Hillary Logic- a mass e-mailing
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Topic: Hillary Logic- a mass e-mailing
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: Hillary Logic- a mass e-mailing
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:16pm
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In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for
the Packers this coming season. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with the other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move. Does this sound idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claim as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State. When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated, "So has the pastry chef." I got this mass e-mailing from the Obama caucus people this morning, since the Democrat caucus in Nebraska is tomorrow. I am politically active here in Nebraska and in ComPol in college. Attack politics, probably not an official stance, odds are a peon fwd'g, ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:20pm
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Old argument, but I got a laugh out of the "pastry chef" comment. To be fair to Hillary (who I can't stand) it should be pointed out that nobody in the primaries has experience as president. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:23pm
| I live in New York. She has done little for us as a senator. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:29pm
| Not to not to mention, Bill was certainly not much of a president. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:29pm
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Kind of a flawed argument, but whatev. I'm not going to defend Hillary other than saying that's a bit of an unfair analogy to make.
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:30pm
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I <3 self-servingly extreme analogies. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:31pm
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Oh and, FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:32pm
I live there too, so I am qualified to fix your post. |
Ceesman762 wrote:Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:33pm
How has she proven herself as an effective leader otherwise in something that can be applied to being a president? |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:39pm
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:40pm
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So yeah, how does her being a Senator for 7 years play into your analogy? Wouldn't that mean in this story that Farve's wife would play corner back, or tight end? ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:41pm
As a United States Senator? -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:43pm
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My mom is in the Grey Haired, FDR era,dyed in the wool Democrat Party apparatus in NY, (Oneonta, Delaware County) and the thought there is Hillary "abanodoned" her people in New York, and lied when she stated she would not run for president when she was campaigning across the state for her Senate seat. She has not filled one campaign promise to those outside of the NYC, Albany, Buffalo areas (her govt dependant population base). And we argue constantly on politics, both myself and my younger brother are career military types and Republican in leanings. And she does nothing for and actually agrees with our anti-Clinton debates.
As for her Senate expierience, third base coach in the world of politics, the Manager tells her what to do and how to think. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:44pm
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Oh, and as a Packer-fan living in Packer-land, I can also point out that the Favre hypothetical actually isn't as ludicrous as it is meant to be. Brett Favre is near upon a god here, and Deanna isn't far behind. If she wanted to take some snaps, there are a lot of people that would support that. And then we would go beat the crap out of any defensive end that dared to touch her. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:45pm
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Thought you would appreciate this Susan.......... -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:47pm
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1) Political skills != football skills 2)
3) She has Bill's guidance, whose help would contribute much more toward prosperous decisions than the other candidates' experiences would. 4) If experience matters to you that much, where was your support for Richardson when he was running? He was the most accomplished and experienced candidate in this race. He actually keeps a high approval rating in his state. There's a chance he'd be running as VP alongside whoever gets the democratic vote. The Hillary/Bill and Richardson ticket would have more experience on it than any other in history. Of course... them's libruhls. They's suppurtin' **edited**s ayund grabbin' ahr guhns. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:47pm
Would you say the same about McCain? -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:49pm
Meh |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:54pm
Ah ha... AH HA... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! He was mediocre at the best of times. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:57pm
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Yep...same same McCain, but he does have some serious "Leadership" expieriences, as well as a more defined set of ethics. The Hanoi Hilton expierience in leadership/ethics probably trumps co-president leadership. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:57pm
Compared to Dubya and his Pop? I'm just saying that his experience is more than any of the other candidates, and will know better how to handle the situations thrown at Hillary than any of the candidates would alone. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:58pm
Still not supporting Hillary though. |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 5:59pm
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Partner in a law firm? Member of numerous corporate boards, including Wal-Mart? Plus a life-time of leadership and education - President of Young Republicans in college. President of the SGA in college. PolySci major, attended the President Machine law school (where she is regarded by many as one of the finest students ever to attend). As first lady, both in Little Rock and Washington, got involved in the real work rather than bake cookies. Clearly simply being first lady does not qualify you to be President. But it is a grave insult to imply that this is her only qualification. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:02pm
Actually true, and on that point I was wrong. I still feel that she has qualities that would prevent he from being an effective president. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:04pm
I never liked George Bush. Even before it was "cool to hate George W" I didn't like him. Funny how I was ten and I had more personal opinions on politics then many older people do now. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:05pm
/fixed QFT -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:07pm
Wow please tell me that you are joking. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:09pm
I am. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:09pm
Fixed also (in before southern defense comments by people who took that too seriously) |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:35pm
| I believe that Clinton, Obama, and McCain are all equally qualified to mess this country up. We are going to be in for a loooong 4 years, no matter who wins. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:41pm
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I love how into this the Canadian gets.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 6:45pm
Agreed. This election has been and will continue to be a joke and it is not likely that an effective leader will come out of it.
