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Topic: chinese is just english with an accent
Posted By: evillepaintball
Subject: chinese is just english with an accent
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:23pm
i just got back from the chinese takeout in the commons.  a chinese employee took my order and i said "broccoli with chicken and steamed rice."  she returned a very puzzled, almost freightened expression. then the lady at the register walked over and said to her "cheekin brokli, steam ri."  the girl who took my order seemed to understand perfectly what i wanted.  then the guy behind me ordered "teriyaki chicken."  she gave him the same puzzled expression until the cashier lady once again came over and said "tehyaki cheekin", which she understood. 


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Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:24pm
Wow. Beyond racist. But funny as ever

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:27pm
its not racist.  it was just an observation

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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:31pm

Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

its not racist.  it was just an observation
Everybody thinks all observations of different races are rascist views. It's dumb.

That was an amusing story though.



Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 8:44pm
She probably learned english from another china person.


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:02pm
You'd never survive here.


Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:07pm
I feel like this is a good place to put the column that my new columnist Ben wrote for tomorrow's paper.


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Racism is real. Even now, in 2008, all can agree that racism does indeed exist. After 19 years of soaking in the murky waters of American culture, I've come to a conclusion that racism in America remains a cultural cancer because of one thing: bad jokes.

Comedy in America and abroad is as much an expression of power as it is a form of entertainment. Making fun of someone can imply that the person making the joke has dominance over what he is making the joke about, and it can also imply that the person making fun is doing so with a sense of rebellion against the butt of his joke.

A few good jokes can convince a person to say, do or agree with nearly anything. Unfortunately, a few bad jokes can have the exact same effect. So what does all of this have to do with racism? Here's a joke for you:

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get to the other side.

The "Chicken Crossing the Road" joke is nearly as old as jokes themselves. Everyone has heard it and no one thinks it's funny.

Imagine knowing someone who loves this joke so much he tells it over and over again to everyone he knows. Imagine having to hear the same joke about chickens and roads on every TV show and in every movie for the rest of your life. Wouldn't that get kind of annoying?

That being said, I find it absolutely incredible that so many comedians make a living by repeating the same stereotyping, racist jokes with slightly altered punch lines.

I can't understand how the idea of black people loving fried chicken still makes people chuckle.

Not long ago, I was sitting outside on a bench near the Student Union, snacking on a chicken strip, when a friend of mine approached. He looked at me, my hand shoving the strip into my mouth, and smiled, saying, "You know you really make it hard for people to not believe that all black people love chicken." My reply to him was, "Everyone loves chicken, not just black people," while I pointed to the Chick-fil-A bag he was holding.

Good jokes are based on truth, but the best jokes convince an audience that the comedian is actually speaking the truth. The unfortunate thing about stereotypes is that they are only funny if the audience already perceives them to be true. I'm tired of hearing about black people loving chicken. Chicken is served at nearly every restaurant that serves food, and that has nothing to do with race. Everyone loves chicken.

My opinion is not confined to only black stereotypes. All stereotypes are stupid, yet people hear them so much that they start to believe them. The average person hears some untrue joke about Asians not being able to drive and remembers it every time he sees an Asian person in a vehicle. It's a totally false statement, but as that person speeds through a red light he starts to believe that what he heard about Asians is true, and the power of comedy has thoroughly convinced him to believe so.

The key to ending racism and discrimination is more than just trying to create equality between people. People have to actually believe that everyone is equal.

People have to be able to see that everyone eats chicken and that the roads are filled with bad drivers of all races. Racism will cease to exist only when the average person can hear a stereotypical joke and think, "That's not true. I see all sorts of people do that all the time."


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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by hoginds24 hoginds24 wrote:

She probably learned english from another china person.


Asian-American dude, please.


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:11pm
Ben sounds like a dull boy.


Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:13pm

I think that column was a little weak and could be written better.

I have an african friend who craves fried chicken and kool-aid. I love those too. We make fun of my friend about him and his fried chicken and he is fine with it because it is true. Of course he acts whiter than almost every other black person in the school and he admits to that too.



Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I have an african friend who craves fried chicken and kool-aid. I love those too. We make fun of my friend about him and his fried chicken and he is fine with it because it is true. Of course he acts whiter than almost every other black person in the school and he admits to that too.



