MAC or PC?
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Topic: MAC or PC?
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Subject: MAC or PC?
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:38pm
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which do u think is better? i choose PC ------------- 
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:41pm
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pc.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:42pm
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they can both be of equal quality. its mainly based on personal preference. i prefer pc, its what im familiar with, more specifically windows xp
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:45pm
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dead on for me too, ive grown up with Windows and my friend has a MAC, th efirst time i got on it i was like -------------
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what the... not to mention the MAC comertials are so retarded, they make it seem like it takes a genius to run a PC and apparently MACs are easy enough for a caveman to use Posted By: DGAFmuffinZ
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:45pm
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I prefer OS X
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:46pm
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Can't honestly say. My opinion is biased because windows is what I have grown up using for my whole life, so I have very little experience with mac.
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:47pm
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oh and PC is made for games while MACs are more for a family photo album
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:51pm
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Pc for sure
I like playing games |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:55pm
Yeah, that's why industry professionals use macs for video, design, sound and CGI....cause they can keep their family photos in iPhoto. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:58pm
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lol your a sniper.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 4:57pm
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For the same price as a Mac, you can build a non-OSX only PC for half the price with the same or better specs. You can upgrade as you please. You have the capability to have many more features than you can put in a PC designed by Apple for OSX. You can attach pretty much whatever the hell you want to it (with varying levels of risk) and, with the exception of OSX-exclusive software, install whatever the hell you want on it. You can play any PC games you want, and play them to their full potential (all Macs except for the Pro don't take too kindly to addons, I don't think even the Pro can support most graphics cards, though I could be wrong). You can throw a blu-ray drive on there if you want (you have to wait until Apple releases one for Macs before you can throw one on), and have pretty much the same potential for movie and music editing as you do with Mac-specific programs. HOWEVER: Windows is not as reliable. It takes a lot of skill to set it up so that the least amount of processes are happening in the background (due to the piss-poor way the system was designed). Costs a boatload of money for the full version of each edition of Windows. Linux isn't the most compatible OS and takes much fumbling with drivers to work. On Macs, you get a gorgeous case with an operating system that was designed to work flawlessly with the hardware they offer. You have editing programs available to you that are tailored exclusively for your OS and are used by thousands of professionals world-wide. You have no need to worry about viruses because even if they could, virus writers don't care enough to write problem software for OSX anyway. You get a system that's difficult to screw up and works without error out of the box. You have the potential to run a computer, mouse, and keyboard with only a single wire (new iMac + wireless peripherals thanks to built-in bluetooth). Programs that you buy for Macs are pretty much guaranteed to work because I think you need to clear a program with Apple before putting it up for sale. You can put any OS you want on the computer. HOWEVER: They charge much more money than anything on their computers is worth. You cannot run the programs of other operating systems to their full potential due to the hardware restrictions. Even aside from games, OSX has a much more limited program selection (just pointing it out, even though it doesn't matter to over 90% of their consumers). Good luck upgrading without either: A) Sending your comp in and paying a ridiculous service charge in addition to the price of the parts. B) Buying a new Mac. or C) Buying a Mac Pro, which starts expensive and is still quite limited in addon selection. Though, like everyone else, I don't know every thing you can do with every system, it seems like everything you can do on an Apple PC, you can do with a PC you build yourself. Aside from the immense amount of processes that usually end up running in the background in Windows, owning a Mac really isn't better than owning a non-OSX PC for a user who knows how to handle his computers. TL;DR Mac PCs are no better to have than non-OSX PCs, except when compatibility is an issue. If you're a gamer, stay away from Macs. If you don't care for games, are willing to pay extra for some more convenience in hardware and reliability in your operating system, go Mac. If you're into music/video editing, it depends on what programs you need compatibility with. ------------- 
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Posted By: +DreX+
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:01pm
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windows 3.1 FTW! Now I'm running Windows 2000, It doesnt use as much resources as Xp, and pretty much runs all new programs ------------- Insert Fail Here |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:04pm
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It comes down to personal preference and what you are getting it to do. Useless bickering on which is best is boring. ------------- 
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:08pm
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Apple, I grew up on it like many grew up on windows, you put me in front of
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:14pm
Well done. Good job on that. |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:22pm
Spec out some laptops, and you'll see they're pretty comparable. Haven't looked at the desktops.
