more idiocy out of kalifornia
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Topic: more idiocy out of kalifornia
Posted By: WGP guy2
Subject: more idiocy out of kalifornia
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:25pm
Bunch of flaming idiots... |
Berkeley to Marine Corps: You're Not Welcome Replies:
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:29pm
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California*
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:32pm
No... WGP spelled it right. |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:34pm
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:34pm
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COMIFORNIA* ------------- 
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:35pm
| i think its rude. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:38pm
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At first I wondered who was hosting such a terribly written news story, then I saw the Fox News tag. I am keeping this article as an example when people claim that the media has an OMG LIBRUL BIAS. Thanks Fox, for your war on legitimate journalism. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 7:40pm
I think it is dumb, but hey, it is a democratic republic in action. Can't complain about that. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:09pm
| to be fair berkley has been a problem for service members since about the Vietnam war...some days the shift of california falling into the ocean isn't going fast enough for me |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:16pm
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:17pm
Yeah get those damn hippies in the water already. -------------
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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:31pm
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Wow. Idiocy that tops that of the liberals who took JROTC out of a bunch of public high schools. I hope they realize the majority of the country thinks they suck at life now. Hopefully they loose their Federal monies. ------------- 
Benny go home! |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:36pm
| Who cares?... |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:37pm
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No words can describe the idiocy thats located in good ol' California... ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:42pm
Why is it that you are so upset by this? -------------
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:46pm
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:01pm
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Ew, Fox.
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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:13pm
Because it is disgusting and full of liberal hype propaganda. I did the JROTC program for 4 years and it was one of the best things I ever did. -------------
Benny go home! |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:16pm
I am referring to why you are so upset about the topic at hand. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:20pm
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Let's see how much they like it when the next national disaster strikes them when we refuse to send in the National Guard.
"Hey, we need help" "Sorry, we're the military and you don't want the military in your city... good luck with that" ------------- 
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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:21pm
About members of the town trying to throw recruiters out of the area? That's even worse. Besides showing no respect for the military it is really quite disturbing that people would have the audacity to tell the military it cannot run an office in the town. Do hey think our military is pointless? Idiocy tends to tick me off.  -------------
Benny go home! |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:37pm
So the City Council cannot decide which offices are allowed in its town? Would you have the same fevered reaction if they had voted to ban Planned Parenthood offices? -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:51pm
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You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
As long as they are receiving funding from the US Gov't, they have no say in military matters of their city. Military use is up to the governor and the president, not someone elected to a city council. -------------
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:52pm
Would you have the same reaction to the government banning the selling of ugly puppies as if they were to take away the first amendment? Its all about what hits home the most. He has a high respect for the military from taking part in junior military porgrams, I can see why he reacted to the article in such a manner. ------------- 
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Posted By: fractus.scud
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:54pm
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Whatever man. I don't know why you are picking on me, because everyone here seems to think it is stupid. When groups like "pink ladies" who preach making love and not war (maybe Osama will enjoy their love) start telling people who risk their lives for the country that they are not welcome, I find it pretty sad. I have many friends in the military who I respect very much, and people like those in the article remind me of people who spit on soldiers when returning from Vietnam. Who do they throw out of town next? -------------
Benny go home! |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 9:55pm
Is it not discrimination in either case? What negative impact does a USMC Recruiting Station have on the community? It went unnoticed for almost a year. Is it attracting degenerates? Do day laborers loiter outside? Does the office emit toxic fumes? Do the Marines working there litter the streets and spit on sidewalks? Do drunks exit the office late at night and wake up the neighbors? Whether a Recruiting Office, Planned Parenthood Office, Ron Paul Campaign Office or Britney Spears Fan Club Office... why would it be right for the City Council to bar any of these entities from establishing an office? I could see if such an establishment were a blight on the neighborhood... or promoted illegal activity... but such is not the case. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 10:03pm
