Nitro questions
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Topic: Nitro questions
Posted By: Wilhelm Schulz
Subject: Nitro questions
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 6:01pm
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Im just wondering whats the diffrence between 3,000 and 4,500 psi nitro tanks? Which one is better. Also what benafits(besides cold weather performence) dose nitro have over Co2?
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 6:04pm
I didn't realize nitro was used in paintball? When did this happen?
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 6:37pm
probably HPA.
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Posted By: Wilhelm Schulz
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 6:51pm
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Snake6 wrote:
I didn't realize nitro was used in paintball? When did this happen? |
For a while I think. Look at the link.
http://www.paintballcloseout.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=251&categoryID=81 - http://www.paintballcloseout.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalo g.prodInfo&productID=251&categoryID=81
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 7:06pm
Snake, I can forgive nitro, as that can be short for nitrogen. As long as he doesn't say "nitrous," I'm good.
Very few fields fill those tanks with nitrogen anymore, as it is expensive. Nowadays, they are filled with high pressure compressed air, the same stuff you're breathing (which is still about 75% nitrogen).
3000 and 4500 are the amount of PSI the tanks can hold, and the number before that is the cubic inches. For example, a 68/4500 will hold more air, thus giving more shots, than a 68/3000.
"Nitro" has many advantages, but chief among them is consistency, and consistency leads to improved accuracy. There is no liquid inside the tanks, so velocity won't spike. Not to mention, it's a lot gentler on your marker's internals. Freezing o-rings doesn't exactly help their life-cycle.
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Posted By: What to do?
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 7:06pm
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Ummm.... idiot?
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 7:10pm
What to do? wrote:
Ummm.... idiot? |
Ummm.... unnecessary?
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Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 9:22pm
PWNED!
Sorry, I had to .
On to relevant discussion: PSI is a unit of pressure. The higher the tank pressure rating, and therefore pressure you can store inside, the more gas is inside the same volume and therefore the more shots you will get from the same size of tank. 4500 PSI tanks are always fiber-wrap (to my knowledge at least, I've never seen one that's not) whereas 3000 PSI tanks are most often steel or aluminum. 4500 PSI has the advantage of more shots per fill, however the disadvantages of cost and the fact that it may be harder to find a place to fill 4500 PSI (3000 PSI can be filled easily from SCUBA, whereas 4500 PSI always in my experience requires a compressor (though there may be bulk 4500 PSI tanks, I've yet to encounter one). If the field offers free compressed air, and weight is not a concern, I'd go with 3000 PSI for the price decrease. However, if you want a light tank and the most shots from a fill, and cost is a non-issue, go for 4500 PSI.
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Posted By: Wilhelm Schulz
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:30pm
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Ilford Rule wrote:
4500 PSI tanks are always fiber-wrap (to my knowledge at least, I've never seen one that's not) whereas 3000 PSI tanks are most often steel or aluminum. |
Aluminum
http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?SKU=261+0095&CAT=111202 - http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=261+0095&CAT=111202
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 12:02am
Wilhelm Schulz wrote:
Ilford Rule wrote:
4500 PSI tanks are always fiber-wrap (to my knowledge at least, I've never seen one that's not) whereas 3000 PSI tanks are most often steel or aluminum. |
Aluminum
http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?SKU=261+0095&CAT=111202 - http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=261+0095&CAT=111202 |
Bwahahahahhahahaha!!! Anyone else get a good laugh out of that link! Jesus, Spec Ops just doesn't even care about the truth anymore do they!
For those who don't want to click. It's a link to a 90/4500 N2 Duck iReg HPA tank.
Here's what they say in their little bullet points:
* Lightweight aluminum body
Nitro Duck doesn't even make an "aluminum" tank. The inner core is aluminum like all wrapped HPA tanks, but the exterior is CF wrapping with "Tuff Skin" epoxy coating
* CO2 Threaded
Any pre-set is "CO2 Threaded"
* Pressure Consistent Technology
Uh, gee, that'd be the function of a reg, you know, that thing ALL HPA tanks have....
* Compact design
90ci tanks are NOT compact. Even a "stubby" version has it's flaws due to the girth of the tank
* Consistent flow
Again, see definition of Regulator
* No Loctite - Means the regulator unscrews from the tank for easy air travel, or you can switch to a larger or smaller tank easily.
No HPA tanks use loctite. Loctite counteracts the safety measure of the mid-thread blow-off port shoudl the reg ever come unscrewed from the body.
* Dual Burst Disks - HP burst disk prevents over filling
* LP burst disk prevents your gun from being over pressurized
All variable output HPA tanks have this feature
* Bleed out safety slot w/ dedicated bleed channel dumps the air in your tank in the event of regulator/tank separation
See the "no loctite" comment
* Unified rupture disc
standard on every HPA tank
* 450 psi fixed output
Not on an iReg. They have various pistons that you can place into the reg to change the output. That's the whole purpose of owning an iReg tank
* Works with any ASA bottomline
See CO2 Threaded comment
* Guaranteed adjustable output from 200-900 psi
Actually, they go up to 1100psi, but wait, didn't they just claim 450psi fixed output?
* Meets all ASTM standards
All tanks must meet this to be allowed to enter DOT testing
* Meets all CGA standards
Again, see above
* Comes with wrench
Which is used to take the reg apart to put the new piston in... of course, why would you need a wrench if it was fixed output?
* Approximately 1400 shots per fill
Using what? A VM-68? Jesus, 90ci at 4500psi, I could get a case and a half off of that with a DMLCD!
* 5-Year hydrotest date
* User serviceable and upgradeable
again, whole point of an iReg that they seemed to have forgotten earlier |
Wilhelm Schulz, do yourself a favor and please don't go to Spec-Ops and expect to be told the reality of anything. I know it looks flashy, I know they make people feel important with their little code names and whatnot, but they know about as much about real paintball equipment as your grandmother does.
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Posted By: Wilhelm Schulz
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 1:05am
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tallen702 wrote:
Wilhelm Schulz, do yourself a favor and please don't go to Spec-Ops and expect to be told the reality of anything. I know it looks flashy, I know they make people feel important with their little code names and whatnot, but they know about as much about real paintball equipment as your grandmother does. |
Dont worry. I have a local shop(who I normaly go to first on equip advice) that sells the stuff. I just relized Sunday that SO is a rip off because I paied $35 something total for a part thats $21 total at the shop. A total noob was pawned. oh well lesson learned. Next time I shop around.
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Posted By: thejudge
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 4:31am
Personally I love the 4500 since they are fiber wrapped. this makes them much lighter.
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Posted By: Tang
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 10:04am
on a side note...
3000 psi tanks: cubic inch x 10 = shot capacity
&nbs p; &nbs p;
[48 cu {3000psi} = 480 shots on average
4500 psi tanks: cubic inch x 15 = shot capacity
&nbs p; &nbs p;
[68 cu {4500 psi} = 1020 shots on average
hope that helps
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 11:55am
Tang wrote:
on a side note...
3000 psi tanks: cubic inch x 10 = shot capacity
48 cu {3000psi} = 480 shots on average
4500 psi tanks: cubic inch x 15 = shot capacity
68 cu {4500 psi} = 1020 shots on average
hope that helps
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This is really only true when running at a 850psi operating pressure. For example, while an 88/4500 tank would get me approximately 1400 shots per tank given the formula. I run a 2001 WGP Black Magic with a Shoctech Rat Valve and AKA matched LP springs giving me an average of almost 2,200 shots per tank with my old AA Armageddon. My new DYE Throttle at 68/4500psi gets me near 1,900 shots per tank at an average chrono rate of 295fps
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 4:53pm
I love Nitroduck tanks.
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Posted By: kurieitaa
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 5:13pm
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tallen702 wrote:
Bwahahahahhahahaha!!! Anyone else get a good laugh out of that link! Jesus, Spec Ops just doesn't even care about the truth anymore do they! |
I Lol'd, Naw Spec Ops just want the money from the people, there might be a few things i might buy from them but...yea a "few".
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 6:44pm
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Conquests only have an LP disc.
LOL TALEON UR SO DUM
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