What are some good mods if i wanted to turn my x7 into a sniper?

Money is no factor

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Ignore the  trolls.

Welcome to the forum.

The real question is what you mean by "sniper".  As you may have gathered, that word attracts a lot of attention, but it really depends on what you want.

If you can describe what you are trying to achieve, we can perhaps offer some suggestions.

sinisterNorth wrote: Throw an Apex on it, get some uber cool body kit, and go hide in a bush.

N0 teh Rifled 36" ub3r 1337 5n1p3r is the way to go my friend has 1 it l1k3 sh00ts over 1 m1l3!!!!11111!111ONE!

Not snipers.  Marksman or sharpsooter regiments armed with rifled barreled "jaeger rifles".  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper

Generally, these sharpshooters were trained to aim for officers and NCO's on a battle field.  The idea behind there units was to put as many skilled shooters as they could aiming at these men to increase the chances of removing the command control element from the battle field.  The rifled barrel and a musket ball increased range and accuracy,but a round lead ball, rammed down a rifled barrel usually deformed the ball.  The musket ball was caste from mold.  Marksman/sharpshooters would try to hand select those rounds to further increase their chances of a hit.  Why?  Because the musket ball is not perfectly round.  a lop sided or deformed musket ballfired from either a smooth bore (like a paintball marker) or a rifled barrel (a barrel with lands and grooves and a twist to spin the ball) would decrease the accuracy of that shot. and that's not adding in wind, light, and temperature as additional factors.  The wikipedia link is a start, you may want to go to your local library and read "The Ultimate Sniper" for more on th history of these sharpshooter units.

The History of Military Sniping, and how it relates to the Game of Paintball.

Ok. So I got bored, and I am sick and tried of this stupid sniper debate. I got a Barnes and Noble gift card for Christmas, and didn’t know what else to get so I picked up several books on Military Snipers. Here are my findings.

< -- Note: Due to a problem with my code, you have to Highlight my rifle comparison tables to see them. It’s a bother, but if someone knows how to fix it, PM me. -- >

First lets go over the basics of what a sniper is, and what a sniper is not.

“A sniper…is considered a specialist, whose prime function is to kill selected high value targets at long range using superior skill and armament. A sharpshooter, by contrast, is a rifleman (proficient or otherwise) who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises”

From SNIPER by Adrian Gilbert

Keep this in your mind as you read the rest of the article.

The American Revolution (1775-83)

Sniping first came onto the battlefield during the American Revolution. Standard infantry of this period were equipped with “Brown Bess” smoothbore muskets. The Continental Congress approves 10 independent companies, armed with long rifles. The men of these companies were the first snipers.

Comparison between the “Brown Bess” musket, and the Long Rifle.

“A soldiers musket, if not exceedingly ill bored (as many are), will strike the figure of a man at 80 yards: it may even at 100, but a soldier must be very unfortunate indeed who shall be wounded by a common musket at 150 yards, provided that the antagonist aims at him; as to firing at a man at 200 yards, with a common, musket, you might as well fire at the moon.” –British Major Hanger, on the “Brown Bess” musket

 In contrast, the American Long Rifle (as carried by the Irregular companies), was effective in ranges up to 300 yards, and headshots could be achieved at 200. At these ranges American Snipers picked-off high ranking British Officers. During the battle of Saratoga an American sniper brought down British General Simon Frasier from a range of 300 yards. Despite its advantages the long rifle had several disadvantages. Its slow reload time(2 shots a minute), and lack of bayonet fixture made it useful only as a skirmisher weapon, not for use as a standard infantry weapon.

As you can see from the table, the Rifle outranged the common muskets of the time by over 200 yards. Also the muzzle velocity of the Rifle was much higher than that of the Brown Bess.

