I can turn you atheist/agnostic
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Topic: I can turn you atheist/agnostic
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Subject: I can turn you atheist/agnostic
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:31pm
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First I will start off by asking, if you aren't already atheist/agnostic, how and why don't you consider yourself to be so?
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:33pm
| Here we go. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:33pm
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Because I believe in a God that is present in our everyday lives.
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:34pm
Why would you believe that? ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
jerseypaint wrote:Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:35pm
| You can have your religion, just keep it the hell away from politics and other things that actually matter and effect our life. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:35pm
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Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:36pm
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This isn't the right way to get people to join our satanic cult of fornicators. We have to kill people like Stalin and Mao did. ------------- 
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:37pm
For what reason do you believe that? ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:38pm
Personal searching and research. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:39pm
For what reason do you not believe that? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:41pm
Can you provide an example from research that led you to believe there is a creator? ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:41pm
Because I have no reason to. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:42pm
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Is this just going to be a never ending responses of "why?"?
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Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:43pm
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:44pm
If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this. Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:45pm
Until they talk themself into a corner of some sort. |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:45pm
I only needed to ask "why" once: In my first post. But your first response didn't tell me, so I had to ask again. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:45pm
What is your reason not to? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:47pm
You've got it all wrong. DEATH OF THE FIDEL IS CALLED FOR!!! -------------
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:48pm
Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life? ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:48pm
/bookasandfails ------------- 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:49pm
How have you proven to yourself that there isin't? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:50pm
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You can do this with any belief including agnostic... Why not let people believe what they want. If it bothers you that much, maybe you are the one that really needs to be questioning what you believe. ------------- |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:51pm
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Agnostic. I think the idea of God is kinda silly, but I am not sure. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:52pm
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“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into” -Jonathan Swift -------------
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:53pm
I'm confused now and need to rephrase this for myself. So you're asking: "What is your reason for not having a reason to believe in a creator of some sort?" Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:54pm
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:56pm
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:56pm
now im atheist but i can provide an argument for believers...you said it yourself...believe...thats the point, you believe it exists. just like little kids believe santa exists, whether he does or not, how is it hurting you? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:57pm
Proven how? Science is faith. As for me, I am a sort of modified agnostic and I draw beliefs from many religions/faiths. I find that many aethiests are annoying and smug about it. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 9:57pm
I am never really dead-set in my ways as far as believing in something or not, so maybe I am a bad person to be trying to do this nifty little "OMG UR CHRISTIAN UR DUMB" thing on, since I tend to agree that Christianity is idiotic. I consider myself a Deist. I believe in a overall supreme being, however I believe that this being does not interfere in everyday life. Whatever this being is, it has overseen the evolution of life on the planet, and created a world of logic and reason based on certain natural principles. This is why I don't believe in creationism, miracles, etc. Part of my belief in this comes through simply looking around at the world and seeing patterns and influences in mankind. Part of it comes through thinking that the absolute disbelief in anything at all (atheism) is a little boring and hopeless. Part of it comes through a personal belief that something is out there somewhere. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:00pm
Deist? Never heard this before, I need an explanation. From what you said, we seem to share similar beliefs. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:00pm
So if it can't be proven, you don't believe it? -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:01pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deist - Link that can explain it better than I can Also, recommended reading in Paine's The Age of Reason. -------------
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:07pm
Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Doesn't need a reason, faith is believing in th absence of reason, proof, etc. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:09pm
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:10pm
Fair enough. Developing a legitimate philosophical belief such as that, having no sort of code of conduct to live by, is okay to me. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:12pm
So, in other words, you're saying it is impossible to prove something does not exist? ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:16pm
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I'll bite, I would be fairly confident in saying that it would be impossible to prove that something does not exist, how would one prove something does not exist unless they have seen everything? |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:20pm
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Just because you can make something up in your head, does not at all mean its nonexistence is suddenly unprovable. You don't need to see everything to know that.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:22pm
No, you must have faith that what you hear is correct. To believe science, is faith. Some of the smartest people in history disagreed publically with what was known as scienticic "truth". ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:24pm
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Can you find me one thing that you can absolutely prove to me does not exist? |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:25pm
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Since scientific truth these days is grounded in tons of evidence, faith has little to do with believing it. Faith plays a part when someone tells you something is science, yet it isn't (creationism).