It affects us a lot also. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 7:24pm
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The Main thing that I have against Hillary is that she's a Clinton.
Having served under that goon and the Suicidal ROE's that he had us employ while doing Peace Keeping in the Balkans between 3 ethnic groups hell bent into killing each other really left a biter taste in my mouth. He the Clintons really wanted to avoid another Mogadishu they should had given us reasonable ROE's. Wont even go into how we could had taken action after the Kenya Embassy Bombings. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 8:28pm
Agreed. That is why I won't vote for her. ------------- 
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 08 February 2008 at 8:53pm
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pfft... partner at a law firm.. that doesn't mean squat...  |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 12:31pm
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I don't quite get the people who are saying this is going to be a terrible election. It can't be as bad as the last one.
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Posted By: Connmann
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 1:17pm
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Am I the only person that has noticed that in order to be a president of the US you just need to be underqualified and dumb but have lots of money and celeb endorsements and a PR person that slings as much dirt as they can at the other candidate and say that you're all for antiterrorism plans (not many other ways to explain how GW has been in for 2)? Where in Canada all you need is a plan that keeps Quebecers happy and screws all of western Canada (AKA the cool side), some business experience, a funny accent, and a evil plan to siphon off billions to random companies in Mexico to make yourself rich like - Jean Cretchein (being ugly helps too not sure why though). I'd vote Obama over a Clinton any day of the week (coming from a Canadian Saskatchewanian in the middle of a cold nowhere)   ------------- table of what really makes your marker work *Gnomes= autocockers *Fairies= Angels *Pixies= Timmys *leprachauns= tippys *goblins= spyders *elves= mags *lawyers= smartparts Ya I'm that smart |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 2:38pm
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As opposed to the last 8 years? I'm pretty sure they weren't filled with puppy dogs and happiness. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 3:05pm
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Wish many of you were around in 1979 for that campaign, talk about a wasted presidency, double digit inflation,double digit interest rates, economy in ruins, hostages held for 444 days,the military in the worst shape in decades,middle east hated us, he created radical Iran, yep a slow talking, peanut farmer from Georgia. These past 8 years have been a cakewalk.
The next 4 to 8, depends on a serious dose of comman sense and a long term plan, not instant fix knee jerk get me elected,election promises from both sides. My vote is another against vote rather than a for vote, ABC. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 4:24pm
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If you're going to claim that Carter created Iran, you're going to have to admit that Reagan/Bush created Osama. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 5:13pm
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Actually thru his personal writings Osama gives Isreal and the Soviets credit for his beliefs. He has a real problem with the House of Saud more than the US. He just focused his total anti-western feelings during and used the US aid to further that goal during his 80's Mujahadin era.
Osama would have been just as bad an anti-western believer if Mondale,Dukakis,Gore,Kerry won, he is a equal opertunity/opertunist terrorist. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 10:20pm
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I figured I'd get that response from you. Wait wait...who single handedly brought down the wall? *Opportunity. For future reference. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 10:51pm
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I r only a high scrool garduate and my spelin isn't good.
I have read most of Osama's writtings as well as The Management of Savagery, the thoughts of Osama and the followers are quite clear, even if no Iraq/Afgan Invasion thier war would of continued, here. BTW Reagan did not do it single handedly, actually started to be chipped away at by Kennedy, Reagan just drove the final hammer and opened the wall. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 10:54pm
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And another point, Obama 68% (<32% Clinton) wins Nebraska delegates, some comman sense from Nebraska Democrats....Thank God -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:01pm
In all fairness, he drives trucks. :dodgy: ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:10pm
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I love everytime you bring up, "fight the war there before we fight it here." Like the war there is actually keeping a few guys from coming over and blowing something up. The idea itself is ridiculous. It may be common sense that Obama won the states today. I haven't really come out endorsing anyone yet. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:33pm
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Heh..comman...
