NIU shooter is identified
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Topic: NIU shooter is identified
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Subject: NIU shooter is identified
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:15pm
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First thing I did was see if he had a Facebook. Sure enough:  I added him as a friend. I don't think he will respond. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:25pm
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What if he does? ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:27pm
Then I will be highly spooked. -------------
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Bunkered wrote:Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:34pm
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:36pm
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Duuude. Print screen his profile please.
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:39pm
| w/e |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:40pm
Thats it actually, not much to it. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:42pm
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I wonder who his one friend in orlando is.. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:45pm
I don't know her, I looked. Although I wonder if she knows she is friends with the guy... Also, is this a real profile, or is it made post-death by somebody else? -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:47pm
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Clearly made post death. Look at his religious views... ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:47pm
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I love that this is all a joke to some people. Obviously someone made up that profile, what kind of a pole smoker makes such light over something so serious. People friggen died and the kid doesn't deserve any more attention. We know that he followed every other chicken**** excuse for a life before him and blew his noodle off and that should be that. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:53pm
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Seriously shows the idiocy of society.
Last year if someone had of made fun of VT one day after, they would have been run off the forum. There was laike an 8 page thread within a day while now there is only a 1-2 page one. I suppose people don't find these things interesting anymore so nobody takes an interest. It's just sad. |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:56pm
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All I can say is that somethings got to change. People need to stop running away. I know that having a gun pointed at you isn't cool as a matter of fact it's so uncool that it would piss me off so much so I would throw my desk at them. And it's not about being a badass or having an E-pen it's about the fact that there are 20+ students and one lame ass shooter. It becomes a lot harder to shoot a target that's a. moving and b. a threat. If everyone launched everything they could possibly grab at the dumbass someone would be bound to knock his lights out. Especially a scrawny loser like him. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 5:59pm
Ok Steven Seagal. I think I'm going to point a gun at you with intent to kill and see if you lunge at me. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:02pm
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Look if you run the scenerio over in your head enough times it could be possible to actually do something. Every one of these situations starts and ends the same and not one time has someone made a stand. There is a higher ratio of students to jerk-off and to simply get up and run away does nothing to improve the situation. And if you're going to kill me you're going to kill me, it's as simple as that. Running away isn't going to get me any less killed than jumping up and doing something. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:06pm
I believe that i would be able to if I saw something that would give me an edge. |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:09pm
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Like a desk. I mean it man if everyone picked up their desk and chucked it he'd be buried in a pile of desks with a concussion. First off noone kicks down a door so the second you hear the door slam open you react. |
Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:10pm
I don't know about you, but when I go to class, I don't sit there every morning and think "OK, so if someone busts in today, this is what I do." -------------
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Posted By: Man Bites Dog
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:13pm
...Sigh... First of all, this was a lecture hall. They don't have desks. Second, how many people can throw a desk with enough force to cross a room? Third, it is really easy to say you would ninja-attack the person when you are not in the situation, without the human reaction to adrenaline. -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:19pm
Ummm, yeah it is? Running away from bullets=moving target(as you said) less likely to get hit. Running towards=moving closer and easier to hit. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:23pm
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In response to both of you if you run the scenerio in your head enough times you are more likely to have control. Use the adrenaline to your advantage and throw the desk, I know I can I've done it pissed off. And you two know nothing about me or my thought processes. Dying doesn't bother me you die you die that's the end of that. Yes I've faced death and I took it like I say I would. Lastly and then I'm done these people arn't expecting a challange and I'm sure they might freeze the hell up if someone did something. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:25pm
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How have you faced death Steven? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:25pm
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thinking of the fact it was in a lecture hall i had to do a report once on school shootings; there was this one high school some time back where one kid pulled the fire alarm and the accomplice shot people as they came out of the building. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:26pm
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I blame /b/
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Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:27pm
I think that was a middle school. Edit: Found the link, it was Jr. High. http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/24/school.shooting.folo/ - http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/24/school.shooting.folo/ ------------- 
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:28pm
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Avoided a head on collision. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:29pm
Wow, you're awesome. That's totally the same as looking down the barrel of a gun. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:31pm
| wow, actually it sort of is jackass. Death is death, adrenaline is adrenaline, hightened bp is hightend bp. When someone jumps in front of you and poses a threat you can curl up in a ball or deal with it, my attitude has always been deal with it. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:33pm