My MBP runs games pretty damn well under boot camped XP
Seems like opinion to me.
Again, boot camp, etc.
I've yet to find a replacement for a Windows program that isn't at least as good as the Windows version, IMO. They're quite often free as well.
Seems to me like owning a PC is no better than owning a Mac, since you can run OS X (better) or Windows (if needed/for games). The only reason I wouldn't buy an Apple machine is if I was on an extremely tight budget, or I already had one and was building a PC as a secondary machine (gaming rig, server, etc). |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:28pm
Dual booting would be paying extra to negate the positive effects of the mac. |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:29pm
it's what you grew up with. that's the point. it's learning something new, and it's the same as if a mac user switched to PC, they'd be a little confused. We used iMac's for Film Study, and they were easy enough for me to use, and I love the programs, and I'll be buying a MacBook Pro in June before I leave for college. Love em. To clarify, I own a PC right now |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:35pm
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My impression from the commericals seems to be that mac owners are portrayed as trendy elitists who think that they are better than the loveable pc owners.
Wikipedia seems to agree. |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:44pm
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The whole boot camp argument is exceedingly lame. You've got your programs spread out over 2 OS's, and you've got to reboot to get back and forth. You've also got to pay for another operating system (legally) and you still can't upgrade your hardware like you can with a gaming PC. I don't know about the program choices for Mac, but I love all the tweaks and things you can get for XP. As long as you're not a noob, it's reliable and very customizable.
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Posted By: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 6:03pm
Bottom line right their. Again, it's all personal preference, but as long as you know what you're doing and familiar with computers, theres really no reason to go Mac. For the price of a Mac, you can build a better/more powerful PC with options for upgrading. XP is customizable, and games always run best on their native OS (no boot camp). If your techy and know your stuff, save some money and get a PC and soup it up. If you don't know much about computers, gaming isn't your thing, and you've got plenty of cash to blow, get a Mac. |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 6:13pm
Boot camp isn't emulation, it's legitimately running Windows |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 6:44pm
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Mac Vs PC is an age old argument that will never go away, but is more pointless now than ever before.
The discussion was always one of specialization. Mac for "artsy" stuff, like animation, and music creation/production; and PC for office productivity and gaming. But technology has progressed to the point where that is null. Software that used to be Apple Only for recording music or Computer Graphics Animation is now available for Windows as well, and Mac has an office suite of software that is supposed to be very good, and even MS Office is now written for Mac OS. And of course, PC gaming is easily accomplished on a Mac now, all you gotta do is install Windows. So, it all comes down to preference. Bickering about which is better is simply silly. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 6:52pm
You don't understand how boot camp works do you? |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 7:08pm
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 7:18pm
That is why you don't update through apple, I agree that there upgrades are expensive. That is why I will never buy an upgrade from apple, instead I go somewhere like deal mac and purchase them for less than half the price of apples upgrades that they offer. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:26pm
Not quite. Windows used to be a very buggy OS, since Windows 2000 and the switch to NT-based Operating systems, they are much more stable. They also have to support millions of possible system configurations, compared to the handful OS X needs to support. In general I agree that Unix makes a very stable kernel, but the old argument that Windows is unreliable doesn't hold anymore.
