A question on Iran
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Topic: A question on Iran
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: A question on Iran
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:01pm
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I have a question for those here about Iran and WMD's. Since Iran denies its nuclear weapons program and our intelligence? claims that the program stopped in 2003, why would Iran develope a 2000km ranged ground launched, payload balistic missile?
Militarily and financially a high explosive warhead would be ineffective on this type delievery system. The "bang" for the buck ratio is way too small. To justify research and manufacture and deployment a WMD warhead either nuclear/chemical/biological must be the end result. So why would Iran dump so much money into an ineffective weapon system unless it plans to place a WMD class warhead on it? http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847322495&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull - http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847322495&pag ename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ------------- 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:08pm
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Because they are building wmd's? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:09pm
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Because it'll launch plague cows a lot farther than a trebuchet. Duh. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:11pm
| Trebuchets are a lot of fun |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:12pm
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Those plague cows are horrible. They got my bro last year. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:12pm
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so they can hit israel. and we can make them a parking lot afterwards.
you think they realize, if they nuke israel, that radiation could possibly destroy jerusalem? |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:13pm
Mm hm. Probably one of my favourite scenes in Kingdom of Heaven is the battle in Jerusalem when the sieze weapons are going nuts. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Skillet42565 wrote:Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:13pm
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Plague cow > WMD IMHO
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:14pm
I love that part. Lobbing those gigantic boulders and crap and just smashing stuff is awesome. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:14pm
No. When they kill massive amounts of people at the hole in the wall ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:15pm
Mm hm. There need to be more movies with siege weapons. I'd like to see old school catapults throwing dozens of smaller rocks into massed infantry. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:16pm
| Personally, I find the trebuchet to be superior to the oldschool catapult. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:16pm
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Awesome fireworks, duh. ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:17pm
They're huge and clumsy though. It's a lot easier to cart around five catapults than it is one trebuchet. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:18pm
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:19pm
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I wanna see a movie with a man catapult.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:20pm
You run the risk of killing your own troops with plague rats. The Trebuchet has so much more range than the catapult too. |
Posted By: DzXs
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:21pm
it is, also because age of empires II says so |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:30pm
In AOE2 both have their merits. |
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:52pm
| AOE (all of them) ftw... |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:53pm
Archers wit speed building cheat FTW ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:21pm
| This went off topic in no time... |
Posted By: tippmannfreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:46pm
what do you expect, os's post original post went over the heads of 90% of this forum... |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:50pm
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:50pm
No, I just think noone knows what he tried to accomplish with his post. He came in posted tat Iran is more than likely making WMD's because of the missile they have just engineered is useless for anything less, like we are the ones that believed them. Was he trying to get a debate? I think that what he said is fairly obvios ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:51pm
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You all have no idea.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:51pm
| OS loves to try and stir trouble. BACK TO MEDIEVAL SIEGE TACTICS |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 8:58pm
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:15pm
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How am I stirring trouble. Iran and the Parrot Press state they have no nuclear program, the majority of the nation believes Bush is "lieing" about Irans nuke program, and the Iranians test fire a nuclear capable balistic missile on the same day as a "peace conference" on the middle east. Strange logic there, millions for a missile that is only financially and militarily worth it if it carries a WMD class warhead. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:22pm
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Bush is a bad man. Quit defending him. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:24pm
| How are you not stirring the pot, come on now. You know how these kinds of issues go on the forum... |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:28pm
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:38pm
| Yea, I believe we (humans) will end the world/our existence with nukes some day. Do you have any nuclear power plants by you? I hear the ones in Michigan have like a 50 mile kill zone basically, but I actually live far enough away that the major part wouldn't hit me. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:47pm
Nonsense. The most powerful nukes were developed in the 50s and 60s. At that time delivery systems were crap, and huge yields were necessary to make sure that you took out what you wanted tot ake out. Today nukes can be accurate to within about the size of your house, and consequently the yields are far, far smaller. Modern nuclear doctrine rarely involves splashing whole cities- rather, nukes would be targeted on military, communications, and transportation facilities. Anyone who worries seriously about nuclear attack today is deluded. Nobody capable of hitting North America with a nuke would be dumb enough to do it. The only plausible nuclear threat in the forseeable future would be if extremists were to steal or purchase a weapon- and then it would necessarily be one of the very small ones, probably a tactical warhead. Of course, that would still gut the downtown of any major city... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:48pm
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Soviet styled nuclear weapons used a "dirtier" form of uranium or plutonium, with a halflife in the 25,000 year range. The actual burst radius of a mid sized airburst would be intantainious lethal in the 5km center radius, 5-25km radius would be 50-75%, 25km and out 20-50% lethal. Radiation levels will be lethal for up to 25years depending on the density of radiated material. Ground bursts are less lethal, but more "fallout" of debris thrown up in the blast.