For something to be considered existent, there must be evidence in its favor, not lack of evidence to the contrary. No evidence against is no evidence either way. -------------
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:32pm
It would be silly to find something and prove to you it doesn't exist if I a was able to find something in the first place. It's almost like trying to disprove the existence of a pencil I am holding in front of your face. It would be pretty hard for you to do that wouldn't it? Maybe if you tried hard enough you could force your mind into a state of insanity to convince yourself the pen isn't there. The absence of physical evidence should be proof enough, unless you are just nonsensical like that. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:34pm
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No, you still need faith to believe anything.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:37pm
I believe I am a 17 year old white boy. I need no faith. ------------- 
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:40pm
Exactly... carl, what are you saying? Even if something is proven, the only reason you believe it is due to faith? Because that isn't what faith is. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:42pm
Would you not need to place faith in the system of measuring time to believe that you are indeed 17 years old? Would you need to believe the people that tell you when your birthday is? I don't mean to break anyone stones, just playing devil advocate here. |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:45pm
Okay in that case. I believe I have brown hair. WOULD I NOT NEED FAITH TO KNOW MY EYES SEE THE RIGHT COLOR?! -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:47pm
You need faith to believe that it is actually proven. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:49pm
Once again wouldn't you need to have faith in what you learned was brown is actually brown? Wouldn't you need to have faith that your eyes are working properly and you are not colorblind? |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:50pm
you would. i have many arguments with people over colors ranging from navy blue to purple. these have come up so often with so mny different people that i now believe what they tell me, based on faith. i have no proof they are right. -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 10:54pm
where's your empirical evidence? i thought you needed it before you believed something. if you're so certain a god doesnt exist, prove it. show me physical evidence that there isnt one. and before you tell me to show you evidence there is one, im not the one trying to change peoples minds. if you're going to try to prove something to change the way people think, you had better be able to back it up. "because your beliefs are silly" isnt proof. -------------
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:10pm
Say I said "I believe in the wobzump. You cannot prove the wobzump does not exist, therefore it exists." Do you not see that this is a ridiculous argument? Unless you for some reason believe me about the wobzump, how are you to prove to me it doesn't exist? There is no physical evidence for you to say it doesn't exist, so that means it exists. That's basically what you are saying. There has to be evidence of the wobzump in order to assert its existence. Because there is none, this is should be reason enough to safely say that the wobzump is imaginary. If you want to call that "faith", I guess you can go ahead, but I honestly don't see how a normal person cannot find that belief in something without evidence to be true is silly. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:12pm
Challenging to prove a negative is bad logic. It cannot be done for either side, and therefore shouldn't be used as a defense. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:20pm
I don't see why it's so illogical for a supreme being (IE: God) to have some code of conduct. Think about it... somewhere along the line something happened to humans. They developed something called morals and values. It makes perfect sense to me that God was the one who instilled those in us. What other explanation do you have for it? People say that they just naturally know not to kill people, steal, etc... How? No other animal on Earth evolved with those values, why us? ------------- 
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Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:22pm
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i find it hard to believe that out of all these planets and all this space that there is only one god and he decided to reside on our measly planet... if there were a god he could have made us be able to exist on other planets... but also to some extent i do believe there is some form of higher being at times... but like Deists, i believe that it doesnt interfere with anything for the most part i just try to stay out of arguments so i can be happy with people .... which is what i just didnt do.. oh well my ex was one of those hardcore christians that was just shy of putting a gun to someones head to try and convert them to christianity also... there are so many religions, most of which think all others are wrong.. so then again how do you know what is really right mostly i just dont care and just go about living my life..religion just gets in the way of me living my life... i spend my sundays chillin out, working on my car, and playing paintball .. not being unhappy dressed uncomfortably in some shurch ------------- Xbl:PhantomReign97 
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:22pm
im not saying just because you cant prove it doesnt exist means it does, just that it could.
when people believe something based largely on faith, and someone else is trying to change their beliefs, the only way to do it is to prove it. normally i'd agree that it shouldnt be used as a defense, but given the faith-based nature of the subject under scrutiny, i believe it works in this situation. -------------
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:30pm
We aren't challenging your faith. If you were to honestly believe in wobzump no one here would be able to disprove or prove it's existence. Your faith would be enough for you to believe and that's all that matters. Whatever help to keep you chugging along is your own business. Have you managed to convert anyone here to atheism/ agnosticism yet? It is quite obvious that faith is a mystery. Whether you have religious, of faith in the goodness of humanity, or just enough faith in yourself to believe you can do whatever it is you do, it should not be anyone's goal to try to change one faith or belief system. As long as they are not hurting anyone, why should it matter if they wake up every morning and gain confidence from looking to the sky and asking God, Allah, Yahweh, Buddha, or the sun for guidance? I am not saying that you have ill Intentions but what do you plan to accomplish here? If someone has a belief in something I doubt a conversation on the internet will change their mind. I look at it his way, don't fix what isn't broken, and if people are doing just fine believing or not believing in whatever it is they do/ don't believe why bother changing it? |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:35pm
| Even the Bible says that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:36pm
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Because perhaps those without faith feel so insecure without God at their side that they need to lash out and make themselves feel better than believers.