Methinks you missed the entire point.


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

I feel like this is a good place to put the column that my new columnist Ben wrote for tomorrow's paper.



I love when people use names of other people you don't know in stories, like you're supposed to know who they are.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:18pm
so just because he doesnt find something funny means no one should find it funny, and that everyone who does find it funny is a bad person?

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Ben sounds like a dull boy.


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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

I feel like this is a good place to put the column that my new columnist Ben wrote for tomorrow's paper.



I love when people use names of other people you don't know in stories, like you're supposed to know who they are.


It wasn't crucial to the point at all, I just decided to point out it wasn't myself who wrote it.




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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:26pm
Plus, shouldn't it be "that my new columnist, Ben, wrote for tomorrow's paper."???

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Plus, shouldn't it be "that my new columnist, Ben, wrote for tomorrow's paper."???


No.


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Ben sounds like a dull boy.


Seriously.

I don't see how stereotype jokes are any more offensive then impersonating someone




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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:32pm
Actually, yes, because his name is non-essential to the completion of the sentence.

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Ben sounds like a dull boy.


Seriously.

I don't see how stereotype jokes are any more offensive then impersonating someone




Because impersonations don't dwell off race-based fallacies perpetuated by time?


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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:32pm
Sure she wasnt speaking english?

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Ben sounds like a dull boy.
Seriously.I don't see how stereotype jokes are any more offensive then impersonating someone


Because clearly, the only way to not be racist is to claim you're colourblind.


Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Actually, yes, because his name is non-essential to the completion of the sentence.


Actually no. In news-writing you avoid excessive comma use.


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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:36pm
So just because it's a new story, the most common rules for the written English language can be ignored?


I mean, it's bad enough that pro-nouns are often avoided, but commas too?

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

So just because it's a new story, the most common rules for the written English language can be ignored?


It is not a news story. It is a column written in the news writing style.

And no, most of the rules are not ignored. Only a few here and there.


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Because impersonations don't dwell off race-based fallacies perpetuated by time?


No, stereotype jokes are observations of particular nuances or habits an individual or group might have (note I didn't say racial jokes, these can easily apply to any group).   The habit may not present itself all the time or only here and there, but its exaggerated for comedic effect.

An impersonation is just that, noting characteristics and exaggerating them for comedic effect. 

Thats not to say all stereotypes are funny, I'll give you certain ones such as stealing or fighting or drug use are offensive, but the form of joke itself is not offensive.  Its called being able to laugh at yourself.


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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:47pm
Jesus, Linus. You're acting like you used to.

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Its called being able to laugh at yourself.


Easy to say when you are not the one constantly getting laughed at.


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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:52pm
almost all the racial jokes i hear from comedians are being told by black comedians to mostly black audiences.  they are laughing at themselves.  i dont see why there is a problem with that.

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:53pm
Whale do you see that as a good collum?

And is think the kinda collums that they post on your papers daily?

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Easy to say when you are not the one constantly getting laughed at.


Considering I've grown up in a place where I am the butt of most stereotype jokes, yeah, it is easy to say.  In the words of Oscar Wilde, "Humanity takes itself too seriously. It is the world's original sin. If the caveman had known how to laugh, history would have been different."



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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:14pm
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Whale do you see that as a good collum?

And is think the kinda collums that they post on your papers daily?


Column*

And yeah, I see it as a good column. It was his very first, so I expect some punch-pulling. I have faith he will get better with time, learn to be more comfortable with his words.

The way I have picked to run the columns is with two different columnists. They each alternate off every Monday.

This is the first column from our other columnist:


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I was getting a haircut Friday afternoon and was in the middle of my favorite part, the shampoo, otherwise known as scalp sex, when the lovely hairdresser did something that made my neck hairs stand up. She started to talk about politics.

"We have some interesting people in this election," she said, casually. "Who do you like?"

Who do I like? Answering that would identify my party of choice. What if she's a hardcore Republican? I'm a Democrat. She was the one with the scissors. She had the power to make me look like Donald Trump on a windy day.