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:36pm
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We thought that same thought on Sep 10, and yes it is preventing an over here approach,it is called logistics and also there is a premis in Sun Tzu, engage the enemy at a time and PLACE of your chosing. Centuries old way of war and it actually works, proven. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:43pm
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If I learned one thing from Munich, it's that kill the bad guy and there are 100 even meaner bad guys to take his place.
Exactly how are we stopping future terrorism? If anything, the US has created more terrorists, and substantially lessened it's world standing with the iraq war. **Not to be confused with my position on the iraq war which, I actually support. Just a point that must be considered. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:46pm
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Other than the Iraq war part, I do agree with you. Simply fighting in Iraq has not stopped the random and self-improvising cells from attacking. I wonder if Spain believes the fighting in Iraq has stopped terrorism abroad? It's not logistics, this isn't conventional warfare, so Sun Tzu has little premise. We could be attacked at any moment regardless of our involvement over there. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:46pm
The problem I have with that thinking is that if Hillary is elected, I would hope that people actually elected her to be president; not to be Bill's little puppet in the oval office.
I have to disagree. I think Obama has potential. Edited Note for Dune and OS: Regarding the following:
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:51pm
| I hope a democrat gets elected president this year. You guys seem to have so much fun pissing and moaning about the current administration and its evil sins, I can't wait to have a shot at it. |
Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:55pm
I'm confused. You think this administration isn't evil? ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 February 2008 at 11:55pm
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For someone in the educational field, I'm surpised not to hear you at least complaining about NCLB. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:07am
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:09am
I complain about that on a daily basis. All I'm saying, is that some of you not only criticize the administration, which is your god-given right, but you take a great delight in doing it. I just don't like missing out on fun is all. And since I'm not in the "OMG GW is EVIL" camp, my only chance will come if enough imbeciles elect someone like Clinton to the oval office. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:11am
| In 2000 I was all for seeing what would happen. Now I love to exercise my right. How are the people complaining about Bush any different from those already saying Clinton wouldn't be a good President, before given a chance? Placing everyone that complains about the administration into the same boat hardly seems fair. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:12am
Ok Point one, Did you just based a opinion on Terrorism on a Hollywood Movie? Point Two, No Spain tucked and ran. Proving that if you want Spain to do anything all you have to do is Bomb Real Madrid. Dune I have the outmost respect for you but that's even ridiculous that's like saying that if Convinience Stores would just pay out the criminals they wouldnt get robbed and it's their fault they are getting robbed. In that view you basically blame the victims of extorsion for the crime. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:12am
Right. I believe evil is strapping explosives to handicapped persons and detonating them remotely. I believe evil is the idea that those that don't think the same way you do should be killed. I believe evil is subverting kids into believing that their deaths in the name of religion is a good idea. etc. George Bush, while he's made some glaring mistakes, is not evil. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:16am
I never once said that we should "give in." Do not add more words to what I actually wrote. I have never been against attacking the problem. However, when we attack something other than the problem, I hardly see how that literally keeps them from coming here. Just because we are fighting some terrorists there does not mean all of them are just staying there, as if they are a an entire army that mobilizes together. It doesn't work that way for them, and to believe that fighting some of them in some distant country is keeping them from attacking us is a severe underestimation of their power. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:16am
OMG BUSH IS TEH DEVILZ !!!! I would like to be able to pick on the liberals but it's not worth having them office just for that. -------------
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:17am
OS every other month or so makes a Post about either being back in College. In some debating team driving the liberals crazy. Or the ones when he's like Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School. 
Next week he plays up the Blue Collar Poor me uneducated elderly highschool educated white hard working american that get's picked on by college liberals. It's really hard to tell wich OS your replying to. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:18am
NY gave her the chance to be one of its senators, right after she promised she wouldn't run for president. Old habits die hard. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:24am
Give in was what Spain did after the Terrorist struck at home. Wich was the pourpase of that attack and why all those people died. So was it worth for Spain, id say no they wasted the lives of many Spaniards in war and at home because they lacked the internal fortitude to continue doing what's right. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:27am
I correct him, but not in an attempt to make him feel as if he is stupid. I do so out of habit and because it doesn't hurt to learn. Part of me does agree with your comment on Spain; however, my initial reasoning behind it was to show that terrorists do act separately from those fighting in Iraq. Not necessarily as to why they attacked Spain. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:33am
QFT A lot of people on both sides of this debate need to realize that the existence of evil is not determined merely by the fact that they disagree with something. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 12:35am
Is it evil? Evil is definately not the word i'd use to describe it at all.
