Tim Tebow
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Topic: Tim Tebow
Posted By: Da Hui
Subject: Tim Tebow
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 3:46pm
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Won the Hiesmen. First Sophomore in history to accomplish such a thing.
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 3:57pm
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Grats on the accomplishment. I wasn't too surprised by the decision.
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 4:06pm
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He didn't deserve it. If Colt Brennan was written off as a system quarterback, why does Tim Tebow get a free pass? Darren McFadden deserved it. He has been the best player in the country for the past two years.
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 5:17pm
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Darren McFadden or Colt should have won.
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 5:33pm
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I knew Tebow was gunna win, but I was really hoping Colt would. ------------- 
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 7:33pm
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i wanted Colt to win it.
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 7:43pm
Why the hell do people like Colt so much? I live in Hawaii and don't understand. He plays in the WAC conference, the hardest game they played all year was Boise State. The even had to go into overtime with San Jose State. Tim Tebow made all his accomplishments in the SEC, hands down hardest conference in college football. You can make the argument that Colt can't help his conference, but he could before he accepted the Hawaii QB spot. He's good, but nowhere near as tested a Tebow. ------------- |
Roll Tide wrote:Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 7:44pm
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I was rooting for McFadden, especially since he gave us an open door to the national title/Fiesta Bowl. You can't argue with his consistent high yardage.
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:04pm
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I was rooting for McFadden. He pretty much beat LSU by himself. He did amazing, even though I was rooting for LSU. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:34pm
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McFadden deserved it more than Tebow. Hell, Kevin Smith from UCF deserved more of a nomination than Tebow. I dare say rushing for 2,448 yards for 114 points in a single season is Heisman nomination worthy. Of course he didn't even break the top 5 in votes because he is not in the precious SEC. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:42pm
You saying the SEC isn't the hardest conference in college football? ------------- |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:45pm
I cannot find that anywhere in my post, however, no, I don't think the SEC is the hardest. -------------
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:47pm
I agree with you but Im just wondering what you think is the hardest conference. ------------- |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:50pm
I don't think there is a "hardest conference." I think each conference has its major contenders, and that each conference is good in its own group. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:50pm
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I'm curious as well... I have my predictions on what's coming though. ------------- |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:01pm
I don't like Colt. I was just saying that if he's written off as a system QB, people should also look at the system Timmy Tebow plays in. If you looked at my sig you would see that I don't need convincing as to what the best conference in the country is. LSU will display this fact yet again on January 7th. To Whale, I hope you are being sarcastic because the SEC is far and away the best conference in the country. Darren McFadden played against competition LIGHT YEARS better than what Kevin Smith played against. The SEC is the NFL Light, whereas the C-USA is lucky to get a couple players drafted each year. Not to detract from Smith's accomplishments, because over 2,000 yards is highly impressive. To even argue that the SEC isn't the best conference in the country shows either bias or complete ignorance. My Heisman ballot would've looked something like this: 1. Darren McFadden 2. Tim Tebow 3. Dennis Dixon 4. Matt Ryan 5. Glenn Dorsey My argument against Tim Tebow is against his SYSTEM, not his talents. Sure, he is one of the most athletic players we have ever seen, likely the best dual threat QB ever. However, his 51 TDs (29 passing, 22 rushing) were a result of the system. 15 of his 22 rushing TDs were under 5 yards. Every time the Gators got to the goal line, they called Timmy's number. Also, I think supporting cast needs to be taken into account. Tebow has Percy Harvin, Andre Caldwell, Brandon James, and other phenoms around him. Look at UF's roster and you see talent from top to bottom. Look at Arkansas' roster. Darren McFadden, Felix Jones (back-up to DMAC), and several very good lineman. That's it. No hot-shot QB or all-world receivers. Arkansas' 8-4 record isn't all that impressive, but McFadden had to do it against 7-8 guys keying in on him on almost every play. Tebow had a slew of receivers and backs he could dump the ball off to. McFadden would lower his shoulders and do it himself. With all that being said, I expect Tim Tebow to win the Heisman at least one more time, because he will definitely be a 4-year player for the Gators. I'm glad Florida doesn't rotate onto Alabama's schedule until after he is gone, because he scares the living hell out of me. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:14pm
I think that's why Tim got it over Mcfadden. The dual threat is the main reason alone is half the Florida wins. In my mind, the Heisman is the most dynamic and beneficial. Did Tebow get some brownie points because he's young? Of course, I'm not naive, but which team stands to lose more games? Florida without Tebow or Arkansas without Mcfadden? It's a coin toss, but I'm taking Tebow. And I'm not even arguing the Kevin Smith idea, the only reason something that thoughtless came out was because you go to UCF. You don't see Apu on here whining about a certain someone from WV not even getting acknowledged. ------------- |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:16pm
Or because he is the top rusher in the country... Also, I do think you kindly missed the part where I said McFadden deserved it. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:21pm
Put him in the SEC and he wouldn't be. ------------- |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:23pm
We know this of course how exactly? -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:29pm
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:31pm
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ZOMG, an argument based on hypothetical events! -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 9:33pm
Well, that statement could be in German ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 2:25pm
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 3:25pm
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 3:32pm
DMac doesn't get "points" for being a dual-threat? He can run, throw, hand it off, and does it with less help than anyone else. Let alone, I think that potential should be a part of it. Tim Tebow will never do anything worthwhile in the NFL. He doesn't have the speed that a mobile quarterback has to have to make up for less than exceptional passing abilities, and you can't run a QB dive for 7 yards in the NFL. McFadden is all-around more versatile and chock-full of potential. EDIT: And as far as who deserves the Heisman year after next?  Freshman Season, after only starting 13 games he threw for 2,251 yards and ran for 1,153 more. And he lead us to a national championship game win. This year he's got a passer rating of 153.72, is averaging 175pypg(1,750 in less than 10 full games) and 149.9 rushing yards per game. Anybody that can amass 3,249 yards after playing in 10 games, which he left by halftime in at least 2 or 3 of them deserves consideration. The Southern Conference is tougher than the WAC, has more victories over FBS teams than any other conference, and had plenty of teams play close with big time teams.(Us with Michigan, Citadel with Wisconsin was tied at halftime, etc.) ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 3:35pm
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I know it's a scary thought, but I agree with you. |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 5:05pm
I agree with you, but I'm just going to play a little devil's advocate here. Potential is not a part of it. The Heisman trophy is clearly designated to be awarded to the most outstanding player in college football for that season. Since the conception of ESPN, it's the player with the most hype surrounding him. That's how the likes of Eric Crouch (cringe) won the trophy. When Tim Tebow was a senior in high school, he agreed to announce his decision on where to play college football live on ESPN. It came down to Alabama and Florida, he wisely chose Florida (Alabama's system would've ruined him). Ever since then, ESPN has been advertising him like a cheap whore. On to Timmy's potential, I think you may be wrong. He has a rocket arm and has showed good accuracy at times too. He doesn't have good speed but the guy is literally a fullback. He may be slow but he's 6'3" 240, almost all of which is muscle. He will make it in the NFL because he's incredibly gifted. Will he be as successful as DMAC? That's highly unlikely because McFadden is destined for super stardom. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 6:32pm
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If you do not believe the SEC isn't the hardest conference than you obviously do not watch college football. ------------- 
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