You see very few believers "bashing" atheists. Possibly attempting to convert them, but not calling them "stupid" or "idiotic." It's funny to me that almost every atheist I've met feels the need to bash Christians/other religious people. -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:36pm
whose to say it/they didnt populate other planets as well? -------------
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:38pm
Truth. This thread reversed would be shunned for being some evangelical drivel, or preaching, and would be reduced to a flame war. But preaching the gospel of agnosticism is ok for some reason? |
Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:38pm
i meant like if a god wanted us to be able to find those other populations on other planets... or able to to be able to exist in multiple environments more harsh than our current
I've come across many Christians that have bashed non-believers ------------- Xbl:PhantomReign97
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:41pm
Just another one of those political correctness loads of junk that says if you want to express any form personal belief or opinion you are wrong. |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:51pm
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I give up. God is real. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:56pm
prove it -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:58pm
Is "bashing" calling you a sinner? I'm really curious to know what these Christians said. Just to clarify my beliefs a bit, I believe in the Christian God, but also believe that the Bible is most likely very distorted from what God actually said/commanded. Therefore I try to live according to what I personally draw from the Bible, not what some priest tells me. -------------
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:59pm
I don't need to, I have faith, and without it I wouldn't get into Heaven. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: ctchofday
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:02am
Nah not calling anyone a sinner... but i did hear someone calling someone else stupid for not believing in God.. and on a few occasions idiots... mostly questions someones intelligence for their non-believing ------------- Xbl:PhantomReign97
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Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:03am
While the Bible is a great source for believers, it is in no way the basis of all of your faith. I could live my life exactly by the Bible, but that alone would not make me a believe in God. So you are perfectly correct in not just using the Bible as the source of your beliefs. As for why I believe in God, it is really hard for me to explain to someone who isn't open for event he idea of a God. Not to mention the fact that it is way to personal for me to tell to someone that I don't even know. |
Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:04am
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I believe in god and that isn't gonna change no matter how much science and facts you can come up with. It's true I cannot prove he exists, but can you prove he doesn't exist? ------------- 
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:04am
roflcoptorz -------------
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:06am
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By George I think he's got it, he doesn't have to explain his faith! Nor should he. Just to let you know I'm pretty much Agnostic or if not that something of the sort. Now that I think about it I don't know what I am. What do they call a person that has no clue? |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:09am
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Well, I'm sure some will do it, but I was mainly comparing percentages of atheists I've met vs. believers in any religion. It seems like the only thing most atheists I've talked to have to say about religion is "God's dumb, Christians are stupid," etc. And when you ask them why, "Because dude, it's stupid to believe in something you can't see."
You would never hear me call someone an idiot for something they believe in. I might think they're wrong, but you don't win people over to your side by insulting their intelligence. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:18am
BLASPHEMY! ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY WOBZUMP!!!  -------------
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:42am
| Official religion of Tippmann forum: Wobzumpianity |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:50am
Wrong. It's Wobzumpity. We don't need no steenkeen' "ian"s. -------------
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:00am
When did I ever shun science? Who ever said that science and Christianity were mutually exclusive thoughts? This thread was loaded from the start. It put the burden of proof on people to prove that God exists, when anyone knows that you cannot prove God's existence. However, the inability to prove God won't convert anyone to atheism, therefore, this thread fails. |
Posted By: GhilleMan
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:13am
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booksandleaves, why do you care about what other people on this forum believe in, I mean personally I walk along the lines carl says, but you seem like aweful insecure, "hehe look you cant prove god exists, and I pointed it out (LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON WHO DOESNT THINK GOD EXISTS) so you are gonna turn atheist or agnostic, please, grow up. Go to the middle east and tell them allah doesnt exist and mohhamend was doin shrooms.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:45am
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How many people here can prove atoms exist? Prove it, not offer someone else's proof, because empirical evidence, hearsay and cos someone said aren't accepted here.