Then it suddenly dawned on me how dangerously close an innocent shampooing is to water boarding, a form of torture dating back to the Inquisition in which a victim is tied to a plank, smothered with a rag and doused with water. The CIA calls this simulated drowning. What if she supports torture? Who'd hear my muffled screams if she covered my face and demanded I swear my loyalty to Rudy Giuliani?

I decided to sidestep the question. I joked about former Sen. John Edwards paying $1,200 for a haircut, and said doesn't she wish she were his hairstylist?

It turned out she's a Democrat. She loves Hillary. She's not one of the many women that think Hillary has a likability problem, and she is definitely miffed that Hillary came in third in Iowa. She asked what I think of Hillary. I don't think she has a likability problem either. We bonded and shared our self-righteous indignation at the current president's mishandling of all things presidential, or, as she put it, "the guy's a nut and probably a little retarded."

I'm glad the media eased its obsession with Paris and Britney for the presidential primaries, but after watching the news for a little while, it became apparent that they just switched from one cult of personality to another. They take so little time to focus on issues or legitimate explorations of the candidates' professional backgrounds because they are only interested in who is ahead in the polls and what mud the candidates are slinging at one another.

Still, the run up to Iowa was interesting. Kucinich tried a new strategic platform: "Vote for me or I swear this time I'll kill myself." This backfired horribly, so he added, "...and I will return more powerful than you can possibly imagine." That frightened people until Darth Romney pointed out that "the force is not strong with this one." Then Kucinich asked his supporters to support Barack Obama. In response, Obama, who's all about change, changed his name to Denzel Washington. Not to be outdone, Kucinich promptly changed his name to Hans Moleman, gave up on politics and sought a career in television. Naturally, I am kidding.

Speaking of people who have voices that sound like cartoon characters, Ron Paul raised huge amounts of money and he blew past Giuliani in the Iowa Caucuses. He managed to snag 10 percent of the votes, 3 percent less than McCain or Thompson, even though the media has almost completely ignored him. This should be news, but the media responded by continuing to ignore him. CNN, for example, had pie charts representing the share of votes each candidate won, and there was a big blank space where Paul should have been. They listed Gov. Bill Richardson who won 2 percent of the vote but left an unruly gap on the Republican pie chart. Don't they think people want to know about who filled that blank space? Isn't that news? Ron Paul deserves attention. In the past, relative unknowns have gained prominence for exceptional and surprising results in the primaries, but, in the past, news programs respected the political process a little more and didn't pander wholly to their idea of what the public wants.

I pointed this out with agitated, gesticulating hands to my stylist who was running scissors through my hair at a blurring speed. I'm sure we were a sight. She shrugged her scissors-wielding hands and, to her credit, did not give me three months of bad hair days.

To change the subject, I asked her, how the hell does John Edwards manage to spend $1,200 on a hair cut anyway? Is each hair cut individually?

She explained that this involved the costs of airfare and hotel stays so Edwards could have his regular stylist make house calls on the road. She said she envied his hairstylist. I'm disgusted by this skewed sense of priorities, but I have to admit that Edwards is a smart, if apparently vain, man who realizes that image counts for at least as much as message in American politics.




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Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:


Originally posted by hoginds24 hoginds24 wrote:

She probably learned english from another china person.
Asian-American dude, please.


Irony?


Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:



[Column* And yeah, I see it as a good column. It was his very first, so I expect some punch-pulling. I have faith he will get better with time, learn to be more comfortable with his words. The way I have picked to run the columns is with two different columnists. They each alternate off every Monday. This is the first column from our other columnist:   


that one is actually a good read. It held my interest even if the dude was a Democrat till the end.

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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 11:12pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Ben sounds like a dull boy.
Seriously.I don't see how stereotype jokes are any more offensive then impersonating someone
Because impersonations don't dwell off race-based fallacies perpetuated by time?


So you're claiming it's a fallacy that black people like fried chicken, watermelon, and (preferably grape) Kool-Aid?

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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 13 January 2008 at 11:42pm
Jokes on race makes everyone laugh, and each race has had their turn as the punchline. Its not racism, its comedy. Racism is believing that one race is better than another. Jokes do not promote anything near that.

eville's story = lol.

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 12:27am

I would be interested to see if asians really were statistically worse drivers.