This used to be true, not really any more. Apples were the industry standard for media a long time ago, but today PCs are just as, if not more capable then a mac at media editing/rendering. The only real difference between the two is the operating system. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:40pm
Can you back that up then please? |
Posted By: mamasboi
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:49pm
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doesn't mac have a program that can run windows xp http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html - here im clearly a pc guy but i would probably get a mac if it wasn't so much money |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:54pm
Thats vague, what do you want backed up? Windows NT is a much more expandable operating system. All newer Windows Operating Systems are based on it, unlike previous versions which were based on DOS. Its a server platform, and offers a great deal of support for multiple processing platforms. OS X runs on a line of laptops and a line of desktops, all use almost the same hardware (Intel processor architecture , Nvidia 7300 and Quadro cards, etc. ) so it can be tailored for these particular components and builds. Presently I cant think of a single application Apple has when it comes to media that is not either available on a Windows platform or has a comparable counterpart on PCs, in both commercial and Open source flavors. The hardware in an apple isn't proprietary and offers no benefit that a PC can't offer. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 9:59pm
| No I want to see when the pendulum swung back to the middle in terms of video, sound, and animation experts going back to pc. |
Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:05pm
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Its all a preference in my opinion. Bickering over which is better is never going to go anywhere.
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:41pm
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i love mac for my school work and i really don't play a whole bunch of pc games.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:44pm
Prove to me it hasn't? I'm just talking about the levels of technology and professionalism offered by both platforms. I know tons of folks who do everything from modeling to video and photo editing to music editing and composing on PCs and swear by it, and i know of folks who do the same by Mac. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:02pm
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A mac is a personal computer. Anyways, more gay people use macs. Where did bjelder go? I'll use my pc over a mac any day. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:10pm
More gay people using macs isin't a negative thing, it's just a thing. I wouldn't be surprised though, trendyness and metrosexuality often go hand in hand. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 11:16pm
ftw. i grew up on windows, and as much as i hate it i still use it, which yes is ignorant but its what i'm familiar with mac commercials suck, imo they just make them seem like idiots. although i like that sunny in philidelphia commercial where the guy says, "hi i'm mac", DeVito says "i'm PC" mac- "pc?" DeVito squeezes red nose and says "Perverted Clown" good times. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 12:31am
I'm not trying to add fuel to the Mac/PC debate, see my post above. But I'd like to point out that audio recording used to be one of the Mac only realms. In the past several years, nearly every major recording program that was available on Mac now offers a PC version, including most plugins as well. Cubase, Cakewalk Guitar Tracks, and the juggernaut of recording, Pro Tools is available on Win XP as well as Mac. The only commonly used recording program that I can think of off the top of my head that is Mac only is Logic, which is written by Apple. |
Posted By: jordanpischke
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:26am
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I am not sure really I have always used windows at home, but most of the time our school computers are macs. A mac is definately easier in the fact that you cannot get any viruses,spyware and all that crap, but if you get a good antivirus/spyware program on a pc it can just as good. I think I like pc's more just because I'm used to them and have used them alot more than I have used macs. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:37am
You don't prove negatives. Not how arguing works. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:44am
Fine, prove to me apple is still exclusively used by professionals. Its the same question . . . ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:46am
I cannot provide scientific evidence, only personal experience. I have not personally been in a production lab or design studio where the brunt of the work, if not all the work, was done on Apple product. -------------
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Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 2:22am
Not saying this is proof or nothing, cause it is just one person. But my cousin uses Apple Mac products or w.e you wanna call them for all his work, and so does all the people he works and records with. ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 2:46am
I didn't say exclusively, I said mostly. And if you want some examples, have some: -Snow Patrol use macs for recording, and live performances. -So does Gabriel & Dresden -and Junkie XL -Nine Inch Nails uses macs, and released tracks for apples garageband. -The Hallmark card company uses macs. -South Park is made on macs. - http://www.blastradius.com/ - Blast Radius uses macs. -Keyboardist Roger O’Donnell uses macs. -How about Mercedes-Benz USA? -Kirk Dianda & Rob Dyrdek used macs to create their videos. -The animation team from movies such as the Corpse Bride were made on macs. -Obviously Pixar uses macs -WWE motion graphics are made on macs. -The AARP magazine is made on macs. -Re-mastering Star Wars was done on over 500 macs. -Napoleon Dynamite was made on mac. -The tv show Scrubs is made using macs -When Chad Muska makes music, he uses macs. -Danny Elfman uses macs too :D Should I keep going? |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 3:07am
