I just read the 3 pages of people ranting over the pros and cons of these suits. needless to say i am not here to argue, or stand by sources of ignition while wearing said suit, but i am simply here to say mine works, and was pretty cheap/easy to make.i just used a camo poncho, mine was issued, but they sell this crap at army surplus stores. lots of strips of camo materail, between 12"-24" depending where they would be placed. more strips of brown material, and green material. i used different types of material, and i ripped them up, to give more dimension, then simply cutting lots of straight lines. this suit took me about 3 hours sowing the strips on. i would like to add some netting material, the kind used to camo objects from arial photography.

i have used the suit about 3 times with a lot of luck. i carry it onto the field in a bag, no sense wearing it on. then when i am far enough to not be seen i will slip it on. usually i will do this around a pretty dense area, and then i just move very slowly and wait.

i know markers effective range is not great, and even my flatline doesn't make me a sniper, but for someone who plays woods ball only, and lacks patience, this really makes me change up my game.

just my 2 cents.

This thread is gonna get bad.

How is this an idea?

the ghillie suit encourages my patience. that was the point. i am usually all run and gun, but i don't last long. fogging? i used a $5 insert in my googles to aleviate that issue. the suit makes me slow down, and pick my shots. and who said anything about crawling? you can move in the suit, you can kneel in it, i basically move very similiarly in the suit as i do without it, but i just make all of my moves deliberate. and generally i only wear the suit the first game, and maybe only half of it. once i am seen then the suit is worthless. but i can easily take it off. then the next game i can set the suit up in plan site and watch the other team shoot at it. kinda like the un-official 6th man. obviosuly you guys hate these suits, and have invisioned some sniper wanna be, thats NOT at all what i am trying to portray, but think what you want, thats fine. i just thought about making this, i did it on the cheap, and i have found it to be a lot of fun. 

here are some pics, now you must take into consideration 2 things, 1) i have a crappy digital camera. 2) the suit is sitting on my vacuum. pics don't do this justice, i need some pics of me wearing it.

with that being said, here are my pics. they look really red, but the red is actually a dark brown. i used a camo poncho, "s" brown undershirts, and my basic training towels. ---> all issued, all free! the towels when torn up have a nice mossy look. i also used one of my wife's old skirts for the dark brown. it was really lite, and had about 3 yards of material. (she's not fat, it's was one of those trendy phesant skirts). and i used dental floss to secure it all. it is way stronger then thread.

this all fits into a motorcycle helmet bag, and weighs about 6 lbs. in the pics you can see the bag resting on top of the vacuum, supporting the mask. (it's black)

as for the sniper comments, IMO snipers are different from infantry due to there range. markers have no range. kneeling DOES NOT negate the suit. just like camo does not make you invisible, it simply breaks up your form. same here, so knelling, moving slow, etc... it all works. and if your goggles fog up that bad, maybe you should do some cardio ?!?  i am not trying to flame, just pointing out some things.

It is good you mentioned that the red was actually dark brown because when I first looked at the pictures I thought to my self "why does he have bright red all over it".

here's a better set of pics, for those of you too cool to read my previous disclaimer. if the suit looks like it has been thrown on the ground next to my weed infested flower bed, and hanging on a crappy tree on the backside of my property, thats because it is. i am not going to argue it's effectivness, because that would be pointless. ideally i would have a pic of me in the woods with it, but i don't have a shot of that. you would not see any piece of clothing advertised in this way, because it looks ridiculous, and is hard to imagine someone wearing it. but these are the best pics i could do. bottom line, cheap, easy, fun. hate all you want, but it gives my friends and I a little different angle on the same game.

I think it looks pretty good.  I think the white should be lessened a fair amount with some different shades of brown and definately more deeper greens.  If you go to a local craft store they should have spray paint that will work on fabrics.  I suggest you get some of these in various shades of green, brown and maybe some black or tan depending on what your environment is like.  Lightly spray around the suit to break up colours as well as darken it slightly to get rid of that white.

And props to you for playing how you want to play and playing how you like to play.  Well done mate. 

carl_the_sniper wrote: What the hell is that in your sig?

+1

Looks like a retarded camel frog...

Anyway...what colour is that then? It looks much lighter than anything.  Regardless if it is white or not, it's too drastic of a highlight in the suit and should be toned down. 

Mack wrote: Mack wrote: What vacuum? I don't see a vacuum in those pictures. carguy wrote: the suit/mask are sitting on the vacuum. it's only about 4' tall. i am 6'7", so thats why it looks like a pile. the fact that i am too tall causes me to get creative with concealment. Someone needs to turn on their humor detector. (Ghillie suit over the vacuum . . . vacuum can't be seen . . . (sigh) . . . never mind.)