American Civil War (1861-65)

During the Civil War, the standard infantry rifles were the Enfield(for the south), and the Springfield(for the north). These were muzzleloading rifles with effective ranges up to 500 yards. The confederacy managed to acquire Witworth and Kerr rifles from Europe for their snipers. These rifles had an effective range of well over 1200 yards, and hits were reported at over 1500 yards.

Confederate Snipers were selected in a manner which has been used to select snipers in most present wars. The best men from each infantry regiment entered into shooting competitions. They were required to hit man-sized boards at 500 yards. The best shooters were given the prized Kerr and Witworth rifles. They then went through extensive training in the use of these rifles.

The snipers were warned never to get within 400 yards of the enemy, but to use their superior range, to keep the enemy at a safe distance.

World War I (1914-18)

US Snipers during World War I used modified, and accurized versions of  the standard service rifle the Springfield 1903, equipped with 2 to 4 power scopes. Snipers during the war mostly sniped from behind the MLR, the main trench line. These snipers were Infantrymen taken off the line, and equipped with scoped rifles. With their rifles they could pick the enemy off 3 or 4 trench lines back from the MLR. The marksmanship standard for infantry of the time was to be able to hit a standing man from around 100 yards. The snipers were trained to hit targets from over 500 yards.

World War II (1938-45)

World War II snipers were selected in different manners during the war. I will concentrate on the Marine Corps Snipers trained at Green’s Farm because the documentation of this school and its snipers is the best. There, snipers were instructed in 5 week courses in marksmanship, camouflage, and field craft. They were trained to approach a target using stealth and to eliminate the target from long distances. These snipers were required to hit a moving target at 500 yards, and to hit a stationary target at 1000. They were equipped much the same way as snipers in WWI were. These snipers used accurized versions of the M1903 Springfield service rifle, the A1 or A3 variants equipped with 2 or 4 power scopes. Marine Infantry qualified at 500 yards.

Korea (1950-53)

Korea, in the latter part of the war turned into a bogged down war of attrition, looking somewhat like the trench warfare of WWI. This, alongside Korea’s terrain of rolling hills combined to make it prime sniper territory. Sniping tactics in Korea did not change much from the tactics of WWII so I will not elaborate on them. The rifles also remained the same. Snipers in Korea were equipped with 1903A3 Variant Springfield’s, and National Match M1’s(which were used in competition shooting because they were more accurate than the standard M1) Equipped with 4 power scopes(the M1D model). The accuracy of the M1 was not as good as that of the Springfield, due to the need to offset the scope, and have major Eye Relief built-in to the rifle due to the Clip Feed of the M1. These M1’s still were able to reach ranges of 500 yards accurately. In Korea the use of the .50 caliber round for sniping was first seen. M2 Machine Guns mounted with a 10 power scope were able to reach ranges of 2800 yards effectively, Snipers also experimented with .55 Caliber Boy’s antitank rifles modified to take .50 caliber rounds, and mounted with scopes which had the same range as the M2, but was able to be carried by a man whereas the M2’s were limited to fixed positions.

Vietnam (1965-75)

Vietnam is the perfect example of how a sniper can be employed during combat. The restrictive ROE and vast open fields and rice paddy’s of Vietnam became prime sniper territory. The Marine Corps and the Army both Fielded Snipers. Army snipers were equipped with accurized versions of the M14 service rifle, accurate out to 700 yards. The Marine Corps fielded snipers equipped with Winchester Model 70 Hunting rifles firing the .30-06 cartridge, and later in the war snipers carried the M40, which fired the standard 7.62x51mm(.308) cartridge both of these rifles had an effective range of over 1000 yards. Also snipers used modified M2 .50 caliber machine guns, fitted with scopes. These were accurate to ranges out to 2500 yards. Normal infantry of the time fired the M16 Assault Rifle, and the enemy fired the AK-47 assault rifle. These rifles were designed for infantry combat which takes place in ranges of only around 200 yards, and can only be fired accurately up to 500 yards. Thus snipers were able to operate with impunity from beyond the range of effective return fire of the enemy.