It's really not the same as all. I've avoided collisions and I am not here saying that it's the same as looking at a man with a gun going to shoot me. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:38pm
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Death is death man. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:38pm
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You are the biggest retard ever
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:40pm
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Really? You wouldn't saying that dying is dying? That either way to die is a scary thing? That to die by a shooter is no more scary than to die from a car crash? I'm the retard ok fine. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 6:44pm
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Yeah it is. Still driving a car and turning the wheel so you don't die is not the same as charging a man with a gun. If you want the equivalent, turning away from a crash is equivalent to running AWAY from the man with the gun. Well as equal as can be. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 7:01pm
| All I'm saying is what I would do in the situation that's all. If you want to see what I'm talking about read up on southnarc and ecqc. It is possible to tune out things like bp heartrate and adrenaline and decide what a plan of action is. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 7:24pm
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I won't argue with him...I just want it posted on YouTube when somebody puts a gun to his face and he pisses his pants. I've been around guns my whole life-my first reaction when I see someone with a gun that I don't trust is to find a way to get the hell out of there...that's any normal person's reaction. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 7:33pm
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LOL @ Pseudo-Rambo. I think school-shootings have turned more into a "I want to be a martyr" type thing for kids. Eh, martyr, not so much. Social outkast, definitly. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 7:39pm
I can tell you right now that regardless of how many times you come up with this scenario in your head in which you turn out the hero and can get with every sorority house on campus, you cannot predict anything. It doesn't matter that you have "faced death," most people have. I have been there a number of times yet each time is different and it is more likely your survival will kick in to run, not to single handedly save the campus. Take a minute to calm down and realize you'd be running and screaming like most people, it's nothing to be ashamed of. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 9:23pm
I do that at the beginning of each semester. For example, my plan that I have even debated with my teacher for if someone comes into my english class with a chainsaw: -Filing cabinet to door, plug in extension cord and hook to cabinet. Douse with water. When he tries to get in, he will hopefully be electricuted. -One person stands with noose on top of high filing cabinet near door. When the guy comes, the kid puts it around his neck and the rest of the people pull... -Break apart book shelf into small, long, sharp pieces. Stab him easily because they are longer than the chain saw. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 9:27pm
| Also, i've always wondered why these kids never really kill a lot of people. I know that sounds bad but... these things are generally planned but never end with many deaths. people come armed to the teeth but generally fail at doing the job. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 9:32pm
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Sadly Carl, I agree. They even fail at pulling off that simple plan. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 1:10am
I've looked down the barrel of two guns, and the thought was in my mind to take the guy down. Unfortunately, I was by myself and there's not a whole lot you can do when the guy already has the gun pointed at you. Really just not a fun situation to be in. Taking cover > running away. Seems like all these gunmen take their own lives before killing a whole lot of people. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 1:22am
Chainsaw? And wood? You would use wood against someone with a chainsaw? Or rope? ------------- 
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 1:26am
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lulz at the extension cord idea too... chances are, you'd fry youself if you tried to do anything like that, or it wouldn't work at all. I can just see carl going to school with rope, an extension cord, and like... a wire stripper or a pair of pliers in his backpack... his emergency kit! |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 1:51am
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It just seems like there must be some kind of new invention out that would help with this dilemma...
Oh yeah, it's called a gun... CCW on campus, FTW. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 5:19am
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That answer always makes me laugh. |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 8:46am
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Why would it make you laugh? |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:13am
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Because it's STUPID. Sounds like you want to turn the classroom into a battlefield and prepare for these hypothetical situations that will, with probability on your side, NOT happen to you. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 12:07pm
Because people that actually think it will solve problems are only looking at this from a black white issue. Your ideas on setting up scenarios and being able to save the day are just a tad childish. |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 1:22pm
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I'm not saying it's the be-all, end-all solution to school shootings, but I don't see how it could be detrimental to allow students (or at least professors) who already have their CCW to carry in class.
Better to have the proper tools in any situation. I'd rather not have to wait for the nearest LEO to get there 15 minutes after the shooting is stopped. I'd prefer the classroom to be a battlefield over a one-sided slaughter-house, wouldn't you? *Edit: Probability be damned. Being prepared isn't just for Boy Scouts. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 1:53pm
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Although in danger of turning this into another CCW thread: Putting guns into the hands of professors and students could turn it into a two-sided slaughter just as fast. Normal civilians take risks every day no matter where they go, adding more weapons to the situation does not make it any easier or safer. I would never want to respond to a situation like that, let alone adding in six more plain clothed individuals carrying weapons. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 3:09pm
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CCW isn't the answer, it won't magically stop school shootings until you go the route Israel has.