 



Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 1:05am
I don't know, but the only couple Asian kids I hang out with are terrible drivers. So is my friend that had an Asian driving instructor.

Not trying to step on any toes here, and I have no problem with our brothers from the Far East, but from what I've noticed both at Pine Knob and BP is that Asian people are far ruder to me than any other group of people. They don't often respond to greetings, and many seem to think I know what they want before they even say anything, which kind of trips me out.

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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 3:56pm
Linus....

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

Originally posted by hoginds24 hoginds24 wrote:

She probably learned english from another china person.


Asian-American dude, please.
THE CHINAMAN IS NOT THE ISSUE!


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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 5:54pm

 

Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

Originally posted by hoginds24 hoginds24 wrote:

She probably learned english from another china person.


Asian-American dude, please.

Chinese?



Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:02pm
The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.




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Posted By: +DreX+
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:02pm
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

grape) Kool-Aid?

PURPLE DRANK!


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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:04pm
Asians are only good drivers if they're drifting.

In all seriousness, I agree with Jersey Paint.  Every ethnic group has jokes about them.  As long as the jokes aren't meant to be used in a harmful manner, i have no problem with them.  People need to learn how to laugh at themselves.  At school, I constantly see people of all different ethical backgrounds joking around about stereotypes.  No one gets mad because everyone understands that they are just that.  Jokes.


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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:03pm
Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.




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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:10pm
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

I don't know, but the only couple Asian kids I hang out with are terrible drivers. So is my friend that had an Asian driving instructor.

Not trying to step on any toes here, and I have no problem with our brothers from the Far East, but from what I've noticed both at Pine Knob and BP is that Asian people are far ruder to me than any other group of people. They don't often respond to greetings, and many seem to think I know what they want before they even say anything, which kind of trips me out.


A lot of asians have a large racial superiority complex.

In my experience, I have also noticed a lot of bad asian drivers though, I won't infer anything because I don't have statistics to back it up.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

So you're claiming it's a fallacy that black people like fried chicken, watermelon, and (preferably grape) Kool-Aid?


No, he is saying its wrong to think someone will inherently act one way because of their ethnicity.


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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

So you're claiming it's a fallacy that black people like fried chicken, watermelon, and (preferably grape) Kool-Aid?


No, he is saying its wrong to think someone will inherently act one way because of their ethnicity.


I stopped bothering to try and explain something to people who want to shut out any sort of rational thought.


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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

So you're claiming it's a fallacy that black people like fried chicken, watermelon, and (preferably grape) Kool-Aid?
No, he is saying its wrong to think someone will inherently act one way because of their ethnicity.
I stopped bothering to try and explain something to people who want to shut out any sort of rational thought.


cop out

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

So you're claiming it's a fallacy that black people like fried chicken, watermelon, and (preferably grape) Kool-Aid?
No, he is saying its wrong to think someone will inherently act one way because of their ethnicity.
I stopped bothering to try and explain something to people who want to shut out any sort of rational thought.


cop out


Not really.

People who somehow think racial jokes are A-OK and don't understand how stereotypes are hurtful are not going to somehow instantly going to understand.

No amount of explaining will do it.


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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:30pm
I think jokes about my people stealing hub caps to funny since they are absurb. Thou I do know people who have stollen Hubcaps, thou they where on the car they took. I mean why lowball to hubcaps?

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Not really.

People who somehow think racial jokes are A-OK and don't understand how stereotypes are hurtful are not going to somehow instantly going to understand.

No amount of explaining will do it.


Actually, that is a classical cop-out, you get to pull the "I'm smarter then you and can dismiss your entire argument while assuming I'm correct and you're wrong."  Its also bad form in presenting your side.

Regardless, explain to me exactly how a stereotype joke is such a traumatic thing.  I honestly am curious to how your thinking here, because I am a minority where I live and there are loads of stereotypes for a white male like me, not to mention a great deal of racism towards haoles in general; and I don't find these jokes about me traumatic or degrading.


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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 14 January 2008 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Not really. People who somehow think racial jokes are A-OK and don't understand how stereotypes are hurtful are not going to somehow instantly going to understand. No amount of explaining will do it.

And I'm sure as a White American, you would know of the harm of racist jokes, and how deep they hurt?