Now through all these wars several things have remained in common among snipers, lets analyze these facts:

A sniper acts independently from standard infantry, not as a part of a unit but in a one or two man team.

This is possible in paintball, most of the time in scenario games, I am alone behind enemy lines trying to accomplish a mission. But you do very little if any tactical good for your team waiting in one spot for an entire game, hoping a target of high-value (such as the opposing general) walks by.

A sniper does not act at random, he selects targets of high value and eliminates them.

Targets of High Value in a military sense are:

1. Officers:
• Generals
• Field Grade officers
• Company Grade officers
2. Forward Observers
3. Crew Served Weaponry:
• Heavy Machine Guns
• Artillery Batteries
• Mortar Crews
4. Non Commissioned Officers
5. Radiomen

Targets of High Value in a paintball scenario game:

1. Generals
2. Tank Crewman (if there are tanks)
3. Um…. Yeah… that’s all I can think of...

The problem with selecting high value targets in a scenario paintball game is, there are very few. The vast majority of players play independently, not under any command and they do what they want. What officers and team captains there are do not look any different than any other players.

The Sniper fires at targets from beyond the range of return fire by the standard infantry weapons, or from distances that were beyond the training of the normal infantryman.

As you can see from the diagrams of the Sniper Rifles of the Period in comparison to the standard issue infantry weapons, the sniper rifle always has a great deal more range than infantry weapons, and the sniper has been trained to an accuracy standard that is beyond that of standard infantry training.

This is where sniping in paintball fails. All paintball markers except those equipped with the Flatline or Apex systems fire the same distance, around 25 yards or 75 feet. The Flatline will reach ranges of up to 150 ft, but because the ball loses velocity at the same rate as a normal paintball, the chances of getting a break, or a single accurate shot at those ranges are close to zero.

The sniper uses a single accurate shot to take his targets down.

The ammunition expended to kill ratio of a sniper in Vietnam was 1.7 rounds per kill. The average infantryman expended 50,000 rounds per confirmed kill.

It is possible to take targets down with a single shot in paintball. However it is near impossible to eliminate a target with a single shot from beyond the effective range of return fire by the enemy.  Paintballs are imperfect by nature, therefore they do not fly consistently enough every shot to make it possible to get anywhere close to the 1.7 rounds per kill ratio that snipers enjoy.

A sniper uses camouflage and concealment to hide himself from his enemies to eliminate his targets.

No qualms with this, it can be done. Most every scenario paintball player does it. Using camouflage doe not make you a sniper.

Now as you can see there are several places where sniping fails in paintball. Now look at the definition of a Sharpshooter:

“A sharpshooter… is a rifleman (proficient or otherwise) who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises”

From SNIPER by Adrian Gilbert

Ok, this looks a little more feasible in the game of paintball than the sniper definition doesn’t it?

For paintball purposes we can strike rifleman, because there are no rifles in paintball.

“who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises”

This sounds feasible. The definition of a sniper that Spec Ops puts forth is one of an “ambush player” that fires from concealment, using camouflage. The problem with the Spec Ops definition of a sniper is that it perfectly describes the definition of a sharpshooter in a military sense.

Therefore the definition of a sharpshooter or Designated Marksman fits a lot better in paintball doesn’t it?

A sharpshooter takes shots from concealment, shoots at targets as the opportunity arises, and uses a marker that has the same range as everyone else’s. He works with a squad with tactically sound techniques, and is employed in a nature in which he can function both as a full armed and operational squad member and a Designated Marksman. This is not a Sniper. This is a sharpshooter. As stated before simple ballistics prevent one from being a sniper in paintball.

A sharpshooter or DM moves with the squad, engaging targets like a normal member of the squad until his precision shooting skills are called upon. A DM would have intimate knowledge of his marker (a good marker for this type of thing would be a high end electro, {because higher end guns are inherently more accurate than a lower end gun} and a good barrel kit, not a Flatline of Apex system as these are known for not being accurate at range), and range limitations, at which point he would be able take precision shots on his target at a longer range than most players would be able to accurately shoot. While he is doing the rest of the team would be laying down suppressing fire as to not allow the DM to be effectively engaged.

