Forum Fitness Competition
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Topic: Forum Fitness Competition
Posted By: Tolgak
Subject: Forum Fitness Competition
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:38am
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For the next 6 months, we shall be involved in a fitness competition. The objectives and divisions are being worked on. There wont be any judges or anything (except in the aesthetic part), because the measurements will be qualitative. http://traineo.com/ - Traineo can help you log your efforts. You can start preparing now, but the first weigh-in (official start of the competition) will be on January 1st. Get your weight, running times, lifting ability, etc (depending on categories you wish to compete in), in on that date. ------------- 
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:43am
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If we use Traineo, I propose we use forumers in the competition as our "motivators."
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:47am
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It's probably not a bad idea to require it. At the very least it'll standardize calculation of BMI and record progress. -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:00am
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I already PT Monday Wendsday and Friday. Nire diesn't sound like fun.
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:16am
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I think I'm in. I've lost 14 pounds in the last 4 or 5 weeks, so hopefully I can keep going. ------------- 
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Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:47am
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I'm in, but I don't really need to lose much weight right now. I really just
need to bulk up a bit. |
Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:57am
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STOcocker wrote:Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:58am
Which is why I posted different categories. Post whatever you want when the time comes, and anything you put will be entered (whether you intend in competing in the categories or not). -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 10:07am
| i'd be in but i am on my own specific regimen that does use weights, but a lot of other things to get ready for iraq. i'm not looking to be jacked, more all lean muscle and endurance. otherwise i'd be in to get jacked. |
Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 10:29am
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Im in but right now my... BMI is 20.3 Run about a 7-8min mile 6' 150# with about 6-7% body fat. So we need different categories. -------------  |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 10:50am
An idea I had for measuring strength increase is weight lifted (in specific ways) over BMI.
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:07am
| aw thats not fair.. the more out of shapers will win cuz theres more room for improvement, but im in. BMI doesnt mean anyhting by the way, it just takes height/weight ratio, according to them my bmi is 27 and 29 + is "obese" haha |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:18am
The different categories allow for different types of people to get involved. If you see a better way to measure progress, then say so. And yes, the out of shapers will probably win most catagories. This is more to motivate us than it is for the people that already have healthy body weights. For the people who consider themselves in shape, you can compete for fastest runner or other things along those lines. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:25am
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Yeah, BMI has severe limitations. Those of us who are in some way athletic will have flawed BMIs indications due to BMI's assumptions about propotions of muscle, bone, and fat in a normal person. I'm a distance runner, for instance, so my legs have quite a lot of muscle and skew the BMI. A couple measurements that may be of use for cardiovascular: Timed Mile Timed 5km Timed 10km I did my 5km in 22 minutes and a few seconds... Haven't timed myself on the other two recently. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:26am
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pic/videos must be provided? most pushups/pull ups/curls etc/ most wieght put up in whatever exercise? i wish there was a way to cheaply find out body fat % |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:42am
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I'd be down for the lifting, but my shoulder is pretty much busted to hell.
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:05pm
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Longest endurance? Who can run/walk/jog the longest before collapsing? I planned to start doing stuff for other reasons anyway, so I'm in. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO! 
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:06pm
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no thanks... /me eats a frozen pizza and has a beer. |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:12pm
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If your looking for an exercise to compare strength id suggest clean and jerks. -edit- yeah 420 post, gotta go celebrate |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:14pm
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:29pm
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i win |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:37pm
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I'm in. Edit: when do we start? Also, Before/after pics are a must. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:39pm
The dimples on your stomach look like a cat. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:52pm
LOL you're not winning anything, pudgy. -------------
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 1:54pm
| You also gotta remember some people may be taking things like creatine and protien powders to help aid their lifting. |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 2:14pm
| I could probablyy only do the weight lifting competition. My mile time is 6:40 and I don't have enough weight to lose. I don't realy see myself getting a huge improvement on my mile, but my lift weight has gone down a few pounds. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:07pm
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How about this...we have two categories for each competition: Best improvement and best overall. That way those of us who are already in shape or naturally gifted athletes have something to actually shoot for. As far as competitions: Best 10 rep bench press ------------- 
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:22pm
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And what is to keep people from cheating? Either way, I will probably be in. I have been progressively getting fatter and I really need to loose it. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:30pm
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Roffle. My physical activity consists of drinking beer and playing WoW.
