Zippo25 wrote: zign?

Its a internet thing. It's hard to explain.

Snake6 wrote: You have fun with that, but be prepared to have an entire hopper unloaded on you when you get seen. Wanna be ghillie ub3r 1337 5n1p3rs normally get 30-100 rounds done their throat from normal players.

Thus says the Lord GODA, 'A disaster, unique disaster, behold it is coming!

last year, i was playing with some people and i seen that happen, every one pretended that we dident know where he was and then, 10 vs 1, it was funny as hell, over 2,000 pb were raining on him.

I disagree about this whole "ghille suit 'wanna be snipers' get unloaded on".  I think that's way to over-generalized.  I have played with many people using ghillie suits and never before have I seen or heard of someone cheating by claiming they 'didnt feel the hit'.  I think if it was a REAL ghillie suit this could be a problem as they have many, many layers of different fabrics and textures.  However, a ghillie suit made of burlap and fish-net? You'd feel it though burlap no problem, unless you're planning on wearing a whole lot of layers. 

I say go for it.  If it does happen you're bonous balled to an extreme extent for the reason of wearing a ghillie suit then that field has more problems than just over-dressed players and should consider more/better refs to keep an eye on things.  Just my 2 cents. 

And to suggest that people who wear a ghillie suit are 'wanna be snipers' etc etc is quite ignorant.  Ghillie suits, much like normal camo BDU's and clothing of that sort can be used by any player, whether they think they are 'snipers' or not.  If used properly ghillie and you wear a ghillie that matches the environment you are playing in it can hide you very nicely and help you set up ambushes and/or remain hidden to give you an advantage over others. 

To each their own snake.  I guess 4-5 years isn't very long in the long run.  I think it very low if some wears a ghillie suit to make balls bounce and for that reason alone.  If they wear it becuase they think it gives them an advantage, fine.  If they cheat, then it says something about them and that should be closure enough.  If one feels the need to bonus ball them to get them out, fine.  I know I wouldn't do either and I expect those on my team wouldn't either.  If you see it done, you should say something to the player. 

And this forum sure has something against the aspect of paintball 'snipers'.  Obviously the range and ballistics advantage does not exist, but similar aspects of sniping can be adopted (if done properly) to give one an advantage on the paintball field. 

Oh, and Cobra A5 you have a PM

Snake6 wrote: [QUOTE=bmax]  How many large scenarios have you played? What type of experience do you have outside of the realm of paintball? Have you ever been trained in the proper use of one?

  This disjointed section has my seal of "crappy grammar". 

Sorry..I had to.  Anyway..I think I'll do just that and argue about paintball snipers.  Thanks for the idea

bmax wrote: [QUOTE=Snake6] [QUOTE=bmax]  How many large scenarios have you played? What type of experience do you have outside of the realm of paintball? Have you ever been trained in the proper use of one?

Sorry..but I really don't get what you mean.  Proper use of what? "Common sense dictates" that you put sentences in the same paragraph because they have the same topic and thus you can interchange pronouns such as the word "one".  What have I not been trained in the proper use of? You were just talking about scenario paintball events.

bmax wrote: Snake6 wrote:  How many large scenarios have you played? What type of experience do you have outside of the realm of paintball? Have you ever been trained in the proper use of one? Sorry..but I really don't get what you mean.  Proper use of what? "Common sense dictates" that you put sentences in the same paragraph because they have the same topic and thus you can interchange pronouns such as the word "one".  What have I not been trained in the proper use of? You were just talking about scenario paintball events.

how hard is it to read that, it's simple, he is asking 3 questions at once, what experence you have with the sport and real life training. for a guy that is smart (or trying to be) you are shure being dumb by not understanding the questions.

Snake6 wrote: Don't even try to argue paintball sniper with me. You will lose everytime.

Yes you will win every time when it comes to this, thats because you  wants to get the facts straight. good job :)

bmax wrote: I have played with many people using ghillie suits and never before have I seen or heard of someone cheating by claiming they 'didnt feel the hit'.

ghilis suits are cool but they are kinda cheating when it comes to paintball, 90% of the time the ball wont break.

In my year of paintball (yes i have 1 year of experience to the sport going on 2 years) my first big scenario game, over 600 people, atleast  50 people were kicked off the feild due to them cheating with gulil suites (the paint dident break on them) and they kept playing so they got bannd.

I just personally dont see why people get soooooooo angry when the word sniper comes up lol. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying they exist, but its a game ppl. I've been to a game where this one guy ran around in a pink bodysuit on a dare lol, we were all quite amused but didn't rag on him for not being cool or whatever. If u wanna wear ghillie, wear ghillie, just know its pretty impractical.