Actually, Pixar uses Dell servers and Linux http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=92075 - Link And I agree many professionals use macs, I never said otherwise, but by no means is it a superior platform for media. The playing field is level now. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 3:19am
You realize that the render farm and servers have NOTHING to do with the creative aspects/ actually making the movies, right? They make it all on macs, then go "here render farm, create each frame" |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 3:42am
Geeze buddy, relax, I'm not ragging on macs here, I'm simply pointing out that PCs are just as capable and valuable as any mac is in media. If you want to get hissy over what hardware handles what task, then I hope you of course realize Renderman, the suite used by Pixar for all its films and animation, is a Unix/Windows NT software package which is run on workstations by the artists to create the movements and actions of the models? I don't deny that they may well build the original models on macs, but in the words of my friends studying 3D animation, the real art form in animation isn't building the models, its making them move. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 4:28am
Renderman is a plugin for programs such as maya, and also speaking from experience good luck getting a model to move in he first place if they're built poorly. |
Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:27am
| PC because it's what I've been exposed to. Never really liked MACs, except for that they look pretty cool. |
Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:08am
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good lord people, i was just asking what you prefered...not if one or the other is more panzy...MAC updates as well as their parts (keyboard, mouse, monitor) are very expensive -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 12:23pm
Mac updates cost money now? Weird, cause I usually just click this and it does it all for me: 
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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 12:35pm
 then that means my friend lied...he said he got a software update and it cost him $20, he said he got fed up with MACs because of all thier expensive parts so he got rid of it n got a PC-------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:29pm
probably talking about the new touch update -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 1:34pm
Which is so stupid :( Even the Zune got a free software upgrade...come on apple... |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 4:05pm
Apparently he has not heard of the concept of third parties. -------------
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:18pm
Like every windows user does, which is why all of there computers are cheaper than apple's. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:21pm
You think EVERY machine out there running windows was cheaper than a mac. GG. |
Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:25pm
LOL no and that is a no by far actually, I know there are plenty of windows that cost the same or more than a mac. But a lot of the people arguing that apple's are expensive, are the ones that go out and buy a mid end dell or compaq or sony or whatever have you. Then they get a couple of 3rd party upgrades, and think they have the best computer ever. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:28pm
That is the fault of the person, not because they were running windows. Moot point. |
Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 8:34pm
I am not trying to say that it is anyones fault, I just don't think people understand that they aren't buying straight from windows. If they were I am sure the computers would be just as expensive, as would be the upgrades. ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:10pm
Everybody knows that they aren't buying straight from windows. But they aren't buying straight so what is your point? Seems to reinforce the point that macs are overpriced because they are made by apple. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 11:29pm
Your missing the point of the argument. I built my computer myself for much much less then it would have cost to buy an equivalent dell or prebuilt computer. This is because they have to charge to assemble it and slap on huge fees to make a profit. I also have the benefit of knowing exactly what hardware my computer has and how it should be tweaked to run optimally. In other words, I got the best bang for my buck. With an apple computer, you not only have the downside of a prebuilt PC, you also have a proprietary operating system which no one else can offer, so apple has less incentive to lower prices. You are at their mercy. In addition you pay out the wazzo for the fancy casing they do (which, ironically is worse for your computer, because the limited cooling used and the intel chips used produce vast amounts of heat and thats generally very bad for a computer, not sure how apple avoids burnt out computers, but thats a rant for the actual design of macs). In essence, you pay even more for what turns out to be even less. I'll say right now my PC has almost $3000 in hardware inside or connected to it, but that money goes much further then it would in a mac or dell or any prebuilt machine. Macs are decent computers, don't get me wrong, but to me they're just not worth it.
Understatement of the century. RenderMan is an entire language and suite of rendering tools, protocols and modeling specifications. And yeah, models are definetely very important, but Pixar's animation artists don't deal anywhere near as much with making the models as making them move. Thats the most challenging part of any animation, making the movement believable . There is a whole different team for modeling. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 11:40pm
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Macs have, by far, the best brand loyalty of any computer company. This is for a reason.
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Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 11:41pm
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 11:46pm
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Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 11:47pm
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Date Posted: 17 January 2008 at 12:04am
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 January 2008 at 12:14am
It actually is to quite a few followers. |