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Posted By: +DreX+
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:37pm
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lewl This is great for a runner like me.. Count me in; So far this season i'm running a 6 minute flat mile If they post some of my times for the indoor track meets, i'll let you know so far I max out at 140lbs bench press >.< ------------- Insert Fail Here |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:39pm
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What about age groups? Because like a 13 year old for instance against a 25 year old obviously has no shot.
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Posted By: RocoriSpartans
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:45pm
| Well I'm in i guess. Gotta get ready for racing might as well start now. |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:50pm
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i think i'd be in if this competition wasn't so damn competitive...
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 4:36pm
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 4:38pm
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 4:41pm
I like this a lot. These should be the categories, and if anyone feels the need to refine them, then put up your ideas. As for proof... I'd like it to be on your honor, because I doubt anyone is going to want to watch a few hours worth of video of forumers working out to authenticate anything. For aesthetic appearance, that can be judged. For a time frame: 6 months, with first "weigh-in" on new year's day. It gives us all ample time to plan an exercise schedule/eating plan, get used to said exercise schedules/eating plans, and gives us the time to get all the initial measurements of performance in each category. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 4:43pm
Because of the ubiquity of that, I'd say it's fair. But steroids are out of the question (users tend to have muscular manboobs and the huge gain in muscle mass makes their heads look shrunken) -------------
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 4:50pm
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So it all begins New Years Day? -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 5:09pm
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im in but i wont be starting until the 7th or 8th. my gym membership is up here at school, and im at home until the 7th. this'll give me more reason to go more times a week, good idea. ------------- 
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 5:49pm
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 5:53pm
Why would pride have anything to do with it? Protein and creatine are both completely naturally occurring in the body... I understand that anabolic steroids mimic and force the extra production of testosterone, but it's not the same. It's a supplement, and must still be worked with as hard, and most times harder, for them to be effective. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 5:55pm
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Um. By this Saturday I would have lost about 10 lbs and be equal to or under 3% body fat, and still be fully hydrated. Do I win? ------------- 
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 5:58pm
I can shens, 3% body fat is hardly possible. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:03pm
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All i know is i personally felt better working out without creatine, It made me feel like a **edited** having to use some supplement to help get to where i wanted to be. Eating right and excercising right is the way to go i find. But as u know its all personal preference. I have no problem with protein cause its just food. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:08pm
Last year I pulled under 3% and had to get a doctors approval to wrestle. Now do I win? -------------
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Posted By: +DreX+
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:11pm
Whats your best mile time? and whats your current mile time? beat a 5:07 Mile :P Currently I'm running a nice relaxed 6 min mile :) ------------- Insert Fail Here |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:15pm
I don't really like to run, so I avoid it as much as possible. If I happen to get into my bro's track practice I'll see if he can time me for a mile. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:39pm
I'm not so sure age will be a big problem considering the majority of us here (and the ones who I suspect would take part in this) are 16-24. When you're comparing people, just be sure to look for height, weight, etc.
And then, you have your people who lift regularly, see increases in their lifts, use protein, eat right, and still do not gain any weight. <<<<<<<<<<< Also, when does this begin? Since football season has ended, I started lifting this past week. Also, looking at this traineo site, is it just for people looking to lose weigh and get in shape? Or if it also for recording lifts and such? ------------- 
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 7:12pm
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skipped reading the whole third page. Categories: Age, weight? Measuring Improvement in lifts: Percent increase on original lift max? Running: Times, we could always do the mile, 5k, 10k, 100m, 200m. You have to include distance runners and sprinters. Weight Loss: Again, percent of weight lost. It has to be equal, like on the biggest loser or whatever Supplements: Whey should be allowed, but not creatine or n20 or any other supplements like that, i'd vote on that |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:44pm
Still, 16-24 is a big difference. At 19-20 your just about done growing. Anyone less than 19 probably won't stand a chance. Maybe the categories should be like: <15 15-17 17-19 19-23 23+ -------------
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:01pm
this is me now:
this is how i would like to be: 
I really really to exericise. i've gotta get toned. but it's hard to find time right now with finals coming up. ------------- 
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:03pm
| You look better now, just throwing it out there though. Chicks with mad deffinition in thier abs is gross. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:14pm
| /me was disappointed today. I wanted to go for a swim, but the pool was closed (due to aids). |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:16pm
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Posted By: RocoriSpartans
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:16pm
| Well I don't know about anybody else but I like Dye's age classes, because being in the younger side of this I'll get stomped in lifting but in the 100m and 200m I'd have a pretty good chance. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:18pm
| I motion to have an aesthetic category as well. Sporx, Clark and anyone else secure enough in their masculinity can judge. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:21pm
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:24pm
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Sporx, shut up. You're more than fine the way you are now.