The fact of the matter is if you think you are a sniper in paintball, you are wrong. The skillset of a sharpshooter or DM, fits paintball a lot closer that the skillset of a sniper. It is also a hell of a lot more effective than taking pot shots at people while camping behind a bush at 200ft and hoping you hit something.

 But for those of you who insist that you are still snipers, look at an analogy: You work for a living. Your job is to go to people’s houses and businesses, to pick up their trash and take it to the dump. You drive a Garbage Truck. What would you be called, a Garbage Man, or a Professional Truck Driver?

You would be called a Garbage Man, would you not? As much as you would prefer to be called a Professional Truck Driver, everyone would call you a Garbage Man because it fits what you are doing better than the title Professional Truck Driver does.

The skillset of Sharpshooter, or a Designated Marksman is 100% more feasible in paintball than sniping is. Stop fooling yourself.

References:

SNIPER- Adrian Gilbert

One Shot-One Kill- Charles W. Sasser and Craig Roberts

Marine Sniper- Charles Henderson

Authors Note: In my haste of writing this, I may have gotten some minor facts mixed up, or in the wrong place. Please contact me with the correct info if you have something to add, or a correction.

sinisterNorth wrote: ^pwnage

Damn Straight.

Jalane, the one who started this thread, and he still hsant got his answer

You poeple have just been complaining about the term "Sniper"

Now i have played paintball for 5 years now and i have heard all kinds of arguements about the word sniper.  When you use the word sniper in a conversasion about paintball it is used for convieance.  Do you really want to try and come up with some other word to explain the seaky guy in the ghillie suit with the low profile hopper that crwals more than he walks on the field, didnt think so.  So i think this thread is now done argueing about the word sniper.

Now as for the sniper x-7 i tihnk you should use about an 18 inch carbon fibre barrel, callapsable stock, short mag, bipod for stability, and a good quality red dot for a better idea of where your shot is going to go.

Your welcome jalane for finally answering your question

Okay,...

sniper = trained personel / x7= paintball marker... cannot turn inanimate metal into people.

sniper = name for paintball marker made by WGP / x7 = paintball amrker made by tippmann... cannot completely change the design and manufacturer of a paintball marker.

end result = fail.

Now how do you make your marker into something people would say "hey I am a sniper" about... since you can't increase a marker's range without losing accuracy... and are pretty useless given the close range of paintball play and innaccuracy of the equipment...

spend lots of money on useless cosmetic upgrades like a scope and bipod that cost an arm and a leg, but only have the function of increasing the weight and size of your marker.

Commander_Cool wrote: Okay,... sniper = trained personel / x7= paintball marker... cannot turn inanimate metal into people. sniper = name for paintball marker made by WGP / x7 = paintball amrker made by tippmann... cannot completely change the design and manufacturer of a paintball marker. end result = fail. Now how do you make your marker into something people would say "hey I am a sniper" about... since you can't increase a marker's range without losing accuracy... and are pretty useless given the close range of paintball play and innaccuracy of the equipment... spend lots of money on useless cosmetic upgrades like a scope and bipod that cost an arm and a leg, but only have the function of increasing the weight and size of your marker.

Read my last comment about what the term sniper means in paintball

We are talking about making the gun more stealthty and accurate for someone that wants to take one and get one kill

The upgrades i listed make the gun more quiet, more accurate, and sure some of it is cosmetics but thats what scenario paintball is all about, if your going to argue say something that is not a repeat of everyone else

Sinister_TES wrote: Jalane, the one who started this thread, and he still hsant got his answer He wants to do something that is physically impossible to do in paintball. Therefore we could not answer his question. You poeple have just been complaining about the term "Sniper" Now i have played paintball for 5 years now and i have heard all kinds of arguements about the word sniper.  When you use the word sniper in a conversasion about paintball it is used for convieance.  Do you really want to try and come up with some other word to explain the seaky guy in the ghillie suit with the low profile hopper that crwals more than he walks on the field, didnt think so.  So i think this thread is now done argueing about the word sniper. I can think of several words to discribe this type of play. Camper. Noob. Coward. Take your pick... Since when do you have any say in what we do and do not argue about on this forum? The last time I check you have one post that makes what you have to say pretty much irrelevent. Now as for the sniper x-7 i tihnk you should use about an 18 inch carbon fibre barrel, callapsable stock, short mag, bipod for stability, and a good quality red dot for a better idea of where your shot is going to go. Translation: "I really don't know what I am tlaking about so I will run my mouth about random stuff." Your welcome jalane for finally answering your question

Troll

Wouldn't the most stealthy and accurate gun be a minimum-motion electro, like a Matrix?

Doesn't really matter how long your barrel is - a Tippmann is going to be loud, and generally not as accurate as the better electros.

So if that is the goal, I suggest spending the money on a used DM4 instead of upgrades.

But, as I stated above, it all depends on what the OP is trying to achieve.  If he can detail his goals, we can help.

<nope>

how long have you guys played

what equipment do u have

and snake6

And as for comparing a camper to the term sniper, a good sniper moves more then any other palyer, not only does he take concealed shots he collects intel and completes goals stealthaly ina a scenario game,

i know jalane personally and he plays scenario, we are not tlaking aobut your just average woodsball 20 minute games we are talking about impressing ppl with how your gun looks and how you paly

8 years

2005 Naughty Dawg Freestyle

14" Dye UL Barrel
CP HPR
H1 Bolt
Vapor Works Vapor Mod
Snatch grip
Hybrid grips (naked lady)
Predator board
CCM no-rise feedneck

2005 Generation II Freestyle

14" UL Barrel
CP HPR
NOX board
Hybrid grips (East Coast Killers)
Drop forward (aftermarket.. idk manufacturer)

2002 Angel LCD

Titanium 2 piece barrel
Drop Forward
Intellifeed system (not installed)

SP-8

Adustable Stock
Remote line

Tippmann 98

14" UL Barrel

Halo B w/ V35 board

12v Revolution

VForce Profiler

Flurry Vest

2 - 4+1 harnesses

2 - 72/3000 tanks

50/3000 tank

... thats for starters

As for what you told him to buy,... was useless cosmetic garbage that did nothing to improve the functioning of his marker... it just made him a bigger target and wasted his money.

If you are going to post here, I encourage you to tone down your language.

Thank you.

ok sorry about swearing i was just really mad at sometihng else and i was brining my frustration to this arguement

And i thank you Rambino for actually contributing to the main reason of this thread and not argueing like i am

And for everyone that is fighting over what a asniper is please go to this site Specialopspaintball.com/positions and look at the sniper position, this is what me and my freind are talking about, this is applying to scenario games, were looks count for soemthing, and weight doesnt matter, its all about haing fun, but you guys turned this whole thread intoa  abattle instead of just not talking or actually putting in some good advice

Ceesman762 wrote: Welcome to the forum! Does it make you wonder if anyone put any energy into convincing manufacturers to stop advertising sniper barrels for markers?

thanks

and i always thoguht it was just a clevr anem that suckered noobs into buying it

Mack wrote: Sinister_TES wrote: And for everyone that is fighting over what a asniper is please go to this site Specialopspaintball.com/positions and look at the sniper position, this is what me and my freind are talking about, this is applying to scenario games, were looks count for soemthing, and weight doesnt matter, its all about haing fun, but you guys turned this whole thread intoa  abattle instead of just not talking or actually putting in some good advice Ummm . . . that's called marketing.  It's just like the add for a paintball pistol that says using it will be like "being in a John Woo film."  It's not real.

but there not really selling anytihng, there just explaining the position of a scenario "sniper" and olong the lines of what equipment he might use, there not saying go buya a longbow and a ghillie suit, there just saying those are some possible pieces of equipment that could be used

Sinister_TES wrote: And for everyone that is fighting over what a asniper is please go to this site Specialopspaintball.com/positions and look at the sniper position, this is what me and my freind are talking about, this is applying to scenario games, were looks count for soemthing, and weight doesnt matter, its all about haing fun, but you guys turned this whole thread intoa  abattle instead of just not talking or actually putting in some good advice

Sinister_TES wrote: <nope> how long have you guys played what equipment do u have and snake6 And as for comparing a camper to the term sniper, a good sniper moves more then any other palyer, not only does he take concealed shots he collects intel and completes goals stealthaly ina a scenario game, i know jalane personally and he plays scenario, we are not tlaking aobut your just average woodsball 20 minute games we are talking about impressing ppl with how your gun looks and how you paly

• Dye Ultralite
• 68/4500 Centerflag tank
• ReloaderB

• J&J Ceramic
• 45rd hopper
• stockclass feed tube
• 12g quick changer and 9oz

• 8" Lapco Bigshot
• Super R/T
• QEV Mod
• Vortex
• Ricochet Hopper

• Plamers Quicker RAM
• TechT 3 way mod
• J&J Ceramic
• Derilin Rear bolt
• Revvy

• 14" J&J Ceramic Barrel
• 12" Lapco Bigshot
• SS Screw Set
• Palmers Direct Stabilizer w/ Bob Long 1200PSI guage
• Dead on Paintball Pro style Drop w/ on/off
• Empire Reloader II
• Lapco Rear cocking Knob
• Firstout RVA
• Maddmann Spring Kit
• Shenko Carbine Saftey/Stop
• CenterFlag 68/45 Tank
• Redz Bottle Cover
• APP Hopper Cover
• APP Bottle Cover
• MilSim Tac Light mount
• Mini Mag light

Custom Mods:

• Polished Internals
• Custom Powertube (made the 4 little holes into one big one)
• R/T (courtesy of firstout)
• Lowered operating Pressure to 400PSI
• Matte Black Anodizing(courtesy of firstout)
• Modded Valve (for LP)

For the record I told him to upgrade the barrel in the beginning of this stupid argument sinister.  And also an 18" barrel is unnecessary.  It is long, bulky, and will slow the shot down.  the max I ever recommend is a 16" but really a 14 would work just fine.  A red dot can help too just as sinister mentioned but make sure you dial it in properly. 

As for the ghillie suit alot of people try to invest in I have seen people bonus ball the living daylights out of somone in a ghillie just because so many bounce.  A nice set of camos would be perfect.  If you really want to be sneaky though alot of people here are right, the A5 is loud... period.  I just bought a tactical cocker that is very quiet and is not expensive or difficult to maintain.  A new barrel and a bolt and I am set.  That is the gun I like to use for being more sneaky.   So then lets get off of the sniper subject and help this kid out instead of arguing the same argument that is in 40000000000000000000000000 other posts.

i didnt understand the arguement i specifically said that i wanted to end it and start talking about the original subject but then you guys just jumped on my back

i didnt mean to start  a war i just gave my 2 cents, like u said, dont u think that this forum should be about giving advice and not argueing about what positions are real and what arnt, different ppl believe different things

so if we can all just get along it would be great

and i apologize for anger i may have caused

Well Snake, it could be wore, you could have "swab jockey" or "squid" underneath it.  Now that would be a sick joke.

Jalane, don't be sorry.  you had no idea. take it as a learning experience.  You are not the first and certainly won't be the last. Look up those field manuals and practice what is in them.  But most of all, Go Have Fun!

lol im trying to but it not comming up, give me a few more minutes