Bhutto Killed
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Topic: Bhutto Killed
Posted By: rednekk98
Subject: Bhutto Killed
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:56am
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http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSHAR75111720071227 - Reuters Article Video from before the attack shows her waving from her vehicle surrounded by supporters(and one guy with an exploding vest and a gun hidden somewhere) which seems like pretty terrible security. All-in-all I''d have to say this was a pretty predicable political assassination. So uhhhhhh....now what for Pakistan? I think its really a matter of time until the Jihadists get the bomb. |
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 10:08am
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I'm not surprised. After her convoy was attacked a month or so ago, I figured it was a matter of time until someone actually killed her.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 10:16am
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Bound to happen, while she had garnered a lot of support being the main opposition to Musharraf, she was hardly someone that was an "everyman" candidate who would appeal to the masses. The charges of corruption and embezzlement in conjunction with her staunch support of pro-Taliban forces during her first two terms as PM really put her at odds with the non-fundie part of the country. At least she didn't oust Musharraf and then get killed, that would have made the situation a whole lot less stable.
Musharraf needs to get the damned country back into a sense of stability before India gets and itchy trigger finger and decided to take care of any possible problems herself. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 10:50am
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Not too surprising. This will create quite a mess for their upcoming elections. But once again, I think everyone was expecting this. I'm almost surprised she lasted this long.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 12:35pm
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Everyone saw this coming, but now all hell is gonna break loose.
I see one of two results. Either Musharraf is gonna pull more of the military into the cities, necessarily resulting in strengthening of the Islamists in the northwest, or he'll push hard into the Pashtun regions and take the Islamists on directly. Neither is gonna be pretty. Pakistan has 180 million angry people in a small country, they're paranoid of their neighbours, they're politically unstable, and they've got nukes... Ugh. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 12:46pm
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Very sad.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 12:57pm
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Cedric wrote:Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:13pm
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About damn time.
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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:44pm
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I noticed oil speculators are loving this. Now they can have another shot at $100/bbl before the year ends.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 4:47pm
| So much for democracy... |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 5:42pm
Do you seriously think that this is the time for this particular nation to go all 1 man 1 vote? The whole Bhutto issue is small potatoes compared to much larger issue of who, when all is said and done, has access to the military and the nuclear arms that they possess. We, and India, are very very very lucky that Musharraf put someone in charge of the military who is extremely stable and westernized. As for Bhutto and democracy. You're talking about a woman who openly praised the Taliban government even in their most despotic times, for their rule of Afghanistan. She was a scheister, a fraud, and wanted nothing more than to gain power to further her own bank-roll. Her death is no blow to true democracy. That nation has a long way to go before they can ever embrace democracy as any of us understand it. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 6:19pm
Anyways, my Dad has been listening to NPR all day and is convinced that Musharraf is directly responsible. However he wouldn't elaborate on what led him to think this before smoking himself into a useless stupor so I shant press the issue. Bhutto did not appear to have much security visible in the pre-attack video and had throngs of supporters around her vehicle that should have been kept at a safe distance . Musharraf was responsible for providing security, and who knows what kind of detail she was offered and how much security she accepted. Still, one less politician. Guess she should have hired Blackwater. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 6:26pm
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All of that notwithstanding, Bhutto has still been a figurehead for the democracy movement there, and now that she's a martyr, the ramifications could be very serious. Sharif, the leader of the opposition party, ahs said they will boycott the elections because of her murder. That growth of solidarity amongst the democratic factions will be seen as a threat by Musharraf, the military, and the islamists, and that simply cannot end well. Musharraf may feel forced into courses of actions taht will further alienate Pakistan from the Commonwealth and other western nations, and may also play into the hands of the islamists regardless of how he responds. There is of course a risk of severe open violence, and even a fringe possibility of open revolt by a significant portion of the population.
Pakistan is an inherently unstable country, and this can only serve to make it worse. It's very much in the interests of the western world to offer guidance and a helping hand to settle the country down. Instability is a fertile breeding ground for extremism, and there's already enough of that over there. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: bishopisback
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:11pm
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:14pm
HAHAHAHA Everyone see what he did there!?!?!?! That was good. He burned me bad! |
Posted By: Ticalxx421
Date Posted: 27 December 2007 at 10:37pm
I'd say ( and I'm not being sarcastic) ------------- [IMG]http://i14.tinypic.com/73e0l8j.jpg"> Represent! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 12:09am
While instability is a breeding ground for extremism, we can't afford to do anything right now other than condemn the death of a democratic leader and state that we will assist Pakistan should the country ask for our help in any way. Offering guidance suggests that we're trying to tell them what to do. With the US's image in the dump as far as most islamic states are concerned, offering guidance or suggesting anything right now would only be the equivalent of us poking our fingers into a fresh wound. The trick here is to say a lot without speaking a word. Allow the democratic process to continue and show no outward signs of trying to control or guide the situation. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 3:12am
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and the riots ensue!
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 3:15am
Well you have the wit of a 7 year old so i'm not surprised. |
Posted By: Enmity
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 8:21am
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Well you look like a 14 year old girl, and an ugly one at that. ------------- 
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 5:59pm
Oh like they need an excuse to raise the price 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 11:04pm
| Well apparently she did try to hire Blackwater but they turned her down. Wonder why? I know you couldn't pay me enough to pull that security detail even before the 130+ killed in that "welcome home" carbomb attack. She'd already been informed of threats of suicide bombers at that location, went anyway, got way too close to the crowd and showboated from the top of her car, making her an even better target. Most politicians have figured out that that's a dumb idea, even the pope got a clue. Her whole return has been doomed from the start. Either she'd get killed and martyred and Musharaff would look bad for allowing it, she'd lose the election and Musharaff would look bad for tampering with the process, or she'd win in which case Musharaff would look bad for losing. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 28 December 2007 at 11:29pm
| I think they have...60 nukes ? Man, hope those don't get into the wrong hands. |