They're baby killers, duh. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 10:27pm
It's easy. You lead them even less. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 11:01pm
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 12:01am
Aint war hell?!!! -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 5:41am
| i still think its rude. a little disrespectful, but its a free country and they can do what they wont. if they want to be naive little children then let them. and next time the cry for help, help them without complaining. eventually they'll realize they are wrong. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 6:50am
If they want to pass a city resolution saying the Marines are unwelcome intruders... fine. If they want to seek ways to oust the Marine recruiting office... fine. It's the WAY they are doing it that bothers me most. The city walks hand-in-hand with a protest group, offers a protest group parking spots in front of the office, gives the protest group noise permits to disrupt not only the Marines, but all the other businesses within that strip mall. And encourages this protest group to do whatever they can to basically shut down operations at the site. Using the Planned Parenthood model that MBD brought up for comparison... how much of a poopstorm would it be if a city gave a radical Pro-Life group parking spots in front of a PP office, gave them noise permits and encouraged them to disrupt and harass employees and clientele to the point that such an office was shut down? Do PP offices get protested? Of course they do. I drive past one every weekend with people outside with pickets... but they don't use megaphones, chain themselves to the doors, or even chant... nor do they go within 30ft of the building. And most importantly... they don't do so with full support and encouragement of the City. (sidenote) And for Pete's sake... can't they figure out a new war cry? "Bring Down the Bush Regime" ??? So if Hillary or Obama wins, and the Marines are still there... what will they have left to shout? For such a peace-loving city... there are still folks interested in joining the service, despite what the City Council wishes... or the Recruiting Station wouldn't be in operation in the first place. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:30am
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Again, the city council has absolutely NO right in any part of military matters.
It's the governor (National Guard) and the president that do. If they don't want a recruiting station there, tough nuggets. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 10:37am
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If it's a free scociety and anyone cand do what they want, can the military not have a recruitment station there?
Seriously, Kalifornia should either slide into the sea, or seperate from the union. One of the two. KBK |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 10:39am
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The amount of luls in this thread is overwhelming.
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Posted By: thebuickguy
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 11:05am
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What gives them the right to bar a federal agency from that town oh yeah thats right nothing. Dang Hippies.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 1:34pm
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I'm with Shorty on this one all the way. Obviously nobody has the right to tell the city council that they can or cannot do something, but they are making themselves out in the worst possible way. The idea of a City Council is like any other form of Public Government; run yourself as impartially as you can when it comes to protest affiliation. I get that California is largely seen as a bunch of hippies per se, but it is also the same state where we train thousands upon thousands of Marines each year. Perhaps it's time for Bakersfield to concider passing a motion to build a wall around the area, as they just opened up a large can of worms that I don't think they are ready to handle. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 2:02pm
I'm assuming it probably has to do with the fact that this group is telling the Marines (who happen to be there to protect us BTW) they can't recruit people out of the Berkeley area... So the Marines can fight to defend these people, but if they want to put a building there that would even allow citizens to go sign up, they can't do it? Bull. They are our national military, and they have every right and reason to be there. If the Pinko's don't like it, they can shove it. It's not like the recruiting stations are knocking people out and brainwashing them to join... They're just there to answer questions, and take enlistees. And I thought I was a damn Hippy. ------------- 
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 3:08pm
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Ugh, I wish California would hurry up and just drift off into the ocean...
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 3:17pm
Actually, they can. It's un-Constitutional I'm surprised no one thought of the Solomon Amendment yet. It gives Congress the right to deny funding to any college that doesn't allow the military to send recruiters. When the colleges filed suit, it made all the way up to the Supreme Court, and guess what? 8-0 found in favor of the amendment. Now, while this does only effect colleges, here's a nice lil tidbit from John Roberts: Congress can even directly enforce schools to allow recruiting through the "raise and support armies" clause in the Constitution. Thereby, anything Berkley does to get rid of the Marines can be deemed un-Constitutional because it's Congress' right/duty to have recruiting go on. So in light of all this, I say have Berkley kick them out. After the Marines are out, the gov't should file suit, and Marines will be allowed back. If Berkley still says no, they will be held in contempt of the court, and yay prison time for idiots! -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 3:29pm
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Just wondering, is there anyone who wasen't able to predict MBD's reaction to this thread?