As a Puerto Rican I have been on the end of alot of "lawnmower" and "shank" jokes. But I never take any real offense to them as I know they are in jest, not an attack on me, and thats the key. If racial jokes are truly jokes, than everyone will see them as humorous or atleast see them as harmless. But if they provoke a feeling of offense to the person the comment is aimed, than its no longer a joke. It becomes a verbal attack.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:22am
Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

If racial jokes are truly jokes, than everyone will see them as humorous or atleast see them as harmless. But if they provoke a feeling of offense to the person the comment is aimed, than its no longer a joke. It becomes a verbal attack.


The problem is that no one can ever be completely sure how someone else will react to anything.  Telling a racial joke to complete strangers is just stupid.  Telling one to a friend who normally does not have a problem with them but catching him/her on a bad day and provoking an unexpected reaction can have permanent consequences.

This is the reason the military has a zero-tolerance policy on behavior of this nature.  At it's strictest interpretation even the telling of ethnic jokes/use of slurs (such as the "n" word) is prohibited among members of the ethnic background background being referred to.  (This is due to the fact that it could lead someone not of the background to believe that such behavior is acceptable on their part as well.)

I am perfectly fine with the military approach and agree with TKDs assessment of racial jokes in general.  Can I give a logical reason for it?  Not beyond what I offered above.  However, I can say how I feel on the subject:  The rare times I was the "subject" of such jokes I was offended; when I wasn't I was embarrassed for the folks who were and sometimes embarrassed to be of the same ethnicity as those being "funny."


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:47am
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:


The problem is that no one can ever be completely sure how someone else will react to anything.  Telling a racial joke to complete strangers is just stupid.  Telling one to a friend who normally does not have a problem with them but catching him/her on a bad day and provoking an unexpected reaction can have permanent consequences


Thats true of everything. Anyone can be offended by anything.  Would you propose all humor be regulated so no one gets offended?  People will get upset over the silliest things, and trying to cater to everyones feelings is ridiculous.

Stereotype jokes have nothing to do with racism. Theres a huge difference between making a joke about white men and dancing, or black men and ribs and throwing out racial slurs.

Yes, I agree there is a time and a place, but theres a difference between tact and molly-coddling the rest of the world.


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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:28am
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Stereotype jokes have nothing to do with racism.



Wow. And you wonder why I stopped trying to explain....


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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:34am

racism
 
the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

yes, black people liking fried chicken and purple drank makes me, being white, far superior.

stereotypes =! racism


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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:53am
Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:


racism
 
the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races


yes, black people liking fried chicken and purple drank makes me, being white, far superior.

stereotypes =! racism

But - stereotypes are the tools of distinction.  Stereotypes create and reinforce the idea of differences between human ethnic groups.  And this idea of differences allows the idea of superiority to exist.

Stereotypes may not necessarily equal racism, but they are a necessary component.  If we focused on the similarities rather than the differences, we could starve racism.

By using stereotypes to focus on and amplify the differences you are keeping racism alive.



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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:58am
I love stereotyping and racist jokes.  Their the best kind.

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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 12:13pm
I find it offensive when black people use the word "cracker."

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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:20pm
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:39pm
To paraphrase Dave Chapelle.

If you don't like fried chicken and watermelon, there is something wrong with you.


Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Stereotype jokes have nothing to do with racism.



Wow. And you wonder why I stopped trying to explain....


So dumb blonde jokes, nerd jokes, jock jokes, they're all racist too?  Way to take my statement out of context.

Jokes like these let us laugh at our differences and accept each other. It makes differences a joke and not a serious concern, and frankly thats a good thing, because we start to focus on what we have in common.

And there you go again with your little cop-out.  I'm just going to assume you cant back up your argument.


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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 9:19pm
stereotypes have their base in fact...that's how they've become to be stereotypes, because SOMEBODY out there fits the bill.

examples: I'm an attendant for a kid with cerebral palsy, his father is Jewish, from Manhattan, went to American University (A largely Jewish school), is a lawyer, and drives a Mercedes.
My school has a HUGE number of Korean kids, and almost all live in a neighborhood called Kings Park, and most drive Hyundai's because their parents wanted them to buy Korean.  Most are also HORRIBLE drivers.
A lot of girls I know are horrible drivers as well, but then again, some guys are too.