Now the larger the yield, the larger the lethality radius. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:58pm
The Russians are down to only 180 SS-18 launchers, the only weapon they have with a yield over 1 megaton- and even those have sleectable yields of either 750KT or 20MT. The Chinese may have weapons of up to 3MT. Neither Russia or China is stupid enough to use its nukes. Pakistan's nukes are worrying, but they're not even suspected to have exceeded 40KT yield yet, so their nukes are still babies. Nukes are an almost insignificant threat in today's world. Far greater potential threats exist. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 2:40am
So load the rats on the trebuchet and call it a ratapult. ------------- 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 2:46am
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I should tune up the three foot tall treb I built a few years ago. I never really messed with it enough to determine the maximum range. ------------- 
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 2:53am
thats what I'm thinking, I'm much more worried about Pakistan Wiping it's self out or India, Pakistan is a bad situation right now, and they DO have nukes. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 6:11am
| chinese generals have threatened the use of nukes against the US if we defend taiwan. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 10:21am
I know! We should do a forum treb building contest. We did one a few years ago in shop class. We could compete for range and reload time and things of that nature. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 10:27am
They wont do it. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 10:44am
They don't care about the holy land anymore. The "president" of Iran is a radical Shi'ite. A huge majority of the radicals in the Shi'a sect are not concerned with getting Jerusalem anymore, that's the Sunnis. He only wants to become a stronger and more "dominant " world power, they believe the 12th Imam is coming, and they want to show their "support" for "him." ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 10:47am
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People, People, We are getting off topic. The topic is Mideviel Siege Weapons. Has anyone ever seen one of those giant arrow chuckers like gladiator? That would be so sweet to build. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 10:59am
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Ballista? I built one with my brother when I was 12. Not quite as fancy as the originals, but it could shoot a six-foot stick a very long ways. Very cool indeed. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:00am
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How big of a project was it? Somethign that could be done in a week or so? -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:09am
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It took us most of the summer, and even then it wasn't very sturdy. It fell apart after a dozen shots or so. But then, that was just a couple of kids playing in the back yard. With more serious effort and skill, I would think you could make a good one in a few days of hard work. I'm sure there are plenty of plans/instructions online. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:11am
| Gigantic crossbow on wheels. Best invention ever. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:35am
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I'll try to have my treb up and running again by Christmas. I need a new bar to hold the weight boxes, and I think it needs a new firing mechanism, maybe do away with the string tied to the catch and just make a little remote for it. I would try to make it mobile, add wheels and some form of propulsion, but then we'd be more into medieval battle bots. -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:44am
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Well, a correct treb has either wheels or a pivoting counter wieght. otherwise the wieght of the counterwieght will cause it to be unstable. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:45am
| My medieval battlebot is going to have a sword and impales his victims on large sticks. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:47am
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Are the sticks covered in human fecies? -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:51am
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Snake, oh it has wheels. Tiny little plastic wheels that don't roll on crap to help with the shot. I meant large wheels, and a brushless motor, you know, radio controlled trebuchet.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 11:53am
| I can cover it in feces if needed. TIPPMANN MEDIEVAL BATTLEBOT CHALLENGE IS NEEDED |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 12:11pm
| You need your catapult to attack Uzbekistan. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 12:30pm
Do It Do It! -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 1:11pm
| I was going to take a physics class in high school for the express purpose of building a treb, as launching softballs was a class project. Then the new principal decided that that was a weapon and nothing of the sort could be allowed on school grounds. I then had to reschedule, and the chem/physics teacher decided to get a job in a state that paid more in a school that didn't suck. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 1:43pm
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^He went to Wyoming? I know the AP physics class was allowed to build one of those Ballistas as long as it didn't use a spear tipped head. now that was an epic fail, they were winding it back and the whole thing snaped in half. -------------
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 1:45pm
I believe Whale has knowledge in this subject. The battlebot part, at least. Not quite so sure about the covering in feces part. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 2:33pm
2whales1bot? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 13 December 2007 at 2:51pm
ROFL ------------- 
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