And personally, I think this is really disrespectful. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 3:53pm
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I can predict how this one will end(or at least I can dream about how I want it to end). 1. Code Pink bombs/sets fire to/whatever to the recruiting station. 2. The Gov't deems them a terrorist orginzation. 3. The 1st MARDIV invades brekleley and rounds up the idiots. 4. ??? 5. Profit. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 3:58pm
| So, I wonder how many of you think it is not okay for the Berkeley city council to tell the Marine recruiters that they are not welcome and uninvited guests in their city, but encourage the same behavior towards sex offenders that have fulfilled their sentences? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:00pm
Because those are related so much... |
Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:13pm
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I just got back from a brief stay in Berkeley, really awesome place. LOL hippies LOL.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:17pm
I'll give you an A for effort on your understanding of the law but a F for the fact that you only have half of it down. Yes, this applies to UCBerkley, but not the city of Berkley. We're talking about the city here Linus, not the school IN the city. **Edit: Also, they aren't kickin out recruitment, they are kicking out the office from the city. They said that if any recruiters so chose to hang around, they are doing so as uninvited. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:18pm
Because in both scenarios, the city council is telling other people that they are not welcome and uninvited guests based on their previous actions (whatever those action were are irrelevent). Not the most difficult concept to grasp. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:18pm
Judicial punishment has shown very little to no success in rehabilitating sex offenders. Their rate of reoffense is very high, likely due to the defective psychology that leads to their behaviour in the first place. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:23pm
| Regardless of whether or not the punishment fixed the offender in preventing them from committing another crime, once the prisoner is released, in the eyes of the criminal justice system the criminal has completed their punishment for the committed crime. If the offender wants to commit another crime so be it, but the punishment for the original crime has been completed and in the eyes of the justice system, justice was served. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 4:40pm
I don't know if that's the same, for one reason. The way people feel about something =/= law. Sure, I don't WANT a sex offender living next to me, but he can if he wants. I see your point, but don't see how it is in any way actually relevant to the discussion we're having. The STATE doesn't have the right to tell the federal government not to recruit there, what makes a city think they do? Like it or not, Kalifornia is still held under Constitutional law. -------------
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 5:11pm
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Why would the marines even want a recruiting office in Berkley. Doesn't seem like they would get many people to enlist.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 5:15pm
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No, they wouldn't. It would probably be closed down under normal circumstances, but now it will remain open just to make a point. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 5:19pm
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UC Berkeley has ROTC and NROTC. Clearly somebody there wants to shoot somebody. It is just a tad of a generalization to say that nobody in SF/SJ wants to join. And, of course, folks there are pretty darn smart, which makes them high-value recruits for the armed forces. Seems like a pretty valuable recruiting post to me. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 6:35pm
 I know, it's a stretch calling Code Pink "hired goons"... but you get my drift.
As for Sexual Offenders who have finished their sentences... unfortunately for them, enough other Sexual Offenders have committed repeat crimes and continue to be a danger to society as to ruin their chances for re-integration into that same society. Do the crime, do the time... and as far as I'm concerned... that time doesn't end when you get out of prison. If it were up to me, they'd be swimming with the fishes. If they are so upset over their lack of privacy and continued "harassment" now... maybe they should've thought about that before grabbing on some six year old. That said... still not sure how I should think that a Recruiting Station should compare to Sexual Offenders, aside from being "unwelcome"... I don't really see any similarities. "Previous Actions"? Berkeley vs USMC is a difference of ideology. USMC has a history of fighting wars, but no threat of violence to the city. City vs SO goes beyond ideology to actual concerns for public safety and well-being. While perhaps it may not be right of me to think one is more viable than the other... the actual concern for safety, rather than just pushing politics/ideals, has me think one is "OK" while the other is "Horse Hockey". |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:25pm
You obviously mis-read what I wrote. I said that the Solomon Amendment existed so that schools couldn't restrict recruiting, yes. But I also said "While this only applies to colleges", so Congress can use the "raise and support armies" clause in the Constitution to force Berkley to allow it, as stated by Chief Justice Robers himself.. If Berkley doesn't allow it, their acts would be deemed un-Constitutional and they would get in trouble. -------------
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:28pm
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Army is overrated, I have my fists.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:40pm
But with the logic that you are using to relate this to the topic at hand, do you think that it should be illegal not to hire someone for a job based on their previous convictions? Murder, rape, stealing from their workplace or whatever... as long as they have finished their time, than it should not matter for employment? |
Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:45pm
I couldn't see myself finishing school at Berkley, and then joining the Marines/Army afterwards (no offense Marines, Soldiers). Brains join the Air Force and Navy. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:48pm
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Impulse, that's a pretty ignorant statement.
