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Topic: Found somthing.....
Posted By: kurieitaa
Subject: Found somthing.....
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 4:45pm

When i was looking for parts for my brothers truck in a friends garage, and i found 2 ammo clips (empty of course).

And i wanted to know what gun they were for, might make a good clip for a milsim marker project.



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Posted By: thejudge
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 4:50pm
looks like an m16 or ar15 maybe.  I cant tell for sure though.

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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 7:34pm

They're older style M16 mags. Mags of that style were used during the vietnam era until the mid 80's by some.

Well, Im pretty sure the M16 mags. But it could be an M1 Carbine mag or something.



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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 7:54pm
Yeah, they look to be the older 20 rd M16 mags. They could also be M14 mags but you really can't tell as there is nothing to compare them with.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 8:12pm
Could even be after-market SKS mags. I've had some like that.

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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 9:52pm
well i cleand then up, and still cant find any markings of mfg of any sort.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 9:56pm
Pics of top of said mags?

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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 10:34pm

I hope this helps any better?

Clip dimensions 3"width 6"Length 1"thick.



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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:57am
I'm going to say AR/M-16 as the catch is high up on the mag. For an SKS/AK derivative, it would be down lower as they mag sits high in the receiver but the release is lower on the body.

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 1:07pm
Yeah defiantly M-16 20 rounders.

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Posted By: olskoolbully
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 7:05pm

M16 A1



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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

M16 A1


Um, the Magazines have nothing to do with the weapon's designation. That magazine can be used with any variant of the M16/M4/AR15 family. The A1 is a weapon variant not a magazine variant.


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Posted By: gardy90
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:21pm
those are too big for a m-16, the m-16 used in vietnam is a .223 and that looks more like a .308 size mag but a pic with a ruler and or somthing for size comparsin would be helpfull




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Posted By: olskoolbully
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

M16 A1


Um, the Magazines have nothing to do with the weapon's designation. That magazine can be used with any variant of the M16/M4/AR15 family. The A1 is a weapon variant not a magazine variant.

Umm, question was, what gun was it for. And thats what its for



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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Yeah, they look to be the older 20 rd M16 mags. They could also be M14 mags but you really can't tell as there is nothing to compare them with.


i was thinking m14, i think m16 is a little narrower...but like you said theres nothing to compare to.


Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:05am
Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

M16 A1


Um, the Magazines have nothing to do with the weapon's designation. That magazine can be used with any variant of the M16/M4/AR15 family. The A1 is a weapon variant not a magazine variant.

Umm, question was, what gun was it for. And thats what its for


You missed the point. The designation "A1" has nothing to do with the magazine. A magazine is not dictated by the weapon variant. It is not an A1 magazine as it is not for the M16A1 variant exclusively. There is no such thing as an A1 magazine. Although 20rd magazines were commonly issued with A1 variant rifles, there were also 10 and 30 round mags issued with A1 rifles.

I am almost positive that is a Magazine from the AR15 family of rifles. I was looking at a M-14 magazine from one of our colorguard rifles, and the top of the mag looks nothing like that.


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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:31am

I was thinking it would be from the m14, but the top looks a lil different, and the spine is not centerd like most clips, it's on the right. i could take it apart, but dont know if that will help.

And olskoolbully, it's not from an "m16a1" and you giving a short answer like that is not helping much.



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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 10:25am
M-14 would have the mag catch a little lower as well though, it's a variant of the M1A1 action and stock (basically a select fire M-1 Garand with detachable mag). The upper receiver is a lot deeper on the M-14 and other M-1 variants meaning that the mag catch is lower. That's why I'm saying it's a Stoner mag.

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Posted By: GhilleMan
Date Posted: 07 December 2007 at 9:17pm
someone named stoner creating one of the weapons that symbolizes the vietnam war...coincidnce...I THINK NOT!!!

I had a pair just like that........ m16 20 rounders, got em from a guy at work to use for a milsim project.