And i guess thats where my problem with this whole thing is. Saying someone deserves 3rd degree burns cause he was wearing a ghillie? To me thats stupid. If a kid wants to think he's a super sharp shooter... who cares. Its just a game

Zippo25 wrote: I just personally dont see why people get soooooooo angry when the word sniper comes up lol. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying they exist, but its a game ppl. I've been to a game where this one guy ran around in a pink bodysuit on a dare lol, we were all quite amused but didn't rag on him for not being cool or whatever. If u wanna wear ghillie, wear ghillie, just know its pretty impractical. And i guess thats where my problem with this whole thing is. Saying someone deserves 3rd degree burns cause he was wearing a ghillie? To me thats stupid. If a kid wants to think he's a super sharp shooter... who cares. Its just a game

Who said that someone wearing a ghillie deserved thrid degree burns?

Snake6 wrote: Zippo25 wrote: I just personally dont see why people get soooooooo angry when the word sniper comes up lol. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying they exist, but its a game ppl. I've been to a game where this one guy ran around in a pink bodysuit on a dare lol, we were all quite amused but didn't rag on him for not being cool or whatever. If u wanna wear ghillie, wear ghillie, just know its pretty impractical. And i guess thats where my problem with this whole thing is. Saying someone deserves 3rd degree burns cause he was wearing a ghillie? To me thats stupid. If a kid wants to think he's a super sharp shooter... who cares. Its just a game Who said that someone wearing a ghillie deserved thrid degree burns?

+1...where'd that come from?

Anyway, if you want to make a simple, light burlap ghillie, here's a few steps to follow that can make a decent looking one if done properly.  From what I've heard it makes an okay one.  http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=627734 - http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=627734   never tried it though, so don't hold me to it. 

And the balls not breaking issue is probably related to the type of ghillie suit worn.  Obviously heavier ghillie suits will absorb the hit of a ball and cause it not to break, but a simple burlap ghillie shouldn't stop balls.  I tested out someone's home-made ghillie at our local field and..well..you could definately feel them.  I was just wearing a t-shirt on under neath.  The impact felt like I was wearing a heavier sweater. 

Just my thoughts anyway.

PS: That picture was meant as a joke and nothing more.  I'm obviously not going to try and attack his grammerz or spelling as:

1) That's dumb because he probably doesn't care

2) Mine is equally bad

So put then guns away fella's

brihard wrote: bmax wrote: And this forum sure has something against the aspect of paintball 'snipers'.  Obviously the range and ballistics advantage does not exist, but similar aspects of sniping can be adopted (if done properly) to give one an advantage on the paintball field.  False. Yes, those skills can confer an advantage on the paintball field, but they by no means lend any credence to the concept of a paintball 'sniper'.

That's my point exactly... you can use [some] real world sniper tactics on the paintball field to give you an advantage..would you care to relate what is false about that statement? I agree there's no such thing as a sniper, but there's such a thing as utilizing and adopting appropriate sniper tactics for the paintball field and that's all I was trying to say. 

People around here jump at any chance they get to shoot down the aspect of paintball 'sniping'. Even if you say "here's a pic of my sniper" the thread is instantly turned into a spam-fest of why it doesn't exist.  I say leave it alone.  By all means address the issue in moderation if the tactic or position is deliberatly addressed/questioned, but don't spam the fact that it doesn't exist in threads like this or pictures of markers that look like snipers.  If someone want's to say 'I play sniper in paintball' let them.  It doesn't hurt you, leave it alone...

Snake6 wrote: You have no idea. In all my time one this forum you know how many times these "sniper" threads came up? Thousands. Do a search through older threads on this forum, and you will understand the reason behind our attitude. Once you get some time on here you will understand.

Haha, Snake, I know exactly what you mean.  I'll sign off from one forum and go to another and it's like the exact same person has made another thread asking or debating about snipers.  By all means engage in these threads and voice your opinions.  I know I do it because I agree with the stance.  I'm just saying keep it out of threads not related to the role of a paintball sniper.  My $.02 anyway.

Snake6 wrote: Zippo25 wrote: I just personally dont see why people get soooooooo angry when the word sniper comes up lol. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying they exist, but its a game ppl. I've been to a game where this one guy ran around in a pink bodysuit on a dare lol, we were all quite amused but didn't rag on him for not being cool or whatever. If u wanna wear ghillie, wear ghillie, just know its pretty impractical. And i guess thats where my problem with this whole thing is. Saying someone deserves 3rd degree burns cause he was wearing a ghillie? To me thats stupid. If a kid wants to think he's a super sharp shooter... who cares. Its just a game Who said that someone wearing a ghillie deserved thrid degree burns?