Found someplace on Militar.com that Marines actually surpass the DOD's education requirements by far, while the other branches do only a little bit. Plus, officers in ANY branch need a college degree, and there are officers in the Marines as well. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 10:00pm
Where are you getting that from? Last I knew, the recidivism rate for sex offenders was lower than criminals as a whole. I think it was something like 5% of sex offenders were arrested for a repeated a sex-related crime compared to nearly two-thirds of criminals that were arrested after being released from jail, and sex-offenders had a 40% chance of being arrested for ANY offense, as opposed to 70% for non sex offenders. I can't find the article on the census bureau's website, though, so I don't know exactly, but I'm pretty sure that's close to the numbers. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 5:19am
i hope thats sarcasm. people dont join the military to shoot someone. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 8:04am
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 9:42am
I'm talking about people in tech schools mostly. You can't deny that the USAF and NAVY has more technology than Marines or Army. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 12:20pm
Sure, those elected officials have the right to tell the Marines that they are not invited guest in there city for to recruiting purposes. The first amendment protects that right. I pondered what people thought about protesting the marines recruiting office/sex offenders because many people are upset/think it is rude that the Berkeley Council members is voicing their opinion and allowing others to voice their opinions about how they feel with the Marine recruiting offices being in their city. I would speculate that those same people would not think it was upsetting or rude if the same city officials voiced their opinions/let others voice their opinions about a released sex offender living in their town. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 12:56pm
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 12:59pm
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 5:50pm
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a majority of those who join dont join to shoot people. thats plain ignorant to believe so.
read the book On Killing. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 11:40pm
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I will agree with Hades that they are allowed to voice that opinions. However, that protection is offered to individuals, not cities. For example, it is not within the city's right to force the Marines to leave. They have the right to tell them they want them to, but to actually tell them they are required to leave would violate the Constitution because the Marines have a Constitutional right to be there recruiting.
The whole endorsement of Code Pink is an entirely different issue, and I don't see how the city council can get away with openly encouraging them. Aside from all legal issues the council's decision was, to put it mildly, in poor taste. The people who defend your rights and freedom are not welcome in your town? Are you kidding? Ungrateful bastards. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:20am
My point stated major crimes. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:22am
It's more about whether the guy has actually turned his life around or not. I'm pretty sure that's what Hades is talking about. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:38am
Of course it is but how can an employer be sure? |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:53am
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stop turning this in to a criminal offender matter. This is about marines being kicked out of an entire city for what seems to be no good reason besides the fact that the city council doesn't want them, which concists of 8 or 9 members. I find it hard to see that as the voice of a community. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:56am
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 10:04am
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Update http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=7832341 - LOL,owned. TL;DR: Several U.S. senators introduce bill to rescind $2mil in federal funding from 2008 omnibus spending bill that would have gone to Berkeley; give to U.S.M.C. instead. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:03pm
10 kinds of awesome. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:38pm
How is an employer sure that someone without a conviction will not commit serious crime in the future? In life there is no perfect answer for anything and no guarantee about anything. I think Bunkers  finally see my point that the city council is just voicing their opinion and not forcing the Marine recruiters out of their city just as many of you are voicing your opinions about the actions of said city council.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:44pm
Trade a city that doesn't want you there for 2mil of their money? Why can't I find a deal like that? |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:46pm
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I just think they had no right to give Code Pink front-row parking and tell them to go harass the Marines.
And even if it is legal for them to do what they did, I really hope the bill Brihard posted passes. "If the U.S. Marines are not good enough for Berkeley, neither are taxpayer dollars Congress would have sent there this year. " FTW. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 12:58pm
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 07 February 2008 at 1:06pm
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Maybe they will funnel that money directly into my bank account? -------------
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