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Topic: Ontario Knife Company
Posted By: Kristofer
Subject: Ontario Knife Company
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 6:05pm
So Ive been looking for knives lately, good knives of course for military use. I am leaning toward OKC because they supply the Marines with out bayonets. anyone know if their other knives are any good?

also, does anyone know if the blackwater and blackhawk knives are any good, or worth their price? the OKC knives are much cheaper.



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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 7:05pm
Rather than looking at Manufacturers alone... if you are looking for a good "military-type" knife that you plan on putting through it's paces and/or will be entrusting your life to... I'd suggest more in-depth research before making a purchase.

Look into the different types of steel, and what might make one type more appealing than another. Try glancing through some knife forums. I know nothing and haven't had enough interest in edged tools to gain any knowledge myself.

I myself, bought a bunch of Ontario ("Spec Plus") knives back in '94-'95. Seem like decent construction, and the all-black has a nice "cool factor" to it... but whether or not these are knives worthy of actual military-use... cannot say. I'm sure they're equal to any "issue" blade out there. Which doesn't say much. Remember that "lowest bidder" aspect.

Blackwater knives I think are made by Benchmark. Benchmark is a good name. Again... research the steel types. And if a comparable Benchmark knife is less expensive, don't pay extra just for the Blackwater name.
Don't know anything about Blackhawk knives.


Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 7:10pm
yeah i know no knife forums, and i known nothing about steel used in anything haha. i figured people here were more informed than myself. thanks for the heads up though...

i am looking at getting one of the spec plus knives haha


Posted By: Pezzer
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 7:19pm
Google is your friend.

http://knifeforums.com/forums/fusionbb.php? - http://knifeforums.com/forums/fusionbb.php?


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Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:00pm

Krsitofer,

Go to Bladeforums.com

I collect and make knives,  what is your main useage going to be?

Ontario uses good old fashioned carbon steel,  and they are a good value.   They do need some final dressing and sharpening, as i find a lot fo them fairly obtuse on the cutting edge.

 

 



Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:01pm
best knife ever handed to a US Marine.

forged in the fires of Mordor. Cooled on the Blood of endagered species.


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Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:04pm

Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

best knife ever handed to a US Marine.

forged in the fires of Mordor. Cooled on the Blood of endagered species.

 

That knife looks like a Piece of doggy doo!

well, actually,  I made that piece of doggy doo.

5160 Carbon Spring steel,  1/4" thick, Rockwell hardness about 56C.

 

 



Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:17pm

And there is this one.



Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:18pm
picasso i am looking to use it as another combat type knife like my bayonet. really sharp, strong, and can hold an edge pretty well.

cheesy as it may sound, i'd like it to look somewhat cool, bad ass, whatever.


Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:20pm
Those are some very nice looking knives, Picasso. 

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Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:27pm

Thanks sinisternorth.

Kristofer,  just know that your bayonet is not really a knife.  I mean,  it can do some cutting and hacking,  but, it's made for stabbing.  You can also use it as a crowbar due to it's thickness.

Instead of trying to replicate it,  try to find something that does other things,  like cuts.   Sharpen your bayonet and try to cut a thivck piece of rope with it.  It sucks.    try to find something that will cxut rope, carboard, and throats. 

I like Carbon steel.  forget stainless.  Carbon steel is straightforward, strong, and holds an edge. 

 



Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:34pm
ah thank you. something that cuts. good observation. i know nothing about knives as you can see haha.

do you know if the spec plus ontario knives are any good?


Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:37pm

Well they are 1095 carbon steel,  which is good.

Their edges are obtuse (thick) beter for hacking like a htachet,  than slicing,  like meat.  They are a good value for the dollar, especially if you can rework the edge.

Give me your price range and i can give you some possibles.

 



Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:40pm
anything under $200 really. i want it to be really good and therefore willing to spend good money on it.

ive already decided i am gona purchase this for when i go to iraq... weaponology sold me on it when i watched the army ranger episode.

http://www.fehrmanknives.com/id70.htm - LaGana VTAC


but i'd also like a bad ass knife...

i am a huge gear **edited** by the way.


EDIT: I dont know why my word was blocked from the language filter. but whatever. weird.


Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 8:47pm

Your price range is reasonable to find something of worthy quality.

the VTAC,  hmmm,  keep an open mind.  not many trees in Iraq.  Ands there are but so many pieces of gear you can have ready at hand.

Don't listen to salespeople,  listen to fellow Marines who have been there,  and what they have found most useful.  learn from them.



Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:01pm

Kristofer,

I have this knife,  and I like it quite a bit.

http://www.knivesplus.com/ontario-rat7-knife-qn-rat7s.html - http://www.knivesplus.com/ontario-rat7-knife-qn-rat7s.html

You can then have money enough to put it in a high quality sheath, like this one:  http://tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/gear%20organizers%20main/spec-ops_brand_survival_sheath.htm - http://tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/gear%20organizers%20main/s pec-ops_brand_survival_sheath.htm

You need the large size which will take up to a 7.5" knife.

The sheath has an outboard compartment for a Multi-tool (leatherman or gerber).  I keep a Gerber multi-tool in mine and a sharpener. 

Serrations on the knife are your choice. They come with and without serrations.   Some people don't like them, but they have their place.  Great for cutting stuff like rope, bone, etc.

This would be a good set-up. You might have almost enough money left for the multi-tool. 

 

 



Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:22pm
well an army ranger interviewed on the show killed an insurgent with it haha. and army rangers are pretty bad ass i will admit so that intrigued me. and i was in retail, so i know to be wary or sales people. if $200 will get me a somewhat good knife, how much would i spend to get like the most ultimate bad ass knife?