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:25pm
I think the Firefox dictionary screwed me on that one. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:26pm
Sporx, seriously, could you be more fat? |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:27pm
No. Your English teacher did. -------------
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Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:21am
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I bench 255 about 3 reps before failure (free weight no machine crap.)
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:28am
| so whats the deadline to sign up for this and when will definite rules be in place? |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:39am
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I'm just going to put on a fatsuit and lie about my weight. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 1:43am
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But seriously...
There's no way I will do that. Lifting weights is one thing. Running = not happening. -------------
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 6:20am
ive done 295 a few times with a little spot, but on set like 3 or 4 so idk what i can do fresh |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:17pm
I'm in for sure... BUT! I don't really have much time/money to go to the Gym a lot... I also Smoke, so... Running No way in hell.... I walk a  load at work.. I probably average around 1-3miles a day... SOOO...I'm In for sure. I need this more then anyone knows. I recently got on a scale and about hung myself right their. Height: 5'6 Weight: 213lbs I'm going to Start a little Earlier then you guys, but my progress will be EXTREMELY slow, due to I don't want fast results... (fast results = Fat in 6-months) I want to Try and loose 70lbs by next year... I'm sick of wearing XL-2XL shirts and 38" pants... It's disgusting... Also! Me personally I will hand out prize $$$ to somethings... Though I'm not sure if this is entirely trustworthy(I know some of you are but not all)
Remember for you Males, cut back on Soda pop, Beer, Fast Food(including pizza) and you will probably automatically loose 30lbs in 6-months if not sooner. Mmmm... Eat up on that celery!! (Panda Man's Imagine Coming Soon!) ------------- 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:52pm
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If there is money involved, I am 10x more dedicated. -------------
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 1:14pm
God I hope not. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 2:27pm
I don't really like them either, I was just throwing them out there. I'm also on the (extremely) young side being that I just had my birthday like a few days ago. Oh well. -------------
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Posted By: +DreX+
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 4:38pm
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OKay here's some pre-workout starting ness... Age: 17 Height: 5'8" Weight: 135 and its all muscle :P Highest Bench to date: 127.5 lbs [I'm a runner lay off me :S ] Fastest time to date for a 5k: 18:57.2 Fastest for a 10k: Have yet to do it, but i'll put a run in are we going to do sprints, like a 200m a 400m a possible 800m and so on? idk if theres anything else; I'll look and see if those times were posted on the internet. I ran for a few Olympic Qualifying 5k races so the times should still be up. [Note I'm not saying im an olympic runner, I just ran a 5k race that counted as one] Those ethiopians run fast... ------------- Insert Fail Here |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 4:48pm
kenyans... ITS KENYANS -------------
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 5:25pm
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Tell you guys what, we'll settle this the roman way.
All you guys run and lift all ya want and when your ready, pm me....then i'll drive down there and we'll have a brawl. Sounds stupid, i know. But it is the ultimate test in overall fitness. If you win, i'll give you a gold star. until then, the BMI is bull. I'm 6'3 255Lbs which makes me morbidly obese on the BMI. however. I can run the 10 k in 45-50 minutes. bench 275 for 10 push-ups and stuff...well....no bragging, right? Just saying this is bogus, people cannot be competing unless you have a set different forum for each TYPE of fitness level. Just thought i'd throw that out there. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 6:00pm
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 6:39pm
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 6:52pm
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My best ever mile is 8 minutes.
Beat that. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 7:01pm
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Im suprised nobody screamed "ZOMG SPORXZ, A LITTLE HIGHER" or something. Women and their attempts for attention. Psh :P ------------- 
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 7:02pm
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Mines like 10. I was out of breath after doing a nice calm jog for the whole thing. -------------
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Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 7:20pm
i take muay thai, WWWYAAAAA!! |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 7:27pm
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Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 9:46pm
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I had a salad for dinner, it was teh sux. Not filling at all. And Thor, I'd take you on. I don't have the strength/weight, I would probably lose, but I've got technique. I've got some MCMAP and a half a decade of Karate to back me up. ------------- Suck, sqeeze, bang, blow, and GO!