On the first page, a link was posted about a guys ghillie going up in flame. You replied by saying he deserved it.

carl_the_sniper wrote: Zippo25 wrote: Snake6 wrote: Zippo25 wrote: I just personally dont see why people get soooooooo angry when the word sniper comes up lol. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying they exist, but its a game ppl. I've been to a game where this one guy ran around in a pink bodysuit on a dare lol, we were all quite amused but didn't rag on him for not being cool or whatever. If u wanna wear ghillie, wear ghillie, just know its pretty impractical. And i guess thats where my problem with this whole thing is. Saying someone deserves 3rd degree burns cause he was wearing a ghillie? To me thats stupid. If a kid wants to think he's a super sharp shooter... who cares. Its just a game Who said that someone wearing a ghillie deserved thrid degree burns?   On the first page, a link was posted about a guys ghillie going up in flame. You replied by saying he deserved it. I can't believe you actually took that seriously.

Someone needs a new one of these.

bmax wrote: I disagree about this whole "ghille suit 'wanna be snipers' get unloaded on".  I think that's way to over-generalized.  I have played with many people using ghillie suits and never before have I seen or heard of someone cheating by claiming they 'didnt feel the hit'.

The issue is not so much “not feeling the hit,” as it is the fact that ghillie makes breaks much less likely.  This is why many fields dictate that any hit on a ghillie suited player is an elimination irregardless of breakage.

bmax wrote: And the balls not breaking issue is probably related to the type of ghillie suit worn.

Definitely, but it is much easier for fields to make a blanket rule than something excessively complicated that spells out the rule for each and every type of ghillie suit.

Oh, and I can attest that I have also seen ghillie suited players take advantage of the bounce factor to remain in when they should have been out.

bmax wrote: That's my point exactly... you can use [some] real world sniper tactics on the paintball field to give you an advantage..would you care to relate what is false about that statement? I agree there's no such thing as a sniper, but there's such a thing as utilizing and adopting appropriate sniper tactics for the paintball field and that's all I was trying to say.

The countering point that is being offered/supported by the militarily experienced members is that the “sniper” tactics the supposed “paintball snipers” use are not sniping tactics at all.  Instead they are standard basic infantry skills.

Additionally, using a ghillie is not a skill.  Using it correctly takes skill, but the ghillie itself is just a piece of equipment.  One that by its nature not only has very limited use for paintball but also has the potential to facilitate cheating. 

carl_the_sniper wrote: Zippo25 wrote: My apologies then. I didn't see the sarcasm Seriously? Snake6 wrote: mamasboi wrote: Mack wrote: http://www.warpig.com/paintball/articles/news/012103_ghilliefire.shtml - This is why flame retardant is recommended for ghillies. scary He deserved it. [Evangelical voice]AND LORDA DID SMITE THEE UBER 1337 SNIPERS DOWN TO THE FIRES OF HELLLL! REPENT ELSE HE WILL RAIN HIS HOLY FIRE DOWN ON YOU 'TILL YOU WISH YOU NEVER BEEN BORNA!! THUS SAYS THE LORDA YOUR GODA!!!!![/evangelical voice] How the hell did you not see the sarcasm there?

Really. That is about as obvious as you can get.

carl_the_sniper wrote: Zippo25 wrote: My apologies then. I didn't see the sarcasm Seriously? Snake6 wrote: mamasboi wrote: Mack wrote: http://www.warpig.com/paintball/articles/news/012103_ghilliefire.shtml - This is why flame retardant is recommended for ghillies. scary He deserved it. [Evangelical voice]AND LORDA DID SMITE THEE UBER 1337 SNIPERS DOWN TO THE FIRES OF HELLLL! REPENT ELSE HE WILL RAIN HIS HOLY FIRE DOWN ON YOU 'TILL YOU WISH YOU NEVER BEEN BORNA!! THUS SAYS THE LORDA YOUR GODA!!!!![/evangelical voice] How the hell did you not see the sarcasm there?

Only the universe and stupididty of kids on forums is infinite. 

Yikes... I think the subject was...? Oh yes, a ghillie suit. Link: http://www.ehow.com/how_2075094_make-ghillie-suit.html - http://www.ehow.com/how_2075094_make-ghillie-suit.html

Seems pretty straightforward to me.  I might have to give this a shot when summer rolls around and I've got nothing better to do. 

woah guys relax no need for insults. Obviously the preaching part was sarcasm, it was the "he deserved it" that i found offensive. Either way it was a mis-understanding on my part. I agree with you guys on the non-sniper debate, i just fail to understand why people get sooo angry at those who even mention the word sniper.

Don't wanna talk about ghillie suits.... okay.  I'll just PM him with some info. 

I declare: