Idea fror the split shell markers
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Topic: Idea fror the split shell markers
Posted By: Pepper
Subject: Idea fror the split shell markers
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 6:12pm
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I have an idea for split shell series markers that will cut cost of production, that's all I'm going to say in this setting.
Ive tried emailing and calling and all's I get is the hold button and no responses to my e-mails. I'm redrawing the idea in Auto Desk Inventor. I would like to be able to talk to someone who can hear the idea and if they like it they can pass it on up the chain. As far as my info goes I don't have a Power Point presentation or a working model- the drawing will say it all. PM with contact information pepper ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 6:50pm
| So uh...care to share this plan, I don't think anyone is going to steal it. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 6:53pm
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Good Day, I would be very interested in your idea if it indeed proves marketable. Please post a general description of the idea here, and if we are interested I will email you asking for more info. Thank You, Ron Henderson Tippmann Research and Development ------------- 
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Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 8:16pm
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Hello Ron
The idea is a tool-less dis-assembly of the 98 series receiver halves. I'm posting fast- I have my hands full with my children tonight. I can respond tomorrow while at work. Thank you Pep ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 10:08pm
Pep: We have been working on this idea for a while now but have been unable to perfect it. Care to elaborate on the idea? Specifically, how is is performed and how it may cut the cost of production. Carl Tippmann Research and Development |
Pepper wrote:Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 10:36pm
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Pepper, I believe there are several companies out there that make tool less disassembly for the 98 in the form of thumb screws. We kicked this idea around for a bit, but decided that it was better to leave that sort of thing to the third party developers, as the 98 was already in production by the time this was thought of. Retooling the production lines on the existing lines is just not smart or feasible. This idea was implemented however on the A-5 and X7 series markers in the form of push-pin breakdown. Thank You, Ron -------------
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Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 10:49pm
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Your right about the 3rd party thing
You could also be right about re-tooling – that would take some people looking at it to see if the trade off would justify the return. That would be its biggest hurdle. But the $$ saved would be sizable over time and units sold. My idea isnt the mother of all ideas but I think its good. When I look at the schematics of the A5 I see hex screws, receiver bolts and hex nuts. The A5 has a tooless tear down for the consumer. I haven’t counted the bolts and nuts in the X7 yet but it’s the same story My idea is tooless, that’s %100 from the time the two halves of the receiver hit the assembly line to little Billy putting in a new o ring on his after market bolt that he took out of his older 98. ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 10:57pm
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The gains aren't honestly worth the cost. We are moving away from the 98 series with our new U.S. Army Paintball campaign. The Alpha Black is a 98 variant, but on a different assembly line. There are actually talks of discontinuing the 98c all together as the design is over 10 years old. I am sure the custom pro line will continue for a little while at least though.
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Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 11:33pm
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I understand
My idea would only apply to a marker that has a split shell receiver. The cost saved would be the cost of every screw x every unit sold that year, including the maintenance of machines/man power used to apply the screws. The Alpha is already set in stone the new release set to be announced tomorrow is set in stone. You would need someone with the correct numbers to put a calculator to it.. and at the same time you still may not go with it. ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 31 January 2008 at 10:19am
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Selling points would be %100 tooless disasebly, making it even easyer for the "new to the sport player" to service his/her marker.
I did find a real world aplication after I thought mine up. ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 9:14am
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Hmm the no respnose tells me that yall have made up your minds on the idea without even seeing it.
Thankyou for your time. pep ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 11:04am
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98c is a dead production. Improving on it would not get it off the shells any faster, especially if its sub $100 price (when buying used) isn't getting them sold as much as the $200 A-5s. Best bet is to just recreate it as a whole, buttom-up and release it as a new line, which is what I understand this new Alpha Black line to be. Basically, your ideas aren't bad, they just aren't needed. ------------- 
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Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 11:31am
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My Idea applies to split receiver markers, not just the 98.
The X7, Alpha, Platinum, Triumph and the Pro are all split receivers. I'm not saying I have an idea for the infamous "Paintball shotgun" I have an idea that could cut the cost of production and be %98 tool free (I found two mech screws needed to hold the valve system in place) So far Tippmann has shot my idea down with even seeing it. I need to re-label the title of my first post- pep ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 12:07pm
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Its not that we shot your idea down without even seeing it, we have been extremely busy here with the launch of the Platinum series and other projects that we are currently working on. Believe me, we have considered the idea as late as when the Platinum line. However the fact is that the lines are already tooled (the Platinum line uses alot of the same tools as the 98 lines), and it would actually cost more to implement the idea (retooling the entire line, contracting manufactuers to make the screws, etc) than it would to leave that type of thing to a thrid party. That extra cost would get transferred to the consumer, and would raise the marker cost at least $50 a unit to the retailers. In turn this would cause the retailers to increase markup, so you would have close to a $250 marker by the time it hits the stores. This is simply unacceptable. At Tippmann we cater to the entry level player, and $250 per marker will not get your normal entry level player interested when there are better markers out there for that type of price. If you want tooless entry third party is the way to go, as this it not needed for your basic entry level player. I suggest you look at the Platinum line, as it doesn't have tooless entry, but it is close enough that you can break down the marker pretty fast. Sorry but basic cost benfit analisys dictates that it is not smart to implement your idea. Thank You, Ron -------------
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Posted By: Pepper
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 12:41pm
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Retooling existing marker assembly lines would be a bad idea. Why not think about the future
You still have not seen the idea, you don't understand how it works and your thinking about now and not the future. One thing that i have found in my own life is ideas feed other ideas. My good or bad idea might fuel a better idea for the future. My idea caters to the entry level player, and is better than the 3rd party options. I also don't see it applied to all the Tippman production lines because it would not fit the design lines of all markers. I don't understand how you can say no to something you haven't seen or no to something that could be implemented in the future. How do any ideas that are different ever make it within Tippmann? ------------- Some want to run fast, I have chosen to run far. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 5:52pm
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There is a possibility that future marker designs will include quick strip pins like the A-5 and X-7 have. However we are not in the early development stage of any markers currently. Everything we have is either in the prototype phase or manufacturing phase. You have already told me the idea, and tooless entry has already been successfully done in the A-5 and X-7 series markers. Right now I do not understand the need to rethink the whole quick disassembly process. Why fix something that isn't broke? I would be happy to look at the specifics of your idea if you would post them here along with a proof of concept. To my understanding so far, it is nothing earthshaking that will have significant advantages over our push pin system. If the idea is well thought out, and has good cost benefit I would be happy to pass it up. But from what you have said thus far, as far as I can tell it is nothing ground breaking. -------------
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 01 February 2008 at 8:10pm
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Do not Impersinate employers of Tippmann Sports. Tippmann sports engineers do not check these boards. But some of their Marketing and other staff does. If you sent an email and have not been replied to within a reasonable time. Then is more than likely that your idea request was turned down. ------------- 
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