I'm suprised no one has mentioned how coincidental it is that background radiation of the universe, earths distance from the sun, earth's magnetic field, ionic bond strength and a million billion other "coincidences" required for us to be here AREN'T proof of a God. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:59am
This thread was a pointless exercise in futility from the start. You can't win this argument, that's been proven time and time again on this forum. I'm guessing somebody just wanted to rattle some cages. Otherwise, as I've said before, believing that either atheism or Christianity offers a final answer to every faith-based question is idiocy. You don't take a belief to be right, you take it to provide yourself with the satisfaction that you're comfortable in your motivations. The epicenter of any faith is the knowledge that you're morally right, and that your existence is justified and fulfilling. When you try to read more into it than that, and attempt to use your beliefs or lack thereof as a measuring stick for the universe, that's when your beliefs will fail you. I believe there are things that I do not, and will never understand. My belief in God fills those voids, and my religious beliefs provide me with a moral checklist and a little balance. The fact that there are elitist jackasses that think I'm a moron means absolutely nothing to me, and doesn't move or shake me one bit. And one last thing. If you are at a point where your religion is in any way impacted by scientific fact and reasoning, you should probably re-examine it. If what I see contradicts what I believe, there's an issue for me. I'm not talking about theories, opinions, or conflicting ideas, but actual scientific FACT. Because if you believe God created a perfect universe, why would He act and behave in a way that contradicts His own design? That's all I've got to say. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 5:58am
And how do you know this happens? When was the last time you sat down to tea with God and asked him what his overall design was? All you have that supposedly outlines his design is a second or third hand translation of 2000 year old documents, what were written by humans. God did not fax down a copy of his design. It has been interpreted by humans. That is always the weak link. KBK |
Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 7:35am
And as far as disproving god goes... Screw it! I have logic that god is quite evil, a truly malevolent being, and not worthy of anyone's praise. ------------- Hey MPAA, Guess what? 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0! |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 7:55am
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I admit, this was mainly toward Christians, and the title shouldn't have been what it is, because I knew from the start it would be impossible to do. What I was originally asking for was a reason or the reasons of believers to keep faith in God. What kept them continuously believing in something that is yet to be proven to them. For instance, someone could've responded with that their prayers have been answered before, or that they want to get into Heaven. Instead I was bombarded with reverse comebacks, basically "Why not?". Yes of course, the possibility of something's existence is always there when it hasn't been proven to exist, but it's silly to say that because ANYTHING we make up can instantly possibly exist. For you, God may be different because... (put the answer I'm looking for here) ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 9:57am
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I'm not really sure what I believe in. Maybe there is a God, maybe there isn't, it's up to the individual to decide. What I extremely dislike about SOME religions is how they assume anyone who doesn't believe in God needs to be "saved". Who are they to say I need to repent and be devout? |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 10:26am
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 10:45am
Ok, I'll bite. I've got nothing else to do today. I belive in God because He brings me comfort and there are times in my life when I believe I have had Divine help. Because I BELIEVE I have seen enough proof of God's existence, I believe there is a God. KBK |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 10:51am
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I don't belive in "Athiesm" the same reason you don't belive religion, I think Athiest's are just a strung out group that have nothing to say other then old lines of Bull ------------- 
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. Also, have you ever seen an "athiest" help your family when in dire need?Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:00am
Are you serious? Your first 2 replies were exactly that, reverse combacks. Then your next couple were pretty much the same thing also. This was the worst poopy-stirrer thread in a while. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:05am
I think you need to get out more...
Says who?
I don't know. I suspect not from Matt, but I don't know. So what? ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:17am
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I don't know about the srung out comment but in my experiences, athiests
are generally smug about being athiests. They seem to think that they are better than people of religion (especially chrsitians). It also bothers me that aethiests can't accept science and religion working together at all. Science and religion don't have to be opposites, even when it comes to creationism/evolution. Even though I don't go to church, I know that he has a point about family help. Churches are very good at looking after their members. I have seen churches do amazing things to help people. It is the belief in religion that brings them together to do good. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:23am
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Fixed. There are millions of atheists in the world - most of them never talk about their beliefs, and many don't even really think of themselves as atheists. Most are perfectly nice people.
Except that there are tons of atheists in churches. Many of those family-friendly folk helping each other in the name of Christ are atheists. Your Sunday-school teacher could be an atheist. Moreover, there are entire nations that are basically atheist. Yet they manage to be helpful and nice anyway. Yes, organized religion has accomplished many fine things and does much good in the world. But it's not like atheists are a bunch of Mr. Burns-like grinches plotting how to make life miserable for believers. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:30am
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Except internet athiests, they are especially smug.
They were still brought together in church by religion. If they believe in it or not, they were still brought together by a system what wouldn't be there if there was no religion. I don't go to sunday-school, I do not have a religion. Once again, internet athiests do that exactly. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:36am
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And once again, by "internet atheists" you mean "smug obnoxious people that yell about atheism on the internet", not "normal people on the internet who happen to be atheist". Most atheists are just that - most people. They don't go talking about it, or yelling about it. Heck, American atheists are most likely trying their darndest to pretend to be Christians. The last thing they want is to be loud-mouthed about it. Your sample is horribly skewed. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:39am
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There's a difference?
Is it really? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:40am
its true -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 12:10pm
| so this thread started as someone trying to prove there is no god to lets attack people thread. why do you care so much to prove there is no god? accept that people believe it, it may suck they dont agree with you, regardless how wrong or correct you may be they wont change their opinion. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:41pm
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You've all yet to convert me from Deism, noobs. I'm not really seeing any evidence against a god, just evidence FOR science. ------------- 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:51pm
QFT -------------
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