However CCW can solve the immediate problem of a gunman in the room executing people. The same as I've said in the other school/university/workplace shootings topics, I don't see how more weapons can make the immediate problem worse. The situation is as bad as it can be. Someone is killing innocent people and no one is doing anything to stop it. Statistically it isn't likely to happen to you, but then neither is a car crash, burgulary or fire, yet people wear saftey belts, have insurace and own fire exinguishers. Just because the chance is remote does it mean you shouldn't take precautions. The precautions you can take at the moment? You don't need to take any because it's against the law to carry guns on school grounds..... Something like school teachers with CCW's would just have to be coupled to a "shooting alarm". Activate it automatically at any sound over 120dBl or something, or have it pull activated like a fire alarm. On the alarm people lock down their clasrooms or lecture halls manually. They keep them closed until the cops arrive. there you go, the problem of 6 plain clothed people with guns is nullified. More people should have X-51's mindset. Running away and hiding isn't the way forward. People might die fighting back, yes, but people are dying anyway. While you might ridicule him for his thoughts, they are the key to action. While it isn't a guarentee you'll do anything when the SHTF, if you've thought about it and planned for it, your OODA loop won't be overloaded. But this 'wad should be consigned to the dung heap of human memory and forgotten as soon as possible. The less media coverage he gets, the better. Infact he should be burried in an unmarked grave. KBK |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 3:24pm
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The thought of some of my professors/peers wielding guns in class is unsettling at best.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 3:42pm
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THAT is a valid statement :)
KBK |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 4:14pm
I never said people shouldn't have X-51's mindset. Sure it would be better to take the SOB down. I was arguing the fact that he was like "If you run it in your head you can automatically just do it. Why does no one do this?" First off to that: Why would anyone think about what they would do in that situation at all other than during a discussion like this? Second: Just thinking about is going to do nothing. If your mind allows you to act in that manner when it happens than so be it. I am just saying people join the military KNOWING they may be shot at and still can't take it when it happens. You wouldn't know you're going to be shot at when you are in a school. I know what I am saying, but whatever. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 5:37pm
We actually have all those things in our class. That's why it works. |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 5:52pm
yeah... because you've tested it out... carl, if you're ever in the situation, you're either going to be crying in the corner with everyone else, or you're going to be the idiot who serves your life up on a silver platter. as for the CCW thing, there's things you have to take into consideration. If they allow CCWs on campus, how many people will have them? In the NIU situation, the guy came out in front of the class, and started shooting... with all of the people running around, the adrenaline, and where they're at in the room, what's the chance of someone being able to draw their weapon, and get off a clear, accurate shot w/o putting other people in danger. you would literally have to be sitting front row, and be ready and capable of pulling the gun and firing within seconds w/o hesitation, hoping none of the running, screaming kids run in front of you or push you in their attempts to get out because you know if he sees you fumbling, or not running, he's going to be pointing his weapons right at you. People try to argue that if students might have a ccw, it will prevent the shooter from even going to the school... yeah... because the guy didn't take his own life... he knew he was going to die... i don't think a threat to his life would be a big deterrent. I'm torn on the ccw on campus issue... I understand that people with them are responsible gun owners, who have the proper education and training on the subject, but it's not going to be effective in most situations that school shootings prevent themselves. i hate to contribute to an argument that i find incredibly stupid... but hey... i'll at least attempt to make people see what I consider the reality of the situation. as to the comment of the police being there in 15 minutes, i thought i heard reports of cops being on scene within 2 minutes. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 7:31pm
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I don't understand why people are insulting X-51 here, hes got the right idea in general. In a shooting situation where escape is not possible, attacking the shooter is the best option. School districts all across the country are starting to implement this policy. There was an article a few months ago about a school in Texas teaching students to rush an attacker and beat them with anything they have. There are accounts from VT where the shooter was calmly killing people one at a time as they crouched behind desks, reloading, then killing again. Had they jumped up and attacked him, I wouldn't go so far as to say fewer might have died, but they would have a much better chance then waiting around to die. As I understand it, most shooters expect people to flee or hide, they don't anticipate being attacked. Thats not to say they don't expect to die, they definetely do, but they don't generally expect the people they're shooting to turn around and attack them. This is just what I understand from Psychology class, I could be totally wrong. TL;DR - My non-professional opinion: Running > Fighting back > Hiding ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 7:40pm
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Allowing CCW in schools wouldn't be a deterrent, it would be the safety belt (as Kayback said). Unfortunately, people are idiots and to allow weapons on campus to under trained people will make shootings worse. There has to be a balance of numbers, as we can't have armed guards in every class, but for safety's sake it would be best to have one highly trained CCW in every room. Again, the allowance of one gun per classroom (don't ask me how they'd regulate it) brings up a few more problems: Who can bring a gun? What qualifies as highly trained? How many CCWs can we have? How can we tell who the "marshals" would be in an emergency? How can we prepare people in the class to handle a situation where there is a person shooting back? (increased confusion) etc. etc. The best solution I can think of would still make situations unpredictable. Many schools have gun clubs. 1) You would require CCWs to join that club and register with them to have permission to carry. 2) Everybody who carries will know everything about the other CCWs and their schedules and whatnot. 3) Every CCW has an immediate way to contact the other CCWs 4) CCWs train constantly. 5) They'd be required to have a plan in case a shooting happens (contact PD, identify shooter, defend buildings they are in, engage shooter only if in same building) This still brings up many problems and issues. The answer is one you'd have to base on your faith in mankind. Unless we can do realistic studies with unsuspecting people that think they're going to die, there is no way we can know exactly what will happen. We do know that people illegally carrying on campus have stopped shooters. We also know that Israeli schools have been safer because of the encouragement of teachers to have guns. However, it takes extremely responsible and calm people to protect a campus in this manner. I think it would be best kept illegal, but CCWs that do divert or stop shooters should be pardoned. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 8:28pm
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I would agree with all those that said that a normal person with a CCW in this type of situation would not be good at all. However someone with military or police training could very well turn around a situation like this. Fast and accurate fire is the solution until the colleges take the proper steps to secure the campus. If every student has to walk through a metal detector with armed guards to get in a building, that would be a much better solution than a bunch of CCW carrying idiots running around. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:06pm
Maybe in Soviet Russia or Third Reich Germany... Remember that whole "Land of the Free" thing? -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:17pm
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A college is a private institution. So therefore they can take any steps that are deemed necessary to stop stuff like this from happening. Public schools already are doing things like this. When I was in highschool, during the school day there was only one entrance open, the front door. All other hatches were secured and locked so no one could enter. In the mornings the DARE officers would randomly screen people coming off the buses and through the front entrance with hand held metal detectors, and would randomly search bags. Any person coming in during the day had to wear a visitor badge, was subject to random search and had to be escorted. Its not that big of a step to put metal detectors on the entrances. It is already done at airports, whats the difference between a school and an airport? -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:21pm
where'd you go to school? |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:22pm
Virginia. -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:24pm
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I was more talking about the armed guards than the metal detectors, and I just pictured a rifleman. I don't want some guy with an M16 patting me down every day on the way into school.
Even the police being at the doors at all times would be wierd, IMO. -------------
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:33pm
I got the metal image and loled. No, I was talking about normally armed cops, with like Glock 23's, a couple of guys with Glocks could most likely take down someone before they cause any collateral damage. However at my school the cops had an Armory with 870's and AR-15 carbines in the DARE office. Also there were like metal gates like you would have at a mall that could be lowered remotely from the DARE office, and from the front office that could isolate sections of the school by pressing a switch. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:36pm
schools in virginia have hatches?   |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:37pm
Every building has hatches. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:49pm
I take it you don't spend much time with military or police personell? Every person with a CCW that I know shoots better than about 90% of the cops I work with, and 100% of them shoot better than any rent a cop I've come across. This is the difference of someone doing something because they have a psassion for it, and someone doing it because it's part of their job. I'll admit most of the miitary I know aren't high speed low drag guys, and most of them are airforce anyway, but none of them come even close to how good I am with a pistol. Most can give me a run for my money with a longarm though. This is because the military don't really operate with sidearms, unless you talking about MP's or such. How many people will take advantage of CCW's? More than there are at the moment, that's for sure. There also won't be that many of them. People make CCW on campus sound like the showdown at the OK Corral where everyone has a gun and is blasting away indiscriminately. This idea has been proven wrong time and time again. Everywhere where they relax a firearm law people predict blood in the streets, and it simply never happens. Again people are asking why anyone should expect or prepare for something like this to happen to them, why not? What divine protection do you have that prevents random stuff like this happening to you? Preparing yourself mentally for it means you are more likely to react in a way that's helpful than not. Fight, flight or freeze. Those are the three options you have. There is nothing else that you will do. The chances of you fighting back if this does happen out of the blue, and you haven't given it any thought are so small it is almost negligible. This leaves flight or freeze. Inside a room with limited exits, flee isn't really going to get you to saftey. And neither if Freezing. Freezing isn't an option. It's what happens when you get suprised and your mental process is overloaded. Being prepared mentally gives you the advantage. Look at the OODA loop. This is basic decision making 101, but it's been proven time and time again that if you can break someone's loop, they get stuck at one point, and they are &nb sp;unable to make a decision and act upon it. This is "freezing". If you can get inside someone's loop, you can think and act before they do. Observe, Orient, Decide and Act. If you have run mental scenarios like this, your "decide" is already made up. You have a drop down menu that you can select from, which leads to action. All you have to do it Observe and Orient. Having run these mental exercises, it also means you can switch from Observe to Orientating easier and quicker. You only really have one problem to worry about, the gunman has 30+. IF you can reactin a way that suprises him, you stand a better chance than if you hide under a desk waiting for the bullet behind the ear. Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about charging down a shooter out in the open, where it would be better to run away. I'm not talking about leaving your relatively secure room and going to find an active shooter. I'm talking about reacting when a person is inside your classroom killing people and you are next on the list. Would you prefer to get executed like a sheep or would you prefer to face him down? It doesn't guarentee you will survive, but tif he is INSIDE YOUR CLASSROOM KILLING PEOPLE, neither does running or hiding. KBK |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:50pm
Indeed dont they teach you kids in ROTC anything besides fancy rifle drill? and how to wear ribbons? ------------- 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:58pm
| army doesn't have hatches...we have doors. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 11:00pm
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That may be true in RSA, but there are some spots around here where everybody's little brother carries a weapon in their back pocket (or purse) with little or no training, let alone regular practice. I agree that our militia types are often fairly skilled, but your average schmoe with a CCW is not necessarily so. I agree with your sad assessment of the shooting skills of rentacops and a disappointing number of actual police officers, but amazingly we have armed civilians that lower the bar. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 11:27pm
I stopped reading right there. -------------
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 11:41pm
You realize he is in the military... right? |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 11:42pm
I never went to your school, but no it wasn't. Every smoker and ever kid that snuck out to skip a period has used the pen in the door trick. The front door is never the only door. But, going back to the CCW on campus thing...I know a lot of teachers and kids that should NOT have guns. I think the best thing is what was mentioned before-gun clubs with special requirements and training beyond just having a CCW to be allowed to carry in school, with a plan if something like this did go down. But, no kid could leave a class room, because if they did, it adds to the confusion and would make matters worse. Cops wouldn't know who was the bad guy if 5 extra kids were running around with guns. Everyone would have to be in communication with everyone and know that they could not leave, but only defend the class they are in. It's crazy that we even have to think a bout this sort of stuff though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 11:56pm
True, I used to do it. But when almost every inch of the school is monitored by camera by the cops, someone sneaking out and coming back in with a long gun is sure to be seen. -------------
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 12:08am
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Question: CCW? ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 12:22am
Concealed Carry Weapon permit or something like that. Basically, a permit that encourages using guns to shoot people. (defined with a definate slant to piss people off... )
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 12:49am
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Your wounded ego = your loss. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 12:52am
| its ok ramb, he made up for it by trying to pick on the army in the regs section. ego=back to where it was |
Posted By: Cyberdemon
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 11:16am
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Even though the facebook profile is definately fake it reminded me alot of the guy who made this animation: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/195194 - http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/195194 ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 11:50am
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Did I ever say that? I said that you'd be more prepared to do something other than lock up and run, I didn't say you'd instantly turn into god and smite him with your pinky finger did I? Like I said look up southnarc, ecqc, IDF tactics, yadayadaya. People do think like that and do settle situations on a regular basis. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 3:39pm
| I think people are confusing why some of us are in opposition. It's not the idea of fighting back, it's the level of internet badassary shown and how one unarmed man can single handedly save the day. There's nothing wrong with fighting for your life, just like there is nothing wrong with running away; however, people in one-sided life threatening situations have much better input than someone with an overactive sense of imagination. |
Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 3:54pm
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What Dune said. Do you really want this guy showing up to "help" you?
------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 4:15pm
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I loled. Hard.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 4:59pm
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You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 5:38pm
Only the French think it's cool to run away. -------------
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 8:24pm
I think I made my point about e badassery |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 8:49pm
| Claiming you aren't trying to look tough doesn't counter all the other posts you've made. Throwing desks? Finishing the fight single handedly? Looking death in the face? Not being afraid to die? Say what you will, but when push comes to shove, survival instincts always kick in. I have no argument with anyone wanting to run away to live, but to say that I'd without a doubt throw a desk, without ever having been put in that situation, is way too unbelievable. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 9:02pm
I looked death in the face and wasnt afraid to die. Does that make me an interwebz tough guy. -------------
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Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 9:04pm
| Why does dying bother people? And I've explained my position on survival instincts they can be bucked. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 9:08pm
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... Wow just wow ... -------------
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Posted By: Susan Storm
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 9:09pm
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Pretty much. Poser. ------------- "No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 9:35pm
Your e-pen is so big, I think it's right behind me. |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 9:48pm
If he posts anymore, you might end up a little higher pitched. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 17 February 2008 at 11:59pm
lie; if you faced death, i'd bet you'd be dead. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 February 2008 at 1:08am
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E3DD113FF 933A05753C1A962958260
True, not single handedly, but they attacked and over powered an armed individual. And why are people talking about a fear of death? There is a God damned gunman in the room executing people. You seriously think that you are going to survive by cowering in fear? KbK |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 February 2008 at 2:26am
That's your problem, not mine. I am fully aware that Snake6 says he is in the military, it's just I've come across this sort of attitude before, hundreds of times. Military or cops are the only competent people with firearms. A civilian won't be able to respond correctly, won't be able to shoot accurately, and should just be the sheeple they are meant to be.Bravo Siera. The military are always happy to overestimate their own skill, and underestimate anyone else's. Ramb, I did quantify my statement by saying the CCW holders I know. There are definately hundreds of people out there who legally have guns, and shouldn't. Even here in the RSA where it's a little harder to get a gun. However the cops and military aren't the only guys who could handle a situation like this. I'd put money on 90% of the guys I shoot with. Especially when you consider that while soldiers may get combat training, force on force, and even real combat experience, they don't often get to do it with handguns. Like I said, the military guys I shoot with are average shots. And that's with rifles. I'm better than all of them (except one, but he's amazing) with shotguns, pistols, bolt actions and SMG's. It's only when we break out the issue R4's that they beat me, and only just. (but that is unfair, because I used a shorty R6 in the line of duty, so I have an advantage a normla civilian won't). Then you throw in the fact that the gunman isn't expecting anyone to fight back. I'm willing to bet this is the reason they are in a gun free zone in the first place. How many shootings happen in police stations and military bases? These wankers want to grab a headline, but not be held responsible for their actions. Hence the bullet to the head. Now all of a sudden one of his sheep is fighting back? How do you think that'll screw his plan up? A 100% win situaion would be the CCW's first round snaps the shooter's spine,but doesn't kill him. This way he's unable to chicken out and take his own life. Then get sent to jail for murder, asshole. While everyone here has very strong views for or against CCW, or fighting back in some way, THIS ISN'T THE PROBLEM. This might or might not solve the immediate problem of the gunman (IMHO a priority) but the root cause is 'tards who probably should be locked up in the first place, and the media frenzy something like this feeds. As sad as it is for the victims, there should be more jokes and humiliation piled on the shooter. The less positive feedback or sensational reporting they get, the less attraction to this way out there is. The media focuses on the shooter, who, where, what, why, report report report, when the focus should be on the victims. The reports should read for 3 pages on the victim, and have a small tagline at the end reading something like " Steven Kazmierczak, 27, was the chicken who did then and then couldn't face the music" end of report. And then he should be burried in an unmarked grave. KBK |
Posted By: X-51
Date Posted: 18 February 2008 at 5:38am
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While I couldn't agree more with you at this point I think it's best to let the subject matter go. As with every one of these debates that have two definate sides no one person is going to come out on top with their opinion now lodged in everyone's head. We're all too old and too set in our ways to have our thoughts on the matter swayed. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 18 February 2008 at 9:53am
I completely agree with those last parts. -------------
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Posted By: .357 Magnum
Date Posted: 18 February 2008 at 10:55am
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Didn't read the entire thread only to the bottom of page 1. I noticed his religious views on that screen shot. And if everyone rushed him you could do something. Someone is going to get shot, more than 1 person but not 20 people. ------------- 
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