EDIT: What is your opinion on Ka-Bars? also, how is D2 steel?


Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:48pm
Picasso, could you make me a knife?

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

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What is your opinion on Ka-Bars? also, how is D2 steel?


Ka-bars are a good inexpensive utility knife. Good for last ditch defence and opening MRE's. But more for the Artifact Relic status they have among Marines. After all Marines should have a Kabar.

But I do recomend their Mule Folder Serries. Inexpensive, Beefy and Strong. For Under $100 you can get one engraved so you can pass it on to someone you care about.

http://americanbladecreations.com/kabar-desert-mule.html - linkage!

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Posted By: Picasso
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:59pm

D2 is harder steel, it is like a tool steel, kind of.  Which can be good,  but can be harder to sharpen when dull.   It has less flex than something like a 1095 Carbon Steel which is also used to make springs.

I like 1095 due to it's sharpenability.

For a really kick butt knife,  try this one:  http://bussecombat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Return_Screen=LIST&Store_Code=BCKC&Product_Code=ASH1 - http://bussecombat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&am p;Return_Screen=LIST&Store_Code=BCKC&Product_Code=AS H1

This is what I would stake my life on.   Also, 100% Lifetime warranty.  Edge holding ability A++++ 

And they are patriotic and support the troops.   If you place an order and tell them you are bound for Iraq,  they may be able to help you a bit,  no promises.   You have to order these in advance, and once they receive their quota of orders, thats it,  gone.  Thye don't charge your card until the run is ready to ship to you.   They only make but so many per batch.    This one just happens to be a good all round useful size, without being super huge,  or a pen knife.  

I highly recommend this one.  You will always be able to sell it for what you paid for it,  and sometimes even a bit more.

I have several Busse knives.  They are one heck of a knife.

 



Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 10:57pm
Odd, I've used a Ka-bar for a couple years now and done everything with it, hell i even cut down a small tree with it...it works great.

But kristofer, if you wanna look cool with any knife, make sure the handle has a skull crusher on it. Earns 50 badass points no matter how crappy the knife is.

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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 11:37pm
I would love to make some knives of my own one day, but I need an anvil/forge. Forging stuff was fun when I got to toy around with it sophomore year.

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 20 January 2008 at 11:40pm
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Odd, I've used a Ka-bar for a couple years now and done everything with it, hell i even cut down a small tree with it...it works great.

But kristofer, if you wanna look cool with any knife, make sure the handle has a skull crusher on it. Earns 50 badass points no matter how crappy the knife is.


They have canadian Ka-Bars? are they called Eh-bars?

And I agree on the Skull Crusher. Thou more bad ass is the Skullcrusher/Bottle Opener mu one of a kind custom knife has.

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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 6:11am
haha, i dont care about me looking cool, i want knife to be kinda cool, but more better.

picasso how is this for a steel? its from that link you gave.

Steel: INFI Hardness: 58-60 Rc

any other knife companies like busse out there that i can browse through?


Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 6:54am
Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Odd, I've used a Ka-bar for a couple years now and done everything with it, hell i even cut down a small tree with it...it works great.

But kristofer, if you wanna look cool with any knife, make sure the handle has a skull crusher on it. Earns 50 badass points no matter how crappy the knife is.


They have canadian Ka-Bars? are they called Eh-bars?

And I agree on the Skull Crusher. Thou more bad ass is the Skullcrusher/Bottle Opener mu one of a kind custom knife has.


Nah, a marine i was working with traded it for a box of canadiaqn IMP's.....and by the way, your so witty ;)

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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 11:45am

As someone who enjoys knives but knows little about them, I am getting a kick out of these replies.

Good thread.



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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 3:17pm
Bark River Bravo-1


those good knives picasso?


Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:



Nah, a marine i was working with traded it for a box of canadiaqn IMP's.....and by the way, your so witty ;)


DAUM IMP > MRE

IMP Menu 2004     

Ham Steak w/ Mustard
Scalloped Potatoes & Ham
Sausage & Hashbrowns
Beans & Weiners In Tomato sauce
Omlette w/ Mushroom Sauce
Breakfast Sausages
Thai Chicken
Cheese Ravioli’ Ub Rosee Sauce
Chicken Casserole w/ Rice
Salmon Filet Nature
Beef & Veggie Stew
Shepherds Pie
Beef Macaroni w/ Tomato Sauce
Pot Roast w/ Mushroom Sauce
Lasagna w/ Meat and Tomato Sauce
Chicken Breast w/ Gravy
Veal Cutlet w/ Lemon Sauce Peaches


Fruit Cocktail
Pears
Pineapple
Rasberry Apple Sauce
Spicy Apple Compote
Cherries
Sliced Apples
Apple Sauce
Baked Chocolate Dessert
Blueberries
Crunchie Cereals
Cinnamon Oatmeal
Bannana Oatmeal


Instant Dressing Mix
Instant Butter Garlic Rice
Instant Vegetable Rice
Sour Cream & Chives Mashed Potatoes


Bread

Assorted Cookies & Crackers
Assorted Chocolate Bars
Jam,Jellies, & Marmalade
Condiments
Butterscotch Pudding
Beverages Soups   

Coffee - Assorted
Tea
Hot Chocolate - Assorted
Herbal Tea - Assorted
Lemon Drink
Mango Drink
Orange - Pineapple Drink
Cherry Drink
Strawberry Drink
Passion Fruit Drink Chicken Noodle Soup
French Onion Soup
Beef Vegetable Soup




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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 10:17pm
Yep, that's right...

And to think some troops COMPLAIN about our IMP's....beats cooking mac and cheese for myself every night the wife is gone.

Plus you get to play with fire the whole time you are cooking!!

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