Russia is back at it again...
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Topic: Russia is back at it again...
Posted By: WGP guy2
Subject: Russia is back at it again...
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:49pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=513777&in_page_id=1811 - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnew s.html?in_article_id=513777&in_page_id=1811 |
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Posted By: Barrakuda
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:53pm
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Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:54pm
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Great.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:57pm
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Just in case anyone wants to argue the source. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/11/russian.bomber/index.html - http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/11/russian.bomber/index.html I'd really like to see how the US and Japan respond to this, along with the UN. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 12:57pm
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Lets nuke them first.
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:02pm
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In Soviet Russia new Cold War starts you!
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:04pm
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Meh, Russia is in shambles, they don't have the money or resources anymore to fight a respectable war. ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:07pm
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Of course not. On a completely unrelated note, what's our missile defense system like? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:07pm
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I think benjichang just came
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:08pm
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Within 500 years there will be no humans left.
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:08pm
Apparently not good. I know someone who deals with the missile defense system, and apparently we're not as protected as we would like to think. It's gotten a bit better since the whole NK incident though. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:11pm
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... I'm moving to Australia. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:11pm
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From what we've learned, our "missile defense system" is only based in places like the capital, and our airforce. The threat of second strike capabilities is about our best "defense." |
Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:12pm
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I, as you guys can tell am not smart when it comes to threads like this so I tend to stay out. I have a question so excuse me if this sounds dumb. On a scale from 1-10 how bad is this situation?
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:12pm
12, make a bomb shelter NOW -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:13pm
I would say 3-4. Like I said Russia cannot fight a respectable war anymore. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:14pm
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War with the Ruskies, not so bad. We're better trained, better funded and more stable, as it were. They might have the population advantage though. Nuclear war with the Ruskies, we're all effed. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:14pm
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Posted By: Tical2.0
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:14pm
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Cool, thanks for the answer. I was just curious.
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Posted By: xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:21pm
Did they ever? ------------- <Sig violation, Section 1> |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:26pm
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Hey choopie can I stay with you until WW3 is over?
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Posted By: Barrakuda
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:34pm
HAHAHAH, you guys crack me up. ------------- <>-< kuda. http://www.winterhatshoppe.com - www.WinterHatShoppe.com - Camo beanies, Digital Camo Beanies, Camo Jeep Caps, and much more! |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 1:42pm
Arent you the one who like loves russia and always likes the idea of cold war grunge -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 2:06pm
Does not approve:  ------------- 
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 2:11pm
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I really doubt there was much potential harm. This has been going on for decades, and isn't likely to stop soon. However, if one of the bears had open it's bomb bay doors, they would have gotten a slammer up their *rear end*. |
Posted By: thebuickguy
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 2:24pm
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hmmmm i wonder if the germans would like to head east again lol
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 3:00pm
Think 1. Or less. War would not be good for any country at our current state. The most any nation can do at this point is flex muscles and attempt to intimidate with propaganda and economics. Countries like Russia and China realize that there's just no way to win a modern war, until one of us becomes such an economic wasteland that a full scale retaliation is nearly impossible. Until then, expect to see news stories like this all the time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 4:51pm
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 4:57pm
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China/NK would start a war with us before Russia, unless there is some Commie takeover of Russia which I doubt would happen. ------------- 
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 6:16pm
HA HA HA HA ------------- 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 7:17pm
China doesn't want a war with us, and NK doesn't want a war at all. China wants to "reclaim" land they feel is theirs throughout south-east Asia(ie.; Thailand) and NK just wants to do what it takes for everyone to leave them alone. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 7:59pm
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China also wants Taiwan. They are greedy as hell.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 8:52pm
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china and russia, and iran, and north korea can all go to hell.
as for the russians buzzing our ships. who cares. international waters. its fully allowed. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 8:55pm
No it's not. We almost shot down an Airliner off the coast off Zaire because it got too close. Too bad that skipper didnt have the internal fortitude to shoot those commies down into the Sea. -------------
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Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:07pm
| I'm actually pretty surprised it was allowed that close without being blown to pieces. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:09pm
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Wait, when the bombers were 500 miles out, fighters were launched, but they didn't intercept until 50 miles out? What the hell?
And after what happened with Iran a month ago, we should adopt a zero tolerance policy; if you get within a certain distance of one of our battle groups, ESPECIALLY a carrier battle group, you will be taken out. I'd rather lose 7 idiots to their own fault then a possible 5,000 because we didn't take it seriously. If a plane was flying towards the White House and being un-cooperative, it'd be shot down in no time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:16pm
| yes but that plane is in US territory. reading what ive read today, i was getting the impression that the military cant do much about it because its not sovereign US territory. |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:30pm
| This is going to be awesome. I mean if I get a chance to use my garand I'm going to be so happy. |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 10:03pm
Surprised this hasn't been all over the news. ------------- 
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 10:35pm
Actually, it's been mentioned briefly all over the news. Key word: briefly. Why should it be a big story? TU-95 flies over carrier in International Waters. Whoopdie-Do. Sure, back in the day, we might not have ever let it get that close. But other than that, what's so newsworthy about it? Other than perhaps hyping it up so it has more of a "OMG WWIII!!?! OH NOEZ!" feel to it. Russian maritime patrol plane flies over Carrier. *Yawn* Our own P-3s fly over Russian ships all the time. Stop worrying about war, and go back to watching real "news"... like the latest update on Britney Spears, or the fact that Paris Hilton has a brother (who knew?). |
Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 10:54pm
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Wait, paris hilton has a brother ?
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 11:35pm
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Mission profile: Problem is the TU-95 Bear is a primary carrier of the Kh-31 Kryton Anti Radiation Missile. An anti-radiation missile designed to home in and destroy surface ship radars.
The flyover was an attack profile for the use of this missile. Soviet Naval Air is missioned to locate then blind hostile naval forces, then the submarine launched cruise missiles are free to engage the blinded targets. ------------- 
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 11:35pm
... ANZUS... |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 12:01am
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I could be wrong but I believe this happens on a regular basis up in the north.
If attacks from Russia were to come from anywhere, they would come from the north. But russia has a joke of an economy compared to what is required to wage war, and this is hardly an issue. I'm sure the carrier had a good handle over the situation and almost definately made the correct move not to shoot. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:30am
I would also not like to cause a major international incident due to an itchy trigger finger. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:52am
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Another Game of International "Chicken". Is it possible Russia wanted to create and incident, another "Cold War" styled push to the limit, then blame the imperialist military exercise. Bears over Alaska were a norm all through the "Cold War" period. The crew of the Bears and the interceptor pilots shared the latest playboy centerfold,etc the crews were only doing what the governemnts told them. In Fulda FRG during the 80's the Russians constantly built up forces, organized and drove towards the frontier in combat formations often, stopping just short of the 1k warning line. Not the first since 1945, will not be the last. -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:59am
While I am certainly no conspiracy theorist, and I am also not a master in foreign policy, I cannot help but think that what you say is a serious possibility, given the eerie throwback conduct of Putin recently. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 8:15am
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One of the needs of a Leader to reinstate a feeling of Nationalism is to find the central "enemy" of the state. The nationalism of Russia and the dreams again of becoming a world power as in the Soviet days is to again find the threat and comman enemy. I do believe that Putin never took America off his list from the KGB days, and is again condemning the Capitalist, Imperialistic Evil that is America. So a manufactured international incident would further his cause and damage America's place even more in the current world.
So ordering his Bears to go into a known tactical war posture, have them conduct themselves as thier war mission dictates, and then guaging the American Fleet Officers response was a serious international gamble. We took the pass on the roll, so be prepared for the escallation for the next "incident". It is the Russian way. The potential of a "malfunction" of a Soviet Naval Air missile during a drill now has raised to a higher potential. Do we take the hit, or retaliate in kind, one for one, a modern US Navy Warship and multiple casualities, vs a obsolete late 50's era TU-95 Bear and international condemnation. For the ship commander on site, damned if you do, damned if you do not. -------------
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 9:03am
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While I certainly don't like the fact that the escort did not disrupt the flight path so that it didn't fly Directly over the carrier... again... don't see the hub-bub.
Primary carrier for the KH-31? I wouldn't call it "primary"... KH-31 can be carried by just about ANY Russian strike aircraft. That's like saying the F-15 is the primary carrier for the Sidewinder... regardless to the fact that just about any other US fighter does the same. Could it have been a dry-run exercise? Sure. In reality would a Bear drop a KH-31 directly on the deck? No. 100+mi range. So does the Nimitz CO order a shoot down from 50mi out? Because it poses the SAME threat as a direct flyby? Do we shoot them down even though no visible weapons on wings and bay doors closed? Face it. Despite the uneasiness of "letting" a pair of Bears do a low-alt flyby while under direct escort... this entire incident was a shrug-off. I don't even have my zombie-stash on stand-by... yet it seems some are already looking out their window expecting a scene out of Red Dawn. I'm all for vigilance, and a cease of complacency... but not quite so panicked as to think every little thing is a prelude to war. And not so naive as to think that WE don't do the same thing on a REGULAR basis. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 9:49am
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Just going by the old Soviet doctrine. Bears are missioned to find and blind. May rephrase as the Bear as a platform for the KH-31, with primary mission to find and blind.
Having seen a "chicken" exercise in full blume in Fulda, with Soviet equipment in deployed combat posture advancing on the border, was an interesting few hours. I am not worried on the commanders, just the Mr Murphy aspect of these types of exercises. And I know our P-3's as well as RN Nimrods have a simular mission profile as well as anti-submarine. -------------
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 13 February 2008 at 3:40pm
Normal SOP for these situations is two aircraft per bogey. One trails behind while the other moves in for positive ident. In this scenario, the close in fighter would be on the side of the carrier, so the only way the bomber could overfly would be to hit the close in interceptor. The trailing aircraft, at least in the 'olden' days would illuminate the bomber, which was usually enough for them to leave. With AMRAAM though, illuminating the target is not necessary. I really don't know what went wrong here though. The Chinese tried to use this maneuver once when one of our aircraft moved to fly over their ship, buy screwed it up and hit our aircraft. |