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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 2:13am
Well im going back to the garage where i found them, maybe i can find the gun lolol.

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Posted By: olskoolbully
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 2:47am
Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

M16 A1


Um, the Magazines have nothing to do with the weapon's designation. That magazine can be used with any variant of the M16/M4/AR15 family. The A1 is a weapon variant not a magazine variant.

Umm, question was, what gun was it for. And thats what its for


You missed the point. The designation "A1" has nothing to do with the magazine. A magazine is not dictated by the weapon variant. It is not an A1 magazine as it is not for the M16A1 variant exclusively. There is no such thing as an A1 magazine. Although 20rd magazines were commonly issued with A1 variant rifles, there were also 10 and 30 round mags issued with A1 rifles.

I am almost positive that is a Magazine from the AR15 family of rifles. I was looking at a M-14 magazine from one of our colorguard rifles, and the top of the mag looks nothing like that.

Correct me if im wrong, but the A1 uses a different round and has a different barrel than the A2. The different versions ie. M14, AR15 were made later. So, if thats the mag were taliking about it was originally made for the A1. I just dont want to call it a variant, because its a different gun.



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Posted By: HP_Lovecraft
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 9:23am
The clips are factory mags for a FN-FAL rifle.

You can tell my the catch, as they are unique for FN-FAL rifles. No doubt about it. FN-FAL used to be very common surplus rifles, as most of the free world used them in the 70s, but have become less common today.

Stoner-based guns catch on the side, so its not any stoner derivative (ie AR15, M16, etc).

Kalishnakov magazines are all curved. Not an AK47/74 magazine.

SKS magazines have extender adapters, since they were never designed to use magazines.

M14 magazines have a recessed catch, so while similar, they are different then the FN-FAL system

nick


Posted By: Pirate1650
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 10:29am

I don't know what they go to just by the picture, if your just going to use it on a mil sim paintball gun what difference does it make anyway?

Also, they are called magazines not clips.



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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 1:25pm

Originally posted by HP_Lovecraft HP_Lovecraft wrote:

The clips are factory mags for a FN-FAL rifle.

You can tell my the catch, as they are unique for FN-FAL rifles. No doubt about it. FN-FAL used to be very common surplus rifles, as most of the free world used them in the 70s, but have become less common today.

Stoner-based guns catch on the side, so its not any stoner derivative (ie AR15, M16, etc).

Kalishnakov magazines are all curved. Not an AK47/74 magazine.

SKS magazines have extender adapters, since they were never designed to use magazines.

M14 magazines have a recessed catch, so while similar, they are different then the FN-FAL system

nick

I really think the clips are from " http://www.galatiinternational.com/frankmachinegunday/49-FNFAL.jpg - FN-FAL " when i look at them there are identical. Good job "HP_Lovecraft" for finding it.

http://www.keepshooting.com/productimages/firearmaccessories/magazines/rifles/fn_fal20metricmagbig.jpg - FN FAL mag (20 rounds of .308 (7.62x51) ammo)

and thanks every one for helping out, much appreciated.

Originally posted by Pirate1650 Pirate1650 wrote:

I don't know what they go to just by the picture, if your just going to use it on a mil sim paintball gun what difference does it make anyway?

Also, they are called magazines not clips.

I can call them what ever i want. M.P.H (multiple projectiles holder) happy lol

But still i want to find out what they came from, just because i want to know the history of the clips.



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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by olskoolbully olskoolbully wrote:

M16 A1


Um, the Magazines have nothing to do with the weapon's designation. That magazine can be used with any variant of the M16/M4/AR15 family. The A1 is a weapon variant not a magazine variant.

Umm, question was, what gun was it for. And thats what its for


You missed the point. The designation "A1" has nothing to do with the magazine. A magazine is not dictated by the weapon variant. It is not an A1 magazine as it is not for the M16A1 variant exclusively. There is no such thing as an A1 magazine. Although 20rd magazines were commonly issued with A1 variant rifles, there were also 10 and 30 round mags issued with A1 rifles.