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as far as my sig, you need to brush up on your 80's movies. (hint: he is friends with Atrayu) as for the critique on the suit, Mack you deffinitly put an intelligent line of reason out there. and most of the things you have addressed i have thought of, and wish to make changes to in the future. as for using it/it's usefulness, it works, if i am hit, i call hit, it's purpose is not for cheating, just somthing fun. and as for pump guns, i did that allready, if everyone has them, great! but then friends started getting semi auto's, and the arms race began! so maybe one of these days i will post a pic of the woods on here, and lie and say that i am in there  just to tell you how great this suit works. but until then, just know that it is a work in progress, i will take the constructive pointers and work on it.

thanks.

never ending story! bingo! as far as the critique, i appreciate it, and speaking as an Ohio Air National Guardsman who has been to Turkey (worked out , watched dvd's) England (same thing, got to hold a gun!) Guam (caught a big fish!) and Texas too many times i have no idea about real combat, or combat attire. i turn wrenchs on aircraft.

i have seen some elaborate ghillies, and i don't want to drop the cash/time. lets just say that paintball is as close to real combat as i ever want to get. i seriously am greatful to anyone who has served the real deal. with all of that being said if my life were on the line, i might try harder with this. for me to simply tool around in the woods with my friends, this works. it has given me the element of surprise  multiple times. not like someone will walk within 5' of me and not know, but simply they are looking around they get within about 20' and i am able to shoot them. thats all i am looking for.

sadly no, i was in Incerlic, near medina. whats the compound?

Rambino wrote: It makes me feel very old that people did not recognize that sig pic...

Heh I recognized and I'm only 15.

chaibill wrote: so ghillies make you more visible is that what some are saying?[

Only the poorly made ones.

But if you crouch and stay still won't you blend in enough to let your opponents give up there position and get close enough to you to shoot them.

You can do that with any kind of camoflage, not just ghille suits.  The best pattern I've had luck with is the U.S. Marine Digi-camo.  I'll take that over looking like a walking brushpile anyday. 

The Guy wrote: I don't like the Digi camo for the swampy woods. They're good for grasslands and flatland.

U.S. Marine Digi-Camo is perfect for the woods.  I can't think of a worse pattern for grass or flatlands.  To give you a better idea of where I play primarily here is a couple of pictures.

First pic of my buddy's son.  Second pic shows the lower part of the property.  If you go further to the left, you get into the swampy ares.

The Guy wrote: We can see you.

No you can't.  I'm the one taking the pictures. 

WOW, i havn't checked up on this in a while, glad to see the controversy is still alive. A coupe people have hit on the main point of the suit. in dense woods, with players who observe the silent kill rule, these can work great. generally i walk onto the feild with it in a small bag. ONLY when i am out of site do i put it on, and then i use if for the first game. i used it recently and got two guys out right away. they didn't even know where it came from until i waved to them. after that game i took it off, becuase they were all spooked over it, and where now trying to find it. so i just set it up over some brush, and waited until they open up on it. then i shot them.

i have done this exact scenario about 3 times now, and it's worked well. maybe this sounds crappy to you pros, but it has been great fun for me.

TL;DR

Is it true that snipers in the military actually make their ghillie suits at the place they are at? Say they are going to a grassy field. They quickly make a very effective suit out of the grass. Basically all natural.

wow, what a fire storm. the way i see it sniper=range. real guns, you have a HUGE variety of range, ammo, scopes etc.

we are all playing make believe with little balls of paint, using some air, therefore no one player is at much of an advantage when range is the deciding factor. i have the deffinition of sniper listed below. paintball players can at best meet about 1/2 of that, (on a good day).

A sniper is an infantry combatant or serviceman (e.g. police officer) who specializes in shooting from a concealed position over longer ranges than regular infantry, often with a specially designed or adapted sniper rifle. A sniper requires skill in marksmanship, camouflage, and field craft. Military snipers are also adept at carrying out methods of infiltration, reconnaissance, and observation techniques.

I started all this with a post about a ghilli suit. my goal, was to be less seen, and have a new way to play. for all you Jr. Tom Beringers who wish to be real snipers, keep dreaming.

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SPEAD GUN YOUR FACE!!

notom66866 wrote: Did you know that Mr. Rogers was a sniper in Vietnam.

Not.

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp - http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp  

notom66866 wrote: Are you sure? I read somewhere that he was a sniper in Vietnam. Maybe it was Korea.

Fred Rogers went directly to college after high school.  He got a job right out of college.  There are no gaps in his education or employment that would account for military service. 

notom66866 wrote: MY bad about Mr. Rogers. I did read it somewhere though. O well thanks for the re-education.

Don't worry about it.  You can always dig around and find out how Captain Kangaroo and Lee Marvin served together in the Marine Corps and helped take Iwo Jima. 

notom66866 wrote: Did Mr. Green Jeans help?

Nah, he just fathered Frank Zappa.