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 9:48pm
Salads suck, I hate them. I prefer a fruit salad over a regular salad. Way more satisfying. And how are we doing this, because in overall fitness, I think I can take this. But I might lack in benching and running department. Aswell as the total amount of pounds lost. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 11:12pm
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Salads are good if you have a bunch of fattening crap over the lettuce. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 11:22pm
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My dad and I started a vegetarian (eventually will be vegan) diet the day before I posted this, just for the hell of fit. I hope it helps. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 12:11am
I did one in the 6:50-s one time because I was getting embarassed with all the freshmen passing me, a senior (gym class). But I'm definately more of an 8-minute kind of guy. Cigarettes don't help that much either. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 12:14am
Why? Steak > rabbit food. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 12:26am
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For the past few weeks, my dad and I have been cooking some awesome food nearly every night. While we both love any food with meat in it, we were talking about dinner a few days ago when the idea came to make something that didn't include it. We kept talking about what we could make and the idea came to go vegetarian for at least a month. The point is to see how well we can handle going without meat for so long and what recopies we can come up with that'll last us the month. We soon agreed that it wouldn't be a challenge to us unless we cut off as many animal-based products as possible. The first two weeks is to ween us off of meat, the remainder of the time will be spent vegan, and could go past 2 two weeks if we feel like it. Now that I created this competition, I think it could be beneficial for me to try the diet (vegetarians are usually quite skinny people). Are those enough reasons for you? -------------
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 1:52am
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umm...i love veggies and meats. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 1:59am
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So are starving children in third world countries. I've lost at least 35 pounds since I started smoking and working full time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 8:30am
*Ahem* Healthily skinny people. -------------
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 8:37am
| if your working out how are u going to get proper protien for the morning, after workouts and before bed? protien powders? |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 8:45am
so its harder to loose weight off of a proper diet, then it is to follow a propler diet and workout everyday to everyother day? I find it funny how it's psychologicaly harder when u just need to loose weight but its extremely easy when your following a similar diet and working out everyday. I dunno, I've lost 50 pounds before, and i can say that was actually pretty easy. All you have to do is stop eating crap and walk for about an hour or two everyn night. Took me about 6 months and i lost a good 50 pounds doing that. Working out to look good on the other hand is a hell of alot harder. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:34am
Exactly! This is what I dont understand... humans a very wierd animals... They wont do it if it makes them live longer, makes them last longer in the sack, makes them look 10x better but... OH!!! if their is some sort of money/coin involved... they are all over it.  Also about the whole "Muscle training isn't hard" I know its hard, but you really dont have to stop eating garbadge to gain muscle. you'll just look really "bulky" when "larger" people loose massive ammounts of weight they actually go psycholigical effects... I'm sorry but "larger" people have some sort of "addiction" to certin foods. Like me... I'm a sucker for The Baconator, and Pancakes with lots of butter. this has to do with all that "endorphment(sp)" crap... I know running creates endorphments but so does food... and the average American is way to lazy to go out for a run to get "feel good high" He/she would rather sit back and munch on chips or Icecream and they get the same "I feel better" feeling... also, when someone looses 50lbs they have to buy almost an entire new set of clothes(another reason why I jacked that price up) and they will become more "Accpeting" to alot of people they wouldn't normally be with. -------------
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Posted By: +DreX+
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 4:19pm
Yeah, I can understand that I usually avoid fast food because I feel horrible after eating it. Imho if you have 4 square meals a day [ atleast a 66% of the food pyramid, you're pretty much set] At least thats how i roughly judge my weekly consumption- there are days where I'll just eat real healthy and like one a week where i have a sweet or something, not really too much to make any difference. ------------- Insert Fail Here |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 4:22pm
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:18am
| Soooo... Is this over now? Or next month? Hows everybody doing? |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:23am
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::eats donut::
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:25am
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The 6 months will end on July 2nd, as the competition was officially to start on new years day with the first weigh in. We could do a weigh in right now. Let's put in our results in the next few days. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:33am
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I wasn't in before but I have lost 15 pounds in the last 3 months. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: T RAV29
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 11:26am
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dont need to lose weight |