I am almost positive that is a Magazine from the AR15 family of rifles. I was looking at a M-14 magazine from one of our colorguard rifles, and the top of the mag looks nothing like that.

Correct me if im wrong, but the A1 uses a different round and has a different barrel than the A2. The different versions ie. M14, AR15 were made later. So, if thats the mag were taliking about it was originally made for the A1. I just dont want to call it a variant, because its a different gun.


You are completely wrong. The A! uses the exact same 5.56mm round as the A2 and all other M16 variants. Although the A1 did have a different barrel it shot the same ammo.

HP_Lovecraft, good find.

I didn't even think about the catch when I was looking at them. Does the FN FAL have a slide release or something? Never played with one..




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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 08 December 2007 at 11:53pm
i know it has been figured out already but just look at the size of the mag compaired to the keyboard/hand... you can tell it is larger than a 5.56...

MOST of the m16/ar15 type rifles shoot 5.56/.223 ammo (same size round) however some are chambered in .308 (7.62 nato) and i have seen at leaste one chambered in 7.62x39 however all standard m16 rifles issued by the US millatary (A1, A2, ect. are chambered in 5.56/.223) originally the gun was issued with 20rd mags and now 30rd mags...

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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 2:36am

Originally posted by merc merc wrote:

i know it has been figured out already but just look at the size of the mag compaired to the keyboard/hand... you can tell it is larger than a 5.56...

MOST of the m16/ar15 type rifles shoot 5.56/.223 ammo (same size round) however some are chambered in .308 (7.62 nato) and i have seen at leaste one chambered in 7.62x39 however all standard m16 rifles issued by the US millatary (A1, A2, ect. are chambered in 5.56/.223) originally the gun was issued with 20rd mags and now 30rd mags...

I thought they only came in 5.56, i never knew they had a 7.62. wow you learn somthing new every day.

thanx merc



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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by kurieitaa kurieitaa wrote:

Originally posted by merc merc wrote:

i know it has been figured out already but just look at the size of the mag compaired to the keyboard/hand... you can tell it is larger than a 5.56...

MOST of the m16/ar15 type rifles shoot 5.56/.223 ammo (same size round) however some are chambered in .308 (7.62 nato) and i have seen at leaste one chambered in 7.62x39 however all standard m16 rifles issued by the US millatary (A1, A2, ect. are chambered in 5.56/.223) originally the gun was issued with 20rd mags and now 30rd mags...

I thought they only came in 5.56, i never knew they had a 7.62. wow you learn somthing new every day.

thanx merc

They come in a wide variety of chamberings, .308, .40 S&W, 9mm, .50, .44, .308 Win., Maybe even .30-06 but Im not sure. A Guns and Ammo mag I got (Literature you Idiots!) has a huge list of them.



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Posted By: HP_Lovecraft
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 10:44am
The gun that the AR-15 was based on was chambered for the 7.62X51, same bullet that the M-14 used. That gun was called the AR-10, and been around for about 50 years.

The military asked Stoner to redesign the AR-10 to fire 5.56, which became the AR-15. The reason was to reduce recoil, and weight (problems associated with the M-14).

There are many versions. The 7.62X39 version is an excellent deer rifle, firing the same bullet as the AK-47. There are versions that fire pistol calibers, like 45ACP, and 9MM. They are very popular with police departments, as they can fire the same round as there pistols. (making logicistics much more simple).

Russia has since switched from the AK-47 to the AK-74, which fires a smaller round like the M-16.

nick


Posted By: delta_for63
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 11:46pm

It is an AR-15 / M16 20 RD Magazine, They look like this new

 

 

 

 



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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 16 December 2007 at 12:41am

Originally posted by delta_for63 delta_for63 wrote:

It is an AR-15 / M16 20 RD Magazine, They look like this new

we all ready found out what it is, and it isent a AR-15 / M16 20 mag.



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