a minimum of 20m, with a M-1911A1 at 290fps for anything closer.
I can get my M-21 up to 550fps but .20g/.23gr/.25gr will not fly straight at those velocities. 350-400fps is the standard and many national events limit to <375 fps for any full auto/select fire. Bolt actions can go up to 500fps with DSR rules. 8mm are restricted to lower velocities because of weight/velocity/impact energy. My K98 will fire 400fps with 8mm .35gr and I use 20-25m as my engagement range. Backyard games with anything <300 is fine, once you get into the organized airsoft world rules change. Check the organizations rules before you show up. Paintball goggles will handle up to 400fps, shooting glasses or the wallyword glasses/goggles will not. Balistic goggles/ eye armor are the best choice. ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 5:45pm
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Well, the Mauser is a semi. Are there restrictions on that? It says it shoots 510 with .20's, but I'm probably gonna run .25's with the Mauser, should I get it. That should drop it into the 400's, in theory... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 5:57pm
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You can get it only use 134a. Try .25's but use the 20m rule and you should not draw blood.
Better choice would be a standard all around use AEG for non-organized game use. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:07pm
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Why? Could propane and silicone harm it? Also, where can I get replacement parts for this? -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:15pm
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All Green-gas is is a propane mixture with silicon oils.
I personally do not use commercial propane adapters, the wrong gas/oil mixture rate could foul your gaslines and blowback vents. 500plus fps in backyard games is a disater waiting to happen, injury, police, lawsuit...just a really, really bad idea. Parts will be an issue for any hybred china/japan airsoft product. Airsoft Extreme, or Red Wolf would be your only parts options probably. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:29pm
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Well, another option I have is these so-called "high grade" AEG's. They are the Marui clones, etc. http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=R&Category_Code=High-Grade-AEGs - Here. I'm looking at the http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MP008-agm-m14-wood&Category_Code=High-Grade-AEGs&Store_Code=R - M-14 or the http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=jin-gong-aug&Category_Code=High-Grade-AEGs&Store_Code=R - JG AUG . The AUG got some good reviews. Edit: You may notice I'm looking at the same store. They are local to me, and I can order from them and pick up locally, so it's a lot more convenient. Also, they have good prices, IMO. My friend bought from them, so they are reputable. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:35pm
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Well, do you reccomend GreenGas or 134A? I've always preferred Green due to the availability (I live 5 minutes from a paintball store that stocks it), consistancy in cold weather (or at least better than 134) and FPS. Although I dont need 500 unless Im playing in a large area. Edit: DeTrev, AUGs are ugly. I have a Aftermath Kirenex http://www.aftermathairsoft.com - www.aftermathairsoft.com which is a re-labled JG and it has given me nothing but problems. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:40pm
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I use green-gas in the K-98 and M-1911A1 GBB. Have used 134a with no complications for lower velocities.
As for AEG's, go with true AEG's not "clones", a little extra $, now, will outweigh a lot of $, later to replace gear sets and motors. Lower end TM, G+G, CA, are all good starters, just ensure you get a ver3 gearbox gun, save a lot of $ on upgrades. http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=364 - http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index.php?main_page=inde x&cPath=364 Also look at the real pretty M-240 GPMG coming out soon. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:44pm
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I was about to ask you that same question: If I should just spring for a good AEG. Well, my friend shoots a "clone" AEG, and has yet to have any trouble. But he honestly doesn't use it seriously, so endurance isn't quite known yet. I'm really starting to fall in love with M-14's, and I've always liked AUG's. Both are about the same price. Tough choice... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:45pm
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AUG it for sure man
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:48pm
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My G+G M-14 is moded into a M-21 System and is a trouble free hard hitter at good range. I can easily mod it from 325fps to 450fps with a spring change since the stock ver3 gearbox will handle the 190% springs.
Go with better quality...will save you serious $. I do not know how many gearboxes I end up rebuilding for players who went cheap originally, and bought a 150% spring and ended up with ground junk in the gearbox. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 6:50pm
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Just a heads up- Hop-up on the AUG or FMAS series of any manufacturer is a bit of a problem child, based on design of mag feed. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 7:08pm
| Now I want to play airsoft... time to call my friends. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 7:25pm
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 22 November 2007 at 7:30pm
| Those sniper rifles look so sweet. I think I'll buy one. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 2:28am
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Okay, I've settled on a G&G basic M-14. Good gun, great brand, affordable price. Plus, my birfday is coming up. Maybe I won't have to pay for all that much! http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GG-14-iws&Category_Code=Airosft_AEGs&Store_Code=R - This. I figure it will cover the "sniper" missions, should I wish, and will lay down the fire, should I need it. Not to mention, it's upgradable. That's good. Anyone know why it's so cheap??? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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