Oh my god, I agree with everything you said there exactly! I hate the whole "it's cool to hate GW". I despise how it has caused so many people (not to mention idiot songwriters) to critisize a topic that they know so little about. I've never liked GW but It started long before the iraq war. Funny how I was ten and I had more personal opinions on politics then many older people do now.
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Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 9:49am
Okay I agree with you. I don't think anyone would argue that attaching suicide bombs to handicapped persons isn't evil. But on your second point, isn't that exactly what we're doing? We're in a country trying to force democracy and American ideals, all while 100,000 Iraqi civilians are killed (according to the UN) and over 600,000 being reported by JHU. Not to mention 4000 US soldiers dead. Iraqis "strongly opposed to presence of coalition troops - 82% Iraqis who believe Coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security - less than 1% Iraqis who feel less ecure because of the occupation - 67% confidence in. We believe in democracy? Yeah, the majority of them want us out, the majority of us want out, and we're still in. All this while the government is taking BILLIONS of dollars from us taxpayers, while all we get at home is looming threat of a recession, absolute destruction of civil liberties, and trillions of dollars in debt which we as the younger generation will be forced to take care of. There are obviously different levels of evil, but anyone who tries to undermine my freedom will be considered by me as evil. Maybe not as evil as someone who tries to kill me, but hey, why must we deal in absolutes? Edit: And to give GWB some credit, I don't think he's smart enough to be that evil. He's getting pulled around by his advisers and special interests, which doesn't excuse it, but when I look at our mumbling stumbling president I can't help but feel pity. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 10:13am
I believe setting up a country for fascism is evil. I believe picking up suspect people and torturing them is evil. I believe denying the method is torture while we used to shun others for the same act is evil. I believe attempts to set up the world to fulfill end-times prophecy is evil. I believe that putting out hundreds of lies to justify a war in which many innocent people is evil. I believe that standing aside while thousands of citizens of other nations are dying as a result of this war while calling yourself a champion of democracy, security, and freedom is evil. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 10:55am
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War is by definition evil, but history has shown that one must be able to show his evil as the lessor of the evils presented in that war. In Nazi Germany the soldiers and populace thought the war was a great crusade, justified and they fought thier war. Ask any German soldat on his role in the war, and why he fought.
We forced Pearl Harbor upon ourselves with the blockade/embargo of oil and metals to Japan, that in itself was an act of war. What did FDR know in Nov 1941? What lies were told? Why did we go to war with Germany, they had not attacked us, why did we invade and bomb France, they were an allied to us? How do we balance the evils presented today, what are the realilistic options? Head in the sand diplomacy worked from 1781-1945, today the oceans no longer protect us from Euro/Asian/Other aggression. We put a (D) on Somalia and the Balkans, and it was a needed war/action. We took the (D) from Vietnam a Kennedy/Johnson needed war, throw a lie to get it going (Tonkin Gulf) and now mysteriously many put a (R) on the war and many blame Nixon for the war. Many refuse to understand the politics of war, and conflict. Neither Hillary or Obama will pull troops out as promised in the timeline they promise. Tee military/political instability that will result will make the conflict today look like a pre-game. Many in America and even here want to see a Euro styled Socialist Republic America, but refuse to understand why these modeled Euro Socialist Republics are failing with the change in world politics and economy. Yes we are evil, and if we go more social dependant in our society and economy we will become even more evil, ask any survivor of the USSR and Eastern Europe. BTW: I am back to 100% disabled, not working, going to college under VA Voc-ReHab, due to a serious medical condition. Spelling has allways been a challenge for me, add the medications and a small laptop keyboard, even my school papers need a serious re-edit after a few hours or a day. This forum is a hobby, and I hope not a graded exercise. My Comparative Politics prof loves my counter views in class, a refreshing change from the bobble head response she finds as the norm. On my "Bucket List" (great movie,if you can relate to the subject) is to get a degree, whether I use it or not means little in the greater scheme of things. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 11:14am
As OS stated, War is hell. If you fight fire with paper, it gets burnt. The main, glaring difference between the "Evil U.S." and the Evil of the extremists, is that we don't wander out to other nations and bomb the piss out of them for their religious POV. "Japan isn't a christian society, and they're pretty successful, they must be evil, lets kill them" isn't a common rallying cry around here. Again, this is an odd example thats way out in left field, but keep in mind, that civilians were dying over there long before we wandered out to see what was up. I still maintain that you spend some time talking to the soldiers who have spent time out there. Some will have a hard time finding any good from it, but the majority of them will tell stories of women and children who are grateful for the work thats been done out there, mainly erasing a regime thats been responsible for the deaths of countless innocents. If you