And I do laugh when I hear stereotype jokes, because they're funny. Duh.


Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 9:26pm

All the girls I know blow at driving with the exception of my own mother.



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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:09pm
Anywone know of any reliable statistics for these things such as gender and driving ability or race and driving ability?


Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:34pm

Gender is easy.  Insurance companies are allowed to price discriminate based on gender, so they do.

They charge more for male drivers because male drivers cost the insurance companies more in claims.

Race, a little harder.



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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Gender is easy.  Insurance companies are allowed to price discriminate based on gender, so they do.


They charge more for male drivers because male drivers cost the insurance companies more in claims.


Race, a little harder.



I would tend to think that women would get in more accidents. The insurance companies think more of menatlity than actions. Any statistics though?


Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:53pm

Insurance companies don't care about "mentality".  They care about one thing only:  Money. 

Insurance companies have more accident statistics than anybody else, in terms of the cost of the accident.  Based on their pricing, I conclude with great confidence that males cause more dollars of accident damage than females.  As to number of accidents I can't say - but total/average dollar value is pretty clear.

Insurance don't price based on hunches, but based on voluminous statistical analysis.  Insurance companies hire more mathematicians than most industries, specifically to calculate the most efficient rates.



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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:42am
All I can say is that almost every girl I know has been in a car accident, and almost none of they guys I know have been.
I have 5 sisters (4 older, 1 younger), and 4 of those 5 sisters are terrible drivers. My younger sister ran my mom's truck into the garage and a car at school, and the other three have been in more accidents than I can count.
The girls were always the ones to be running into each other in the school parking lot. One actually managed to flip her car on its side (sportscar, no ice).

Not that that's a large overview, or a wide enough survey of people, but many people seem to have similar feelings.

I think it's more that when a 16-year old kid gets in an accident it's because he's being overly agressive, meaning he's going fast and doing more damage. That, and in my experience anyways, guys tend to drive more than girls, leaving more chance for an accident.


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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:45am
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


So dumb blonde jokes, nerd jokes, jock jokes, they're all racist too? 




Is blonde, nerd, or jock a race?


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:48am
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Is blonde, nerd, or jock a race?


Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Stereotype jokes have nothing to do with racism.


Stereotype jokes: Not just for races!





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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:49am
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


So dumb blonde jokes, nerd jokes, jock jokes, they're all racist too? 
Is blonde, nerd, or jock a race?


Nope. But it's discrimination. How is one kind of discrimination different from another?

I have never had any problem with people from any race, yet I am labelled a racist because I recognize the diversity between cultures? It is there, whether you want to ignore it or not. Different =/= bad, that's what we need to work on.

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:55am
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:


Nope. But it's discrimination.


I concur.


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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:58am
Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Nope. But it's discrimination.
I concur.


But what about the rest of the post?

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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 2:06am
Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Nope. But it's discrimination.
I concur.


But what about the rest of the post?


I agree with some of it, disagree with other parts.


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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 5:51am
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:10am
I just started a course in linguistics that looks to be pretty interesting.

From day 1:

The commonly looked down upon vernacular pronunciation of "ask" as "aks" is an example of metathesis, the changing of sounds to ease pronunciation. The word can be traced back to the old English "acsian." Note the 'k' sound before the 's.' The stem, common to many old words, went the way of the dodo, but the word "acsian" came well before "ascian" and many people during the period of change wondered why the "ascian" people couldn't learn to say it properly.

Double negatives have the reputation for actually meaning the opposite of what the speaker intended. "You don't know nothing" should mean "You know something" even though the speaker meant "You don't know anything." My professor asked where we got the idea that we were multiplying or dividing in English. That's how to negatives make a positive, multiplying and dividing, and in that case "You don't know nothing no-how" should be just fine for indicating a negative.

The human capacity for language is staggering. A child with Down syndrome and a very, very limited vocabulary can still formulate the thought needed to learn up to five different languages. A child that can't count to ten can understand "Go upstairs to your room, get your bunny, Mr. Boo, and bring him back down here so we can play hide and seek together" and follow those instructions to the end. The human mind is built for language, and sentence structure falls into place while we're stuck learning new words one at a time.


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