want to say that responsibility for loss of life is evil, and therefore, by definition this administration is exactly that, I submit to you that its nothing compared to the regime that's been responsible for the murder and torture of its own people. Such short term memory this country has. I'm probably parroting OS here, but look at WWII. Nazi Germany- I don't need to go into their crimes, but we started nighttime bombing of cities, killing thousands. Imperial Japan- two atomic bombs dropped on cities, killing thousands. Yet the effects of these 'evils' are irrefutable. Why then, is it so difficult to believe that what is happening now COULD have the same outcome? People are going to die during a war. Its rule #1. Do we like it? No. We hate every minute that its happening. We mourn the deaths of our soldiers. However, the people we're fighting, celebrate the deaths of their fighting men, and seek to emulate them in any way they can, and if that means taking innocents, or American troops, or you with them, they're cool with that. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 1:47pm
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Ah, so now you're telling me that G.W. is personally responsible for this whole mess? The entire war was created and spun out of thin air just for George's own delight?
Unfortuanately that is how the media portrays it and now how the schools teach it. -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 9:25pm
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Reb is just on a rampage of rational thought in this thread. T&O may explode from rationality overdose. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 9:55pm
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I love the way people act like this is the ONLY administration ever to torture or use questionable ethics to obtain information. Grow up people, we've been doing it since the beginning. Is it right? Probably not, but that's how the world turns. You do what you have to do, sometimes, as nature teaches us, it's survival of the fittest. You can go home a sew dolls while the enemy manufactures bombs, watch Mister Rogers while they steal your intelligence, and then act like because you do right others won't do evil-while your country is overrun. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 10 February 2008 at 10:33pm
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 12:47pm
| Hillary is the Junoir Senator to New York State, Correct? |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 1:02pm
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I would rather have Britney Spears be President than Hillary Clinton. I think its time We have an African American President. Though I am not sure that Obama is quite the man for the job. America needs to get over its racist ways. ------------- 
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Posted By: obnoxious
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 9:40pm
Not selecting a black president makes Americans racist? How about we treat candidates as individuals, not by classes. If there comes a black candidate who supports my political views, I will throw my full weight behind him. I don't see how NOT selecting Obama, or future black candidates for that matter, in any way indicates racism. It's never "the time" for any man to get a job based on his skin color, especially at the presidency of this country. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 9:47pm
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What was the reasoning and means the the first "Catholic" President (JFK) was elected, are there comparisons to the means and methods of the Obama campaign? When do we get the first Jewish President, or even Morman President. We can not throw the racist card after the treatment by the Democrats and America on Romney, and give Obama a pass based on race. Prejudice is an equal oppertunity emotion. -------------
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 9:52pm
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Awesome new title, OS.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 11:19pm
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Too bad I am not in control of that, our overseers (mods)think they are actually funny.
I will vote republican not for but against the Democrat policy and personnel. Supreme Court judge appointments over "instant"? and possibly irresponsible social change. Mickey Mouse or Bozo the Clown would be a better choice than either of the Democrat front runners. -------------
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 11:52pm
Maybe I missed it, but, care to explain why? ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:06am
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Because neither Mickey or Bozo ever made claims and promises that they had no intention or even ability to fill to thier audience. Both again had a proven record of expierience in their desired job, where Hillary and Obama have less than stellar Leadership expieience (the pastry chef also had 8 years in the White House, is he "qualified" to be president.)
Obama will get eaten alive in the Shark Pool of DC politics, and Hillary has too much baggage to bring back into DC politics. McCain is no prize, but Hanoi Hilton expierience in Leadership and Ethics, trumps being co-president with some dubious issues hanging over you still. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:15am
Was the pastry chef a Senator? -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 7:37am
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Probably not, but I would guess he would be more likely to release his records of those 8 years to prove his qualifacations, more than a certian Senator. She is qualified based on unreleased and "protected" records, how do we know other than her recolections "I can not recall..." was her defense in another relevant issue to her